Some Jojo Part 5 CRTs.

[Cloozuma]

1. Giorno's dura must be Small Building Level, Possibly Building Level. While he was ****** up by Green Day, he survived, so he might have a fraction of Green Day's AP.

2. Speaking of Green Day, it must be Small Building Level cause it wasn't even as strong as GE.

3. Gio and Bruno's intelligence must be Gifted, due to them being able to overthrow a organization for nearly a week (8 days, yes this is the time that Giorno appeared to how we got the ******* strongest CANON stand in JoJo, not including TWOH and JJ). But I can speak for Giorno for Genius due to the Man in the Mirror incident that he made plans that not even Fugo can analyze, the latter being a Genius. On the other hand, Bruno outsmarted Prosciutto, so it's DEFINITELY Gifted.

Agreed on all: Chariot190, Mozzada, Ican'tthinkof1goodname, HowManyMemes, BlackDarkness679, SomebodyData (Staff)

Disagree on the Durability: Eficiente

 

[Cloozuma]

Bump

 

[Thelastmlg]

1. You don't get lower tiers like that, you either scale or you don't, if giorno survived direct attacks without ger blocking or anything, he downscales to the stand AP.

2. Either scale or not, if there is no stand to compare green day to, just place him at unknown or find some physical feat.

3. Agree on gifted, but genius is more strict.

 

[Eficiente]

Please don't add nonsensical tags.

Gifted can work and even genius for Giorno himself, but a proper wording with evidence linked to it needs to be proposed. Without it nothing should be added.

 

[Ican'tthinkof1goodname]

1. Giorno's dura must be Small Building Level, Possibly Building Level. While he was ****** up by Green Day, he survived, so he might have a fraction of Green Day's AP.

This seems okay

2. Speaking of Green Day, it must be Small Building Level cause it wasn't even as strong as GE.

That's not getting lower tiers work exactly. Green Day seems to have damaged Gold Experience so Building level still. I have yet to read/watch Part 5 so I can't fully confirm the scaling.

3. Gio and Bruno's intelligence must be Gifted, due to them being able to overthrow a organization for nearly a week (8 days, yes this is the time that Giorno appeared to how we got the ******* strongest CANON stand in JoJo, not including TWOH and JJ). But I can speak for Giorno for Genius due to the Man in the Mirror incident that he made plans that not even Fugo can analyze, the latter being a Genius. On the other hand, Bruno outsmarted Prosciutto, so it's DEFINITELY Gifted.

I agree

 

[Cloozuma]

1. You don't get lower tiers like that, you either scale or you don't, if giorno survived direct attacks without ger blocking or anything, he downscales to the stand AP.

2. Either scale or not, if there is no stand to compare green day to, just place him at unknown or find some physical feat.

3. Agree on gifted, but genius is more strict.

1. He did survive. I'm gonna send you the picture.

2. I was gonna say that he doesn't really scale to GE, but I created more confusion.

3. Giorno formulated a plan that not even Fugo, a Genius, could think of.

 

[Cloozuma]

Fyi I talked to Chariot about this.

 

[Chariot190]

I obviously agree full stop with Gifted Giorno/Bruno, they have excellent tactical skills, are able to strategize on the fly, can out think experienced and skilled mobsters and figure out ways to defeat unique opponents they have little to zero experience with, can utilize their abilities to great extents in a multitude of ways to help them in any given situation.
Not only that but Giorno in particular has a advanced grasp on biology, flora and the like, which he uses in full to make the best use of his ability.

But that's without even getting into the fact Giorno, in just one week, managed to overthrow the largest criminal organization in the country, and then goes on to quite literally run it with him as the head of it. At the age of 15. Giorno is also sly and cunning, he's adept at tricking people, manipulating them and fooling them into doing what he wants. Hell it's how he made a living for awhile, but he's done so in fights as well to get an upper hand, see him baiting Ciocolatta and stalling time while lying through his teeth.
Bruno must be given credit as well, as he made his way up to capo, which would have include a bunch of trafficking, protection, gambling and casino management, given it was specified that's what he was given, not withstanding he was Polpo's go to man for a good reason.

Point is, simply based on their ingenuity in a fight I'd say they're gifted, but coupled with actual backing in other categories? They're definitely warranted that. Only thing they may lack is booksmarts, but given Giorno/Bruno's surprise knowing of various information, especially animals and biology with Giorno, that may not inherently be the case.

Also him getting one over on Fugo, who has a genius level IQ, is just another thing to toss onto the pile I suppose.

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Now, for the durability? I did mention this last night but there's a issue here, that we need to figure out first.
And that's Green Day's AP scaling.

It's more along the lines of, it's hard to tell if he (Green Day) even scales to GE begin with. I mentioned that there is a single interaction between GE and GD, with GD attacking Giorno but GE blocks the pummel, but they get sent flying, that's literally it, being sent flying doesn't inherently mean GD scales to him, see Saitama and Kabuto for an example.

