Some Mario Speed Revisions

[Maverick_Zero_X]

And there are still reactions to attacks with Massively FTL+ attack speed.

What attacks?

I’d also like a source for Lumas doing U-Turns while flying MFTL

 

[Foxthefox1000]

Mario can grab Peach while flying on a Grand Star. Grand Stars and Power Stars do indeed curve and allow Mario to spin around them. Unless we're assuming it wasn't traveling at MFTL+ speeds for this one instance because reasons. And Peach definitely wasn't falling at MFTL+ speed so relative motion can't be used.

 

[Foxthefox1000]

Also doesn't Mario perform a series of flips and stunts when landing on the planets after being launched from the Launch Stars in which his flight paths steer clear of planets and obstacles in the way? Or the fact Magikoopas can reflect star bits which travel at similar speeds to Mario during flight? I think I heard Rosalina can too?

We have a clear FTL feat in Galaxy 2 where the vortex you fight Bowser in clearly is pulling in light anyways plus some laser dodges.

There's also potential light reactions in Luigi's Mansion 3 and various stuff from Mario Party as well.

 

[Seol404]

Lumas consistently are capable of performing fancy U-turns while maintaining great speed. And there are still reactions to attacks with Massively FTL+ attack speed.

When do they do this at full speed?

 

[AKM sama]

Some videos about the feats would be nice. Would make things a lot clearer to evaluate. And calc, if it can be. Or linked if it's needed to.

 

[Foxthefox1000]

I think the Star Bit thing is definitely worthwhile. Regardless of if it's an outlier for Magikoopas (who have had nothing but scaling at this point anyways) Mario and others would still obviously scale above it.

Rosalina's Observatory is also likely controlled by her mind and it can make sharp turns and stuff as well.

If people claim the Launch Stars have predetermined flight paths, then I just wanna ask: Was it ever stated? No? It's just headcanon? Launch Stars only show the flight path after they've already been used, which I don't think can really be counted because you leave that trail behind. So what exactly shows Mario's isn't controlling his movement? His flight paths aren't straight lines. The animation for sending Mario to a galaxy even shows Mario going towards the right, then suddenly steers toward the left a bit and then arcs forwars to fly past the camera. I feel like predetermined paths would want to have the shortest flight distance as well, but some levels have him circling objects before landing somewhere else.

Also, we also have to consider the Red Star power-up, which gives Mario the ability to fly with the power of the Lumas. It's specifically Red Lumas but they all should have similar speeds to each other among the Lumas.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I think the Star Bit thing is definitely worthwhile. Regardless of if it's an outlier for Magikoopas (who have had nothing but scaling at this point anyways) Mario and others would still obviously scale above it.

Rosalina's Observatory is also likely controlled by her mind and it can make sharp turns and stuff as well.

If people claim the Launch Stars have predetermined flight paths, then I just wanna ask: Was it ever stated? No? It's just headcanon? Launch Stars only show the flight path after they've already been used, which I don't think can really be counted because you leave that trail behind. So what exactly shows Mario's isn't controlling his movement? His flight paths aren't straight lines. The animation for sending Mario to a galaxy even shows Mario going towards the right, then suddenly steers toward the left a bit and then arcs forwars to fly past the camera. I feel like predetermined paths would want to have the shortest flight distance as well, but some levels have him circling objects before landing somewhere else.

Also, we also have to consider the Red Star power-up, which gives Mario the ability to fly with the power of the Lumas. It's specifically Red Lumas but they all should have similar speeds to each other among the Lumas.

Some videos about the feats would be nice. Would make things a lot clearer to evaluate. And calc, if it can be. Or linked if it's needed to.

^^^^^^^^^^

 

[Foxthefox1000]

In Tennis you can send a ball through a Launch Star at a Luma.

Also in Tennis, the Lumas can shoot one of their own through multiple Launch Stars in order to cause a powerful hit to a tennis ball.

Unless for some reason we're gonna assume Launch Stars don't have a consistent speed.

 

[Foxthefox1000]

I'll try and get the other stuff but the Star Bit one will be hard unless I make a gif myself

 

[Foxthefox1000]

Here is the animation for him flying to a Galaxy

Later on in that timestamp we see him circling a star's surface and landing on some thing farther away when there were platforms below.

 

[Foxthefox1000]

This Launch Star show Mario making a sudden dive towars the back of the dreadnought

My ******* god stop sending when I insert links. I heavily apologize for clutter

 

[Foxthefox1000]

Here we see Mario get launched from a Launch Star and he can go directly through another Launch Star.

Here again we can see Mario can react to it mid-flight.

Later on in that last link he smashes a Comet thing and we see the Star Bits travel in tandem with him.

Magikoopas deflecting/blocking/reacting to Star bits

Comet Observatory making fast direction swaps in the ending of Galaxy 2. You can even see the path it traveled is angled and not even curved.

Almost forgot the scan for the Red Star giving Mario the power of the red lumas

There's probbaly tons more stuff I could point out, but yeah

 

[DragonLord]

Here we see Mario get launched from a Launch Star and he can go directly through another Launch Star.

….if Mario can control the Launch Star path why does he need another Launch Star to go to a different path

 

[AKM sama]

Thanks for providing all the videos. I'll check them out.

 

[RethPo]

Should this be bumped?

 

[Antvasima]

Should this be bumped?

@AKM sama

Should we still focus on this revision, or is it better to start a new thread instead?

 

[AKM sama]

Sorry about forgetting this thread.

In Tennis you can send a ball through a Launch Star at a Luma.

Also in Tennis, the Lumas can shoot one of their own through multiple Launch Stars in order to cause a powerful hit to a tennis ball.

I'm not sure what to make of these. Are these games of tennis seriously meant for scaling in stories?
I'm gonna assume these launch stars are different because they are not meant for space travel of long distances, but only to play a fun game of tennis. But assuming they are not, according to the first video, Mario doesn't scale to the speed of it. He is just aiming the ball through it for the Luma. And the second one results in KO, so it also probably doesn't scale.

Here is the animation for him flying to a Galaxy

This one is fine for travel speed. But it won't scale to reactions. All he's doing is a flip as the landing approaches which doesn't require sudden reactions as you can see the landing from far away and be prepared for it.
There are more launch star feats, but I don't think any of them have any sudden unplanned reactions which will make the reaction scaling justifiable.

Magikoopas deflecting/blocking/reacting to Star bits

What is the speed of star bits?

Comet Observatory making fast direction swaps in the ending of Galaxy 2. You can even see the path it traveled is angled and not even curved.

This is a perspective issue. It went straight for a long time right in front of our POV so even if it deviates slowly to change it's direction, it would appear to us as if it was taking a sharp turn. For example, even if it deviated 50km to the left, there is no way for us to tell whether it also moved 10km forwards in that time, or maybe even 100km.

 

[Antvasima]

@Foxthefox1000

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

These revisions have not yet been applied?

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Bump?