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Some Quick Fate/Stay Night and Fate/Apocrypha Rider Feats
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Still, I think that Rider's shield should be around Small Country - Small Continent levels. Dura-wise. As for AP... I don't know...
Still, Beowulf... One of the greatest heroes who pre-dated Arthur! Even in simple brawl he should win Li Shuwen. Skill alone can let you pass so far...Alakabamm said:
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I think everyone should know that Gilgamesh is not stongest servant anymore. There are few servants those who has power equal or superior to Him such as Scathach, Ozymandias, Solomon etc.
Scathach and Ozy surpass Gill feat wise and Solomon sure stomps Gil.
Scathach and Ozy surpass Gill feat wise and Solomon sure stomps Gil.
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Gil still the most versatile versus Servants.PhantasmalGreatsword said:
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Basically in terms of power levels, Gilgamesh = Enkidu > Everyone else (except for compatibility issues). Gil can hard counter almost everyone with GoB due to NP spam which are super effective against the Servant he's facing. Even if that and Enkidu to bind them doesn't work, he still has Ea to screw them over. Enkidu can match GoB with his clay manipulation and such, and has Enuma Elish to overpower the other Servants and match Ea.
Below them comes the high tiers like Karna, Arjuna, Scathach, Herakles, Achilles, Ozymandias, Seiba and such (mainly the older HS), who have their own powerful NPs, stats and skills, and could possibly one-shot or kill Gil/Enkidu if given the opportunity. Then come the mid tiers like Diarmuid and such and are rounded up by the most Modern HS like Edison, Tesla, EMIYA, who aren't on par with everyone else, but can do some damage if they can set it up.
Regarding F/Grand Order, there are translations of several events, including all of the story so far, Servant profiles and such on BL and other sites.
Below them comes the high tiers like Karna, Arjuna, Scathach, Herakles, Achilles, Ozymandias, Seiba and such (mainly the older HS), who have their own powerful NPs, stats and skills, and could possibly one-shot or kill Gil/Enkidu if given the opportunity. Then come the mid tiers like Diarmuid and such and are rounded up by the most Modern HS like Edison, Tesla, EMIYA, who aren't on par with everyone else, but can do some damage if they can set it up.
Regarding F/Grand Order, there are translations of several events, including all of the story so far, Servant profiles and such on BL and other sites.
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Gil still the most versatile versus Servants.
I know. But servants I mentioned are not regular servant. They somewhat has power equal or superior to Divine Siprits. And ozymandias contains every egyptian god within his body and Paraoh's history is said to be older than Origin of Heroic spirits(Gilgamesh). And he has ability to seal opponent's Noble phantasm and his strongest attack surpass enuma elish(F/SN, F/Z version sure).
No to mention about solomon who is equal to Amaterasu.
I know. But servants I mentioned are not regular servant. They somewhat has power equal or superior to Divine Siprits. And ozymandias contains every egyptian god within his body and Paraoh's history is said to be older than Origin of Heroic spirits(Gilgamesh). And he has ability to seal opponent's Noble phantasm and his strongest attack surpass enuma elish(F/SN, F/Z version sure).
No to mention about solomon who is equal to Amaterasu.
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Pretty much. Tamamo stated herself if she were her complete form, she would be on par with Solomon.Alakabamm said:
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That's due to Solomon being summoned as Grand Caster, which is a class that summons the entire HS, not just parts of it. A similar comparison would be Origin Form Gilgamesh. Solomon does also have auto-ressurection, summoned himself from the Throne of Heroes and nuked the past, present and future of humanity and the Earth, so everything outside of some events and Chaldea is a burning husk.
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This is why Gil is no longer strongest. Orginally, Holy grail only could summon heroic spirits so no one can match with Gil. But now as even Divine spirit itself can be summoned as Servant, Gil can't be as strongest.RegisNex1232 said:
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Hm... You forgot that Tamamo additionaly stated that she is only facet of Amaterasu and can only channel some of her power in full form.PhantasmalGreatsword said:
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He still has the abilities like GoB, Ea and Enkidu to hard counter even Divine Spirits. Of course not at his current level, but at his Origin Form/possible Grand Archer form, he certainly can.PhantasmalGreatsword said:
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I thought she meant her nine-tailed form rather than Amaterasu (it is stated that even if she regains all of her power, she won't become Amaterasu again since the latter is a seperate being).
It was my mistake then.
It was my mistake then.
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Power level should looks something like this:
Amaterasu >> (Types > Servants)
Amaterasu >> (Types > Servants)
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He still has the abilities like GoB, Ea and Enkidu to hard counter even Divine Spirits. Of course not at his current level, but at his Origin Form/possible Grand Archer form, he certainly can.
Of course. But at his current form, he can be defeated by Divine level servants such as Lancer Scathach or Rider Ozymandias.
Of course. But at his current form, he can be defeated by Divine level servants such as Lancer Scathach or Rider Ozymandias.
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Well, thanks to Nasu WoG/wanking of his favourite characters, Gil is officially the strongest Servant and possibly the strongest HS. This is only if all Servants at base or all HS are compared. Comparing Grand Servants to Servant Gil is unfair since he is limited by his container and can't fully manifest at his absolute strongest. And that is all I have to say about that, the rest should go to another thread.
Regarding the upgrades, should Achilles be put at Country level or Small Planet level with Kosmos?
Regarding the upgrades, should Achilles be put at Country level or Small Planet level with Kosmos?
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Only if he fools around like he did with Shirou, considering their threat level, he won't and they'll only have a small chance of beating him while he can just bind them and NP spam them until they die.PhantasmalGreatsword said:
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Solomon says **** that, I'll just keep resurrecting my self and nuke you with AAS.KamiYasha said:
Anyways, what do you think about Achilles' proposed upgrade or my suggestion?
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It's still almost Curbstomp battle. ATE variant can use two rules on the Moon: divide enemy powers and abilities by factor six, buff herself as much as possible... And still little chances to win.KamiYasha said:
ATE is the most powerful being of Gaia.
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I think you mean Archers, according to the triangles it's Saber>Lancer>Archer>back to Saber, Riders are in the Cavalry class with Casters and Assassins.Alakabamm said:
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Only if he fools around like he did with Shirou, considering their threat level, he won't and they'll only have a small chance of beating him while he can just bind them and NP spam them until they die.
Don't know about Scathach, but Ozy can be defeated if Gil go serious at the beggining but after Paraoh's Noble Phantasm Activated which require short time Gil's all noble phantasms except for ea would be seald. Abd ea can't be matched with Dendera's light bulb, which is Rider's strongest attack.
Well, we should stop this as this thread is irrelevant.
Don't know about Scathach, but Ozy can be defeated if Gil go serious at the beggining but after Paraoh's Noble Phantasm Activated which require short time Gil's all noble phantasms except for ea would be seald. Abd ea can't be matched with Dendera's light bulb, which is Rider's strongest attack.
Well, we should stop this as this thread is irrelevant.
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KamiYasha said:
I think Achilles should be At least Country, likely Continent, at most Small Planet.
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So is everyone ok with KamiYasha's suggestion for Kosmos?
At least Country level, possibly Small Planet level?
At least Country level, possibly Small Planet level?
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Or with Yamotohime's more specific one?
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