But There's some blood though when he gets sent flying after being pummeled, which is where the issue is, IF, that blood is from GE being attacked by GD, then GD scales to GE, straightforward.

But if that blood is from something else, like the chest wound he got (In the anime the blood is explicitly from the previous wound, in the manga it's impossible to tell), then we don't have enough evidence to say GD scales to GE given a full pummel didn't actually break the guard from what we can tell so it ain't like he actually overpowered GE and if he didn't hurt him either? Then his bets feat is launching a dude which is like 9-C, maybe 9-B lowend.

Basically, in order for Green Day to scale to GE, we need to say that the blood that was sprayed when Giorno got launched by him, is from being GE being damaged from GD, and it's hard to tell if that's the case in the manga, it COULD be what happened, but it also could just be blood from previous wounds like in the anime.

If anyone has an input on this, it'd be appreciated.
Personally, I'd just say Possibly (low end) Building level for Green Day due to the ambiguity of the scene, hence the possibly, and then rate Giorno's durability as At least Street level (Feat here), possibly Small Building level (Survived attacks from Green Day, albeit with heavy damage), possibly higher (could be removed if that's redundant or unsafe).

Small Building opposed to Building level due to the fact that, those Green Day attacks ****** him, badly, he wasn't punched clean through or torn apart or made into swiss so he clearly had some decent durability, at least enough to save him from complete death, but it's also true that Green Day is drastically above what Giorno can comfortably tank. Ergo, we take whatever Green Day is, and just heavily backscales Giorno off it, Green Day is lower end 8-C if we scale him to GE (he's probably a bit less even then due to failing to break the guard even with numerous attacks) so a fraction of low end 8-C would just be 9-A.
Hence, if GD is possibly lower end building, then Giorno would be possibly small building.

Or something like that, just my thoughts on that, I'm open to opinions though in regards to the durability backscale, as well as if GD even scales to building off GE to begin with.


Here's the relevant scans and video.
GD vs GE in the anime.
Manga.

And yes, that's literally it for GE vs GD. There is one other feat for Green Day but it's off panel against Sex Pistols, who we do rate as Building level in durability, but they're gonna be tweaked eventually, at least to an extent so it's better off we don't bring them into this yet.

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tldr, do we even say GD is 8-C or not? If he is, Giorno can backscale off him to like 9-A, maybe higher. Or something along those lines.

 

[Cloozuma]

Bump, ******* bump

 

[Rikimarox2]

Shouldn't Giorno and Bruno get genius intelligence instead of Gifted? It honestly seems to fit more considering all the outright insane shit they have done.

 

[Cloozuma]

Shouldn't Giorno and Bruno get genius intelligence instead of Gifted? It honestly seems to fit more considering all the outright insane shit they have done.

Well it depends, but I take Gio here. He's way smarter than Bruno seemingly from the age gap and the fight that happened between them.

 

[Chariot190]

Shouldn't Giorno and Bruno get genius intelligence instead of Gifted? It honestly seems to fit more considering all the outright insane shit they have done.

Wouldnt put it past Giorno, but Bruno doesnt fit the wiki's definition of it even if he's probably actually genius intellect in some categories irl.

 

[manu_zarri]

Disagree with the AP Downgrade. Agree with the Gifted for Giorno and Bucciarati FRA

 

[Chariot190]

Disagree with the AP Downgrade.

You have to actually explain why.

Let me reiterate, why do you think Green Day should scale to GE in the first place? Same goes for if or anyone thinks he shouldn't, we need actual explanations here for this topic to figure out what the end result is.

 

[Cloozuma]

Agree with the Gifted for Giorno and Bucciarati FRA

How bout Genius for Giorno and Gifted for Bucciarati?

 

[manu_zarri]

How bout Genius for Giorno and Gifted for Bucciarati?

seems fair enough

You have to actually explain why.

Let me reiterate, why do you think Green Day should scale to GE in the first place? Same goes for if or anyone thinks he shouldn't, we need actual explanations here for this topic to figure out what the end result is.

I writed FRA because i agree with other messages... I mean, Giorno actually survived to wars attacks. but can be a canon issue tho

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Can you link the evidence for all these 3 points you brought up from the start of this

 

[RippleW]

agree with building level durability because he survived the attack but took damaged meaning he must be so what comparable to buidling level durability to survive that attack

 

[Eficiente]

Green Day should scale as possibly or likely, albeit wasn't the cast weakened by GD's ability?

Giorno should not scale as he took the attack very much damaged, could have gotten perforated by King Crimson and was damaged by SF while the latter wasn't trying.

