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Magical attacks and how they are treat
So there is an issue with how magic attacks in undertale are treat, in that due to them being magical attacks representing their rl counterparts, they magic attacks should not follow same properties as they can be considered as fake cartoonish projectiles which may have been due to my arguments downgrading the verse. While this can be true to some extent, this is not entirely what I was going for.
While many magical attacks based on elements such as fire, insects etc are magical. They are presented to be such that they both look and act like their real life counterparts. As a result, it makes far more sense to say they would be closely similar, if not the same as their real life representations.
There is no reason to assume these attacks are all fake or lack the properties of their real life aspects on the sole basis that they are magical, and should only be treat as such if they are incredibly different to their rl counterparts or it is contradictory. This applies to any verse that uses magic in that magic is normally used as a way to utilise a certain element while retaining its properties in the form of an attack, such as casting your hands out and freezing or dousing someone in fire.
The main issue with vulkins lightning for instance is that it doesn't meet our cloud to ground standards for starters. As the lightning is just shot in frisks general direction which can either be downwards or upwards, and is arguably just vulkin shooting it straight forwards. But the main issue is it being nothing similar to real lightning, with the only similarity being a source which would produce lightning, with said source not being a true cloud or volcano. They function as individual half meter projectiles being shot at frisk directly, meaning it doesn't even flow or shoot similarly to real lightning. And in addition, frisk has been consistently unable to avoid base mettatons electricity, and actually gets electrocuted when they get hit by it. Then theres vulkins lightning being able to speed up, not even going a consistent speed. The lightning being the same speed as real lighting is extremely lacking and raises many inconsistencies.
In conclusion, an attack which is magical such as fire magic, lava magic, sound magic or explosion magic should not be assumed to lack the properties of its real life without good reasoning to go against said given property.
Now onto the changes
Speed upgrade
One of the more notable speed feats I see is greater dogs barking which apon inspection is completely useable. To assume the barks go at the speed of sound, you would need to assume that this is sound with magical properties which allow it to damage you and appear visible, or sound being used in the form of an attack. To assume it doesn't, you would require the assumption that the dog is firing out magical projectiles shaped as the word bark every time he barks.
From what ive seen, the former is the most logical choice. The only real contradiction to this being real sound is that it shoots out as a projectile. Which can be overrun by the fact that magic can simply allow it to form as a projectile attack, while still allowing it to retain its properties as sound magic (including its speed through the air). And before you say anything, yes, this argument would apply to vulkins lightning. But vulkins lightning has the other things listed above going against it being useable for speed and in addition, has nothing to support it being real lightning.
Greater dogs barks however directly comes from the source of something that can logically produce sound and does so with the action that creates real sound (making noise by barking) which at least gives some support for it being valid.
The projectiles being viewed as the word bark shows that the projectiles themselves are representation of the barks themselves, which is a sound. And do add on to that, the barking sound effect is silent, which is normally not the case when a dog barks as seen by other instances such as with lesser dog, we actually hear the bark (or see it in a speech bubble) meaning that the sound itself must have either be converted into something that isnt a normal soundwave, or just not exist to begin with. This along with the representation to back it up, gives a good indication that the barking sound itself is being converted into a sound magic attack due to the monsters ability. It should have similar properties and therefore have the same travel speed through the air with no contradictions.
The only way to argue otherwise is if you assume the dog, when you wake him up by moving, is simply throwing literal words saying bark at you while pretending to bark but remaining silent. Which based on everything said, is a rather unfounded assumption and requires much more speculation than going by the clear representation given to us of it being sound in attack form.
Additions to the monsters abilities
Based on this, monsters who fire attacks which qualify as a certain ability should be given said ability. Unless the attacks equating to said ability is of course contradicted or incredibly lacking.
Heat resistance
I believe the heat resistance was removed due to the hotlands not scaling to mettatons oven. Problem here is that the feat of the hotlands instantly evaporating a cup is actually around wall leve. Existing here is still a noteable heat resistance feat.
