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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

Debatably, stuff like Null Space, Lair of the Time Eater, Night Palace, and Cyberspace have statements that place their size at endless or countless or infinite amounts of space, which with the context of CE having infinite power could mean they’re infinite sized spaces for some of them.
 
JJSliderman said:
Debatably, stuff like Null Space, Lair of the Time Eater, Night Palace, and Cyberspace have statements that place their size at endless or countless or infinite amounts of space, which with the context of CE having infinite power could mean they’re infinite sized spaces for some of them.
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CE?
 
JJSliderman said:
Debatably, stuff like Null Space, Lair of the Time Eater, Night Palace, and Cyberspace have statements that place their size at endless or countless or infinite amounts of space, which with the context of CE having infinite power could mean they’re infinite sized spaces for some of them.
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The Lair of the Time Eater is infinite?
 
Remus1998 said:
The Lair of the Time Eater is infinite?
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yeah.
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JJSliderman said:
Debatably, stuff like Null Space, Lair of the Time Eater, Night Palace, and Cyberspace have statements that place their size at endless or countless or infinite amounts of space, which with the context of CE having infinite power could mean they’re infinite sized spaces for some of them.
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Night palace's weird part of the stage is legitimately called an astral plane, according to wikipedia, an average astral plane is "hundreds of times" larger than our universe.

I am not joking:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astral_plane

" Paramahansa Yogananda wrote in Autobiography of a Yogi, "The astral universe . . . is hundreds of times larger than the material universe . . .[with] many astral planets, teeming with astral beings." (p.416) "

Given that the place has Stars in and has metaphysical stuff... not that surprising.
 
The_Fastest_Savior said:
Night palace's weird part of the stage is legitimately called an astral plane, according to wikipedia, an average astral plane is "hundreds of times" larger than our universe.

I am not joking:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astral_plane

" Paramahansa Yogananda wrote in Autobiography of a Yogi, "The astral universe . . . is hundreds of times larger than the material universe . . .[with] many astral planets, teeming with astral beings." (p.416) "

Given that the place has Stars in and has metaphysical stuff... not that surprising.
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there is a infinite distance between night palace and the astral plane
 
I know I asked something similar recently, so I'm sorry to essentially repeat, but, what sources are there that directly state Super is invincible? (This isn't some grand VS Battles debunk or anything like that, I'm asking for my own purposes and curiosity.) I know an example was brought up from a SEGA All Stars game, but, I'm not wanting to use non-canon crossover things like that and Smash, to be honest. I'm also not wanting to use statements from gameplay that also mention the Ring time limit. It would be hypocritical for me to say "the time limit goes against in-universe function, so don't use those statements" just to then turn around and use them when they conveniently happen to benefit me. I'm also iffy on using guidebooks, since they can tread a line of describing gameplay functions, but it sounding like they're meaning lore (the infinite tunnel Time Eater thing seems like an example of this). I'm just wanting to make sure there are official sources that state Super's invincibility, because at the moment, I'm effectively dry.
 
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i have a hypotesis,what if,the time post are just a guide for sonic to travel in little planet?because aparently,sonic does not when he needs to time travel,but thanks to the time post,he knows where he needs to go
 
Just wondering, does the true Phantom Ruby have an actual mechanic that allows its power to vary? Because as far as I can tell, the sole reason for the varies rating on its profile is to account for base Sonic defeating the Death Egg Robot and Classic Sonic defeating Metal Sonic Kai/Titanic Monarch boss, even though logically the former robot should compare to Phantom King by virtue of Eggman over clocking the Ruby’s power.

Honestly maybe just axe the varies rating and keep the Ruby at a flat Low 2-C, and say the base form characters fighting it is an outlier (or maybe add consistency to base Sonic beating Perfect Chaos).
 
JJSliderman said:
Honestly maybe just axe the varies rating and keep the Ruby at a flat Low 2-C, and say the base form characters fighting it is an outlier (or maybe add consistency to base Sonic beating Perfect Chaos).
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the second would be better than trying to play dumb and say that it is the first
 
JJSliderman said:
Just wondering, does the true Phantom Ruby have an actual mechanic that allows its power to vary? Because as far as I can tell, the sole reason for the varies rating on its profile is to account for base Sonic defeating the Death Egg Robot and Classic Sonic defeating Metal Sonic Kai/Titanic Monarch boss, even though logically the former robot should compare to Phantom King by virtue of Eggman over clocking the Ruby’s power.

Honestly maybe just axe the varies rating and keep the Ruby at a flat Low 2-C, and say the base form characters fighting it is an outlier (or maybe add consistency to base Sonic beating Perfect Chaos).
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Once i make all super forms 2B/2A that will not work
 
LaserPrecision said:
He doesn't do anything to warrant the current rating besides get the shit beat out of him both times he appears in the series. It's like how we scale Super Mecha Sonic and Super Neo to Super's when we shouldn't.
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He absorbed half the power of the Chaos Emeralds and achieved a super state that fought with another super state, something Emerl could not achieve despite also absorbing the Emeralds, so he should scale to super state level stuff.

Honestly I consider it more of a support for base Sonic being strong as opposed to a nerf to Perfect.
 
JJSliderman said:
He absorbed half the power of the Chaos Emeralds and achieved a super state that fought with another super state, something Emerl could not achieve despite also absorbing the Emeralds, so he should scale to super state level stuff.

Honestly I consider it more of a support for base Sonic being strong as opposed to a nerf to Perfect.
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He didnt absorb half the power. He absorbed the negative energy, or whatever is not deemed the "true power" of the Emeralds which is what Sonic can tap into. Chaos also didnt achieve a Super state. Not a traditional one anyway. Seeing as Base Sonic can hurt him which shouldn't be possible if Super Forms are invulnerable as we treat them. It's A transformation, yeah, but not a Super one. And yes, he did right a Super state, and couldn't hurt him even a little. He was utterly demolished by a Super Sonic who was holding back as Sonic didnt want to kill Chaos or seal him back. Just free him of his anguish.

I view it as an impressive growth feat for Sonic too. But I never bought into Perfect Chaos being a Super state threat. Just far above any base character at the time.
 
LaserPrecision said:
I view it as an impressive growth feat for Sonic too. But I never bought into Perfect Chaos being a Super state threat. Just far above any base character at the time.
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then why don't simply making a argument about sonic being above perfect chaos and aka super forms from adventure and not perfect chaos being weaker than base sonic?
 
The only time it’s implied Super Sonic stomped is in X, which shouldn’t count.

Not to mention that Perfect Chaos not hurting Super Sonic is something shared by multiple super form bosses, it shouldn’t count against PC.

And Master Overlord could also be hurt despite being more powerful than Super Neo so, being hurt shouldn’t count against it’s power level.

The whole negative energy being weaker aspect is also bullshit, we see entities like Solaris or Egg Salamander (who are almost certainly relying on negative energy of the Emeralds), easily stack up to multiple super forms and have some of the highest power showings in the franchise.
 
Alexander said:
then why don't simply making a argument about sonic being above perfect chaos and aka super forms from adventure and not perfect chaos being weaker than base sonic?
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When did I argue Perfect Chais was weaker than Base when in the comment you replied to I explicitly state Perfect Chaos >>> Base Sonic
 
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