Nothing intelligence wise will be added without a proper wording with evidence linked proposed, once that's done it will likely be wanked and will needs fixes, and then we will be able to add that. I'm gonna already say that overthrowing that organization in 1 week is very much misleading to what really happened, with is him and his group beating up 8 foes or so as they came more or less 1 by 1. The best intelligence feats happened within that time but those need to be elaborated.

 

[Chariot190]

I writed FRA because i agree with other messages... I mean, Giorno actually survived to wars attacks. but can be a canon issue tho

That's the thing tho, the only thing talked about with GD is if he even scales to begin with, the only FRA possible here is a "well idk".

Green Day should scale as possibly or likely, albeit wasn't the cast weakened by GD's ability?

At the time, Giorno wasn't, he was in top health when he took the attacks, he only began being effected after getting launched. A few of the other characters were heavily weakened though like Narancia who was out of commission.

Giorno should not scale as he took the attack very much damaged, could have gotten perforated by King Crimson and was damaged by SF while the latter wasn't trying.

I mean, if you're gonna say GD scales, even if possibly (which is fair imo, takes into account the ambiguity), then Giorno should backsscale to GD, the issue is just how much? Given it did **** him real bad so he's very obviously not on par with it's AP durability wise, or even somewhat close, he's way below it. But being ****** up is better then outright dying or getting ripped apart. So there's at least some semblance of durability helping out here, at least a tad, how much is the issue though? Given GD is kinda lowend 8-C, assuming the possibility, I doubt that Giorno backscaling is still within that tier, it's probably some degree of 9-A honestly.
And King Crimson ripping people apart isn't the best argument given he can rip apart actual 8-C's like Silver Chariot casually. SF is a better example though so I'll give you that.

once that's done it will likely be wanked and will needs fixes,

Or, people will just take what the profile says and stick with that, why is your first assumption people will wank it? Intelligence no less? Like he ain't Batman, intelligence is barely a thing Ive seen talked about here if at all.
But a description does need to be written, you have a rough outline of how you'd like to see it worded? Or what feats you'd like to see linked?

 

[Thebannanaworkshop]

eh.

didnt the scene implie that Giorno was being pressured and was barely staying on before being flinged backwards? that should be enough evidence.

 

[Chariot190]

eh.

didnt the scene implie that Giorno was being pressured and was barely staying on before being flinged backwards? that should be enough evidence.

He was being pressured but it taking like a hundred punches to send him backwards and without even doing any noticeable damage to GE despite GE having blocked all of those attacks makes GD look quite a bit weak comparatively.
Unless the blood shown in question from being launched is from GE, though, in the anime, we get a clear shot of the blood emerging from his chest wound so that's questionable.
Possibly is probably best due to the ambiguity. Though in turn that means whatever Giorno does backscale to is a possibly as well, given he's getting that off a possibly AP.

 

[Thebannanaworkshop]

eh? that seems like a weird reason.

since the same thing comparatively happened with stone free and whitesnake...pucci was being pressured the same way and couldnt take much more of it. and according to her page she's comparable to whitesnake because of those types of feats...and whitesnake like GE here didnt take any noticible damage

but im sorta new here so there might be something im missing

 

[Chariot190]

since the same thing comparatively happened with stone free and whitesnake...pucci was being pressured the same way and couldnt take much more of it. and according to her page she's comparable to whitesnake because of those types of feats...and whitesnake like GE here didnt take any noticible damage

That's going to change so not really the best thing to use as an example. She's not gonna be downgraded per say, at least not down to a new tier (still 8-C) but, that scaling is gonna get tossed (I mean, Whitesnake can literally rip her limbs off, he's very clearly above a base stone free and is said to be as much anyway).

eh? that seems like a weird reason.

I mean, if you got punched a hundred times and none of those punches did any damage to you, and the only thing that happened was you got launched, there's definitely some discrepancy there. If you need a good example of someone getting tossed around by someone who doesn't scale, here's one.

I'm not saying GD doesn't scale to GD, but it's vague and it could go both ways, possibly is probably the best way to go about it there rather then flat out.

 

[Thebannanaworkshop]

That's going to change so not really the best thing to use as an example. She's not gonna be downgraded per say, at least not down to a new tier (still 8-C) but, that scaling is gonna get tossed (I mean, Whitesnake can literally rip her limbs off, he's very clearly above a base stone free and is said to be as much anyway).



I mean, if you got punched a hundred times and none of those punches did any damage to you, and the only thing that happened was you got launched, there's definitely some discrepancy there. If you need a good example of someone getting tossed around by someone who doesn't scale, here's one.

I'm not saying GD doesn't scale to GD, but it's vague and it could go both ways, possibly is probably the best way to go about it there rather then flat out.

oh really? i didnt know she was getting downgraded....if i knew that i wouldnt have wrote that.

i guess that makes sense.

 

[Chariot190]

oh really? i didnt know she was getting downgraded....if i knew that i wouldnt have wrote that.

