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not listed there,and sonic will probably get immeasurable speed somewhat(maybe)
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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers
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Oliver_de_jesus
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people is lazy and too lazy
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Wait you guys have Movie Sonic above Light?
I thought you didn't
I thought you didn't
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Idk, where's the calc or feat for Movie Sonic being faster than light?
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ShakeResounding
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More specifically semi non-combat applicable Attack Speed, as it takes a major wind-up.
Super Sonic scales above that tho
Super Sonic scales above that tho
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wait what?no i mean in one time he travel in time and almost make a paradox where he almost kills himself
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I know
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then why still acausality?
Dust_Collector
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still does not make sense for him
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Debatably, stuff like Null Space, Lair of the Time Eater, Night Palace, and Cyberspace have statements that place their size at endless or countless or infinite amounts of space, which with the context of CE having infinite power could mean they’re infinite sized spaces for some of them.
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ShakeResounding
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Chaos Emeralds
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The Lair of the Time Eater is infinite?
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The Sonic "Universe" is filled with other universesyeah.
What's your source for this?
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Night palace's weird part of the stage is legitimately called an astral plane, according to wikipedia, an average astral plane is "hundreds of times" larger than our universe.
I am not joking:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astral_plane
" Paramahansa Yogananda wrote in Autobiography of a Yogi, "The astral universe . . . is hundreds of times larger than the material universe . . .[with] many astral planets, teeming with astral beings." (p.416) "
Given that the place has Stars in and has metaphysical stuff... not that surprising.
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wait,what?
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there is a infinite distance between night palace and the astral plane
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I know I asked something similar recently, so I'm sorry to essentially repeat, but, what sources are there that directly state Super is invincible? (This isn't some grand VS Battles debunk or anything like that, I'm asking for my own purposes and curiosity.) I know an example was brought up from a SEGA All Stars game, but, I'm not wanting to use non-canon crossover things like that and Smash, to be honest. I'm also not wanting to use statements from gameplay that also mention the Ring time limit. It would be hypocritical for me to say "the time limit goes against in-universe function, so don't use those statements" just to then turn around and use them when they conveniently happen to benefit me. I'm also iffy on using guidebooks, since they can tread a line of describing gameplay functions, but it sounding like they're meaning lore (the infinite tunnel Time Eater thing seems like an example of this). I'm just wanting to make sure there are official sources that state Super's invincibility, because at the moment, I'm effectively dry.
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Just wondering, does the true Phantom Ruby have an actual mechanic that allows its power to vary? Because as far as I can tell, the sole reason for the varies rating on its profile is to account for base Sonic defeating the Death Egg Robot and Classic Sonic defeating Metal Sonic Kai/Titanic Monarch boss, even though logically the former robot should compare to Phantom King by virtue of Eggman over clocking the Ruby’s power.
Honestly maybe just axe the varies rating and keep the Ruby at a flat Low 2-C, and say the base form characters fighting it is an outlier (or maybe add consistency to base Sonic beating Perfect Chaos).
Honestly maybe just axe the varies rating and keep the Ruby at a flat Low 2-C, and say the base form characters fighting it is an outlier (or maybe add consistency to base Sonic beating Perfect Chaos).
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the second would be better than trying to play dumb and say that it is the first
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All this talk of Perfect Chaos reminds me that I gotta downgrade the dude.
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He doesn't do anything to warrant the current rating besides get the shit beat out of him both times he appears in the series. It's like how we scale Super Mecha Sonic and Super Neo to Super's when we shouldn't.
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He absorbed half the power of the Chaos Emeralds and achieved a super state that fought with another super state, something Emerl could not achieve despite also absorbing the Emeralds, so he should scale to super state level stuff.
Honestly I consider it more of a support for base Sonic being strong as opposed to a nerf to Perfect.
ShakeResounding
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That's the reasoning he had before he was upgraded and they deemed it not enough to keep him below a Super State. I'm personally neutral on the matter so eh
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He didnt absorb half the power. He absorbed the negative energy, or whatever is not deemed the "true power" of the Emeralds which is what Sonic can tap into. Chaos also didnt achieve a Super state. Not a traditional one anyway. Seeing as Base Sonic can hurt him which shouldn't be possible if Super Forms are invulnerable as we treat them. It's A transformation, yeah, but not a Super one. And yes, he did right a Super state, and couldn't hurt him even a little. He was utterly demolished by a Super Sonic who was holding back as Sonic didnt want to kill Chaos or seal him back. Just free him of his anguish.
I view it as an impressive growth feat for Sonic too. But I never bought into Perfect Chaos being a Super state threat. Just far above any base character at the time.
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then why don't simply making a argument about sonic being above perfect chaos and aka super forms from adventure and not perfect chaos being weaker than base sonic?
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The only time it’s implied Super Sonic stomped is in X, which shouldn’t count.
Not to mention that Perfect Chaos not hurting Super Sonic is something shared by multiple super form bosses, it shouldn’t count against PC.
And Master Overlord could also be hurt despite being more powerful than Super Neo so, being hurt shouldn’t count against it’s power level.
The whole negative energy being weaker aspect is also bullshit, we see entities like Solaris or Egg Salamander (who are almost certainly relying on negative energy of the Emeralds), easily stack up to multiple super forms and have some of the highest power showings in the franchise.
Not to mention that Perfect Chaos not hurting Super Sonic is something shared by multiple super form bosses, it shouldn’t count against PC.
And Master Overlord could also be hurt despite being more powerful than Super Neo so, being hurt shouldn’t count against it’s power level.
The whole negative energy being weaker aspect is also bullshit, we see entities like Solaris or Egg Salamander (who are almost certainly relying on negative energy of the Emeralds), easily stack up to multiple super forms and have some of the highest power showings in the franchise.
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When did I argue Perfect Chais was weaker than Base when in the comment you replied to I explicitly state Perfect Chaos >>> Base Sonic
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