So there is an issue with how magic attacks in undertale are treat, in that due to them being magical attacks representing their rl counterparts, they magic attacks should not follow same properties as they can be considered as fake cartoonish projectiles which may have been due to my arguments downgrading the verse. While this can be true to some extent, this is not entirely what I was going for.
While many magical attacks based on elements such as fire, insects etc are magical. They are presented to be such that they both look and act like their real life counterparts. As a result, it makes far more sense to say they would be closely similar, if not the same as their real life representations.
There is no reason to assume these attacks are all fake or lack the properties of their real life aspects on the sole basis that they are magical, and should only be treat as such if they are incredibly different to their rl counterparts or it is contradictory. This applies to any verse that uses magic in that magic is normally used as a way to utilise a certain element while retaining its properties in the form of an attack, such as casting your hands out and freezing or dousing someone in fire.
The main issue with vulkins lightning for instance is that it doesn't meet our cloud to ground standards for starters. As the lightning is just shot in frisks general direction which can either be downwards or upwards, and is arguably just vulkin shooting it straight forwards. But the main issue is it being nothing similar to real lightning, with the only similarity being a source which would produce lightning, with said source not being a true cloud or volcano. They function as individual half meter projectiles being shot at frisk directly, meaning it doesn't even flow or shoot similarly to real lightning. And in addition, frisk has been consistently unable to avoid base mettatons electricity, and actually gets electrocuted when they get hit by it. Then theres vulkins lightning being able to speed up, not even going a consistent speed. The lightning being the same speed as real lighting is extremely lacking and raises many inconsistencies.
In conclusion, an attack which is magical such as fire magic, lava magic, sound magic or explosion magic should not be assumed to lack the properties of its real life without good reasoning to go against said given property.
Now onto the changes
Speed upgrade
One of the more notable speed feats I see is greater dogs barking which apon inspection is completely useable. To assume the barks go at the speed of sound, you would need to assume that this is sound with magical properties which allow it to damage you and appear visible, or sound being used in the form of an attack. To assume it doesn't, you would require the assumption that the dog is firing out magical projectiles shaped as the word bark every time he barks.
From what ive seen, the former is the most logical choice. The only real contradiction to this being real sound is that it shoots out as a projectile. Which can be overrun by the fact that magic can simply allow it to form as a projectile attack, while still allowing it to retain its properties as sound magic (including its speed through the air). And before you say anything, yes, this argument would apply to vulkins lightning. But vulkins lightning has the other things listed above going against it being useable for speed and in addition, has nothing to support it being real lightning.
Greater dogs barks however directly comes from the source of something that can logically produce sound and does so with the action that creates real sound (making noise by barking) which at least gives some support for it being valid.
The projectiles being viewed as the word bark shows that the projectiles themselves are representation of the barks themselves, which is a sound. And do add on to that, the barking sound effect is silent, which is normally not the case when a dog barks as seen by other instances such as with lesser dog, we actually hear the bark (or see it in a speech bubble) meaning that the sound itself must have either be converted into something that isnt a normal soundwave, or just not exist to begin with. This along with the representation to back it up, gives a good indication that the barking sound itself is being converted into a sound magic attack due to the monsters ability. It should have similar properties and therefore have the same travel speed through the air with no contradictions.
The only way to argue otherwise is if you assume the dog, when you wake him up by moving, is simply throwing literal words saying bark at you while pretending to bark but remaining silent. Which based on everything said, is a rather unfounded assumption and requires much more speculation than going by the clear representation given to us of it being sound in attack form.
Additions to the monsters abilities
Based on this, monsters who fire attacks which qualify as a certain ability should be given said ability. Unless the attacks equating to said ability is of course contradicted or incredibly lacking.
Heat resistance
I believe the heat resistance was removed due to the hotlands not scaling to mettatons oven. Problem here is that the feat of the hotlands instantly evaporating a cup is actually around wall leve. Existing here is still a noteable heat resistance feat.