Not downgraded, just the scaling is gonna be changed, she should be 8-C still.
(whitesnake though is probably gonna get higher on the scaling list though, he'll have a solid number behind his AP and durability).

 

[Thebannanaworkshop]

Not downgraded, just the scaling is gonna be changed, she should be 8-C still.
(whitesnake though is probably gonna get higher on the scaling list though, he'll have a solid number behind his AP and durability).

oh nice.
(oh...shit welp there goes my sandman vs pucci idea now i have find a character that has good dura)

 

[Cloozuma]

Can you link the evidence for all these 3 points you brought up from the start of this

Check Chariot's reply.

 

[Cloozuma]

Bump.

 

[Cloozuma]

Green Day should scale as possibly or likely, albeit wasn't the cast weakened by GD's ability?

Giorno should not scale as he took the attack very much damaged, could have gotten perforated by King Crimson and was damaged by SF while the latter wasn't trying.

Nothing intelligence wise will be added without a proper wording with evidence linked proposed, once that's done it will likely be wanked and will needs fixes, and then we will be able to add that. I'm gonna already say that overthrowing that organization in 1 week is very much misleading to what really happened, with is him and his group beating up 8 foes or so as they came more or less 1 by 1. The best intelligence feats happened within that time but those need to be elaborated.

1. Okay.

2. Giorno survived, keyword SURVIVED, unlike Bucciarati who was ripped like butter.

3. Giorno and Bruno overtaking Passione by 1 week is literally enough for Gifted. It's even supported with Giorno formulating a plan that shocked Fugo, a Genius, and Bucciarati outsmarting Prosciutto. Check Chariot's answer, it's full of evidence.

 

[Thebannanaworkshop]

(Welp onto go write a revision for gappy)

 

[Another_Council]

Can you link the evidence for all these 3 points you brought up from the start of this

This is evidence for Giorno's intelligence.

https://********.org/chapter/4290/16

https://********.org/chapter/24250/13

On the next page, Golden Experience moves and hits Cioccolata, and on the next it tears off his skin. This is evidence for Green Day not having the same Dura and AP as GE.

https://********.org/chapter/24252/13

Another showing of GE overpowering Green Day.

https://********.org/chapter/24251/3

From here and the rest of this chapter, that part of the mold continues to stick to Giorno.

https://********.org/chapter/24251/14

If you want to consider this, there is a few pages of Giorno surviving a bunch of mold being created on his body before it clears.

 

[Cloozuma]

Bump, ******* bump.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

This is evidence for Giorno's intelligence.

https://********.org/chapter/4290/16

https://********.org/chapter/24250/13

On the next page, Golden Experience moves and hits Cioccolata, and on the next it tears off his skin. This is evidence for Green Day not having the same Dura and AP as GE.

https://********.org/chapter/24252/13

Another showing of GE overpowering Green Day.

https://********.org/chapter/24251/3

From here and the rest of this chapter, that part of the mold continues to stick to Giorno.

https://********.org/chapter/24251/14

If you want to consider this, there is a few pages of Giorno surviving a bunch of mold being created on his body before it clears.

How much of a rating in intelligence you give to somebody able to predict something will happen?

Also only showing of GE > GD in AP and dura is the 7 page muda where we see it appear with his user, the ones with the surprise attack are more like blitz related

Also in the 2nd last link, GD rushes GE and tries to defend, but fails and gets launched

Imo GD could be likely GE tier or scales a little bit down from him

 

[Cloozuma]

How much of a rating in intelligence you give to somebody able to predict something will happen?

Also only showing of GE > GD in AP and dura is the 7 page muda where we see it appear with his user, the ones with the surprise attack are more like blitz related

Also in the 2nd last link, GD rushes GE and tries to defend, but fails and gets launched

Imo GD could be likely GE tier or scales a little bit down from him

1. From the scan, I can see that Gio was able to predict something not even Fugo, who is a Genius even in fights, can, so imo Genius for Giorno. Plus points for age gap.
2-4. Ok, and I'll notify Chariot about this because the downgrade isn't actually the main topic, it's about Giorno's durability for those links.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

As far as i saw GD didnt hit only Giorno from these instances, just his user most of the time

 

[Cloozuma]

As far as i saw GD didnt hit only Giorno from these instances, just his user most of the time

So what can you agree on GD's AP? I'll be using that to measure Gio's Dura.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

I mean that GD never itself hit Giorno, its user did as far as i saw, GD hit just GE and the dmg transfers to Giorno from that

 

[DeathstroketheHedgehog]

1. From the scan, I can see that Gio was able to predict something not even Fugo, who is a Genius even in fights, can, so imo Genius for Giorno.

Intelligence doesn't scale like that.

 

[Cloozuma]

Intelligence doesn't scale like that.

I really need more evidence tbh. I'ma ask Chariot bout this.