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base orange can transform whenever he wants, he doesn't need any equipment or anything for it he just needs to yell

that is not an example of goku killing someone before they can show off the ability to transform

goku lives in a world where everyone and their grandmother has some sort of transformation or power-up, i don't think he will assume that orange is initially at his strongest

also correct me if i'm wrong but since goku can sense ki he can probably tell that orange is not fighting at his full potential
There are separate keys for Orange. He's only in his base key here
 
Goku would probably destroy the Kitchen Cannon and make Orange resort to his other abilities instead
 
I think Goku can destroy the Kitchen cannon removing Orange's moon level attack potency but Orange can still win via Duplication or Transmutation

But Goku can still get speed amps with his super saiyan and kaioken powers and kill Orange before he does that so I think both characters have genuine win conditions here
 
I mean, if Orange use duplication goku has no way to win sinse he need to desintegrado all of them before getting transmutated, knifed or becoming mad
 
He can desintegrate all Orange cells, until he can't regenarate anymore with a supercharged Kamehameha.

If he can do before being defeat is anyone guess now, but he would use a kamehameha in some point,
The Orange have teleportation, and duplication would also make harder to one destroy them all, not to mention size change, all that are first moves from orange
 
Orange only has around 5-C durability so I'm sure that a 5-A Goku could disintegrate him with a powerful ki blast
I mean, if Orange uses size changing or duplication It will probable need a charged one to deal with all the Orange New mass, and we are ignorig Orange normal social influence that let's him distract his oponents in the start of the fights "HEY! HEY GOKU!! HEY!"
 
His not 5-A in sayian saga.
Oh dang it I mixed up the arcs. I meant to use Namek Saga Goku. I mixed it up because I thought Saiyan Saga was the arc where he got the Super Saiyan transformation. It's Base Orange vs Namek Saga Goku
 
Wouldn't Super Citrus be too OP since he has the same duplication and transmutation and can additionally just wish Goku away?
Isn't really in character for him to use this form sinse is a one episode thing, and don't seen use this things in this form sinse he didn't used them in the time he was the super citrus, only issuing his annoying the oponent move and ki blasts, lateral using the Dragon balls to ressurect the fallen fighters(as kazus)
 
anyways orange wins either way. base orange can hax goku whereas goku can’t pass orange’s regen without charged attacks, which would give orange time to use said hax. goku does have a wincon but it leaves him open, meanwhile orange can win at any time
 
Goku still has a chance with his superior attack potency, amps with super saiyan and kaioken transformations, and his reactive power level plus combat skill so I think this match up is still fair
 
no it’s not, he uses it in a q&a the moment another character challenges him to a fight
Link? Just curious
anyways orange wins either way. base orange can hax goku whereas goku can’t pass orange’s regen without charged attacks, which would give orange time to use said hax. goku does have a wincon but it leaves him open, meanwhile orange can win at any time
It was stated above that base Orange would be desintegrated by normal ki blasts thanks to AP diference

Goku still has a chance with his superior attack potency, amps with super saiyan and kaioken transformations, and his reactive power level plus combat skill so I think this match up is still fair
Idk, orange isn't much to go to one shoot haxes from start, trigo to annoy his oponents to hell first
 


ok i just checked the key why tf are we using namek saga goku lol

that is an entire tier of ap difference, i’m pretty sure goku can literally disintegrate him by breathing lol

stomp

Interestig to know

Cloning + size changing probable can make orange survive, teleportationnd starting distracting and annoing the oponent would also help
 
cloning and size changing won’t save orange from someone an entire tier above him. goku clears out all of the clones by waving his hand in their general vicinity
Talking to him may help trough. Basically distracting goku from the fight to talk to orange, givig time for madness manipulation, transmutation or knife mid time while annoying goku. Especially sinse isn't in character for goku to atack a oponent that is tring to talk to him instead of fighting
 
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