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I'm not going to make a Content Revision Thread on the topic yet, but I wanted to get some opinions on some things I want to propose for revisions. Recently, I've been watching both the Avatar and Korra series. It seems the profiles are somewhat outdated and some ideas of abilities have been thrown around without ever gaining any real traction. Well, while I'm not super into the wiki and all, I still do want to help with the profiles if I can. Anyway, here are some of my ideas.
I have a plan to split some of the characters into different keys for seasons as well as what we do for some Anime characters.
Additions to All of the Avatars:
I'm going to just talk about these two together considering a lot of what I want to propose just goes hand-in-hand for Avatar State stuff. One thing I want to note as well is that some of the abilities I propose for Aang when it comes to innate abilities, should apply over to Korra as well, but only through the Avatar State as that's where she has full access to those abilities.
Firstly, I think Light Manipulation should be something we add to all profiles of the Avatar. The Avatar State has them glowing with their eyes and other parts of their bodies with light. It's also something that should stem from Raava, who is literally the spirit, light embodiment herself. Of course, Raava needs Light Manipulation added to her profile as well. I have no idea why that wasn't something already there.
While we're at it, shouldn't all of the Avatars have 6-A Environmental Destruction in their Avatar States as well? It's something we note Raava should scale to already, but we don't have it on the Avatar profiles for some reason. Avatar State Korra and the others should scale to it if we're counting it for Dark Avatar Unalaq. The whole point of the Avatar State as well is that it's combining the energies of whoever is the Avatar and Raava into one (same thing with the Dark Avatar), so they should have the complete access to do something like that.
Also, I believe that all of the Avatars should get some sort of Reality Warping in the Spirit World. Iroh states that Korra's emotions were altering the Spirit World. Her emotions were able to generate a thunderstorm and made people start fighting with one another when she was upset. She undid all of this when she was positive afterward. There was another time that when Korra had entered the Spirit World with Zaheer to free Jinora and the other people being incased in the vines, Raava corrected Korra by saying that was where they were at their greatest power because of the spiritual energy they can manipulate and shape. I'm pretty sure this would apply to all of the other Avatars too considering this stems majorly from the connection to Raava. They could also get a note of “higher in the Spirit World” going by Raava’s dialogue.
Something so blatantly not listed on the profiles is that they have Immortality Type 4. Pretty self-explanatory as whenever an Avatar dies, they are reborn as a new individual. That's how we even have the "Avatar cycle".
All of the Avatars should likely have Magma Manipulation too. There is an Avatar named Szeto that was capable of manipulating the magma within volcanoes. Kyoshi's island feat also involves her rising up magma as well. The Avatar State is explicitly stated to combine the knowledge and skills of their past lives. I guess Korra would technically lose this though considering Unalaq destroyed the connection to her past lives when he killed Raava originally, though. She could probably just have a note of it being a former ability of hers though. This would at least apply to Yangchen, Kuruk, Kyoshi, Roku, Aang, and Korra.
All of the Avatars should get Sealing in the Avatar State as well. If all of the Avatars have the skills and knowledge of past Avatars, then they most definitely scale to the fact that Wan sealed Vaatu in the Tree of Time for ten thousand years. There is also a distinct point where Wan decided to seal the portals between the Spirit World and the Material World to stop travel as well. Sealing is pretty backed up.
All of the Avatars + Unalaq should have Energy Absorption added to their profiles as well (I think this can just be base in general honestly). Korra, Wan, and Unalaq all have demonstrated that they could absorb energy from the spirit portals during Harmonic Convergence to make their fusions with Raava or Vaatu permanent.
I'm not sure if this would give a tiering increase, but there was a thread that brought up how Avatar Kuruk managed to completely sink an island with the Avatar State. At worst, I think it would be good additional reasoning that could be added for their Attack Potency.
There are two threads that explain pretty well on why the Avatars (and likely most of the verse in general) should get Non-Physical Interaction for interacting with spirits. I agree with this, so I will just like them here as it's somewhat redundant to explain something already well-explained.
Korra and Unalaq should have Purification, and the other Avatars, along with Raava, should have it as well. Korra and Unalaq are self-explanatory considering the whole "Spiritbending" thing they do with the water purges the corruption influence on spirits. As for Raava and the others, I'm pretty sure she has freed dark spirits from Vaatu's influence in the past. It's also the fact that with Vaatu and Raava being opposites... If Vaatu just naturally has Corruption, it would only make sense that Raava has Purification for their dynamic in turn. This applies to the Avatar State considering that's the form using Raava's power, to begin with.
This one is just for Aang and Korra. Energybending should be more than just Energy Manipulation. It qualifies as Power Nullification considering it can take away bending (as Aang did to Yakone and Ozai). It also should likely be some sort of Power Bestowal because Aang used it to give Korra her bending back, and Korra used Energybending to give Lin her bending back. The Lion Turtles used Energybending to give different types of Bending, to begin with.
The Avatar State should likely give Soul Manipulation as well. It should have similar capabilities to Unalaq's Dark Avatar State, which was able to rip Raava from Korra's spirit. Additionally, Aang seems to do Energybending at the spiritual level from the Lion Turtle's dialogue.
All of the Avatars should get Summoning too. They are able to summon their past lives for guidance and to act in place of them. This is pretty self-explanatory.
The Avatar State should also give the Statistics Amplification considering it boosts the Avatar physically and their usage of the elements.
Kyoshi:
Kyoshi's page honestly is really horrible. It's just a copy and paste from Aang's page, in which multiple abilities are obviously wrong such as Metalbending (Metalbending didn't even exist until Toph did it).
As for what needs to be removed...
- Metalbending: It didn't even exist when she was around because it came during Aang's time. Even if Korra was able to learn it, Avatar State Kyoshi wouldn't have it regardless because Korra is a later Avatar.
- Lightning Redirection: It's the same problem with Metalbending as Iroh invented it during Aang's time. It doesn't apply to Kyoshi.
- Energybending: This is something that Aang and Korra knew. There are absolutely no implications that any of the past Avatars were capable of it.
I guess one cool thing Kyoshi could have added is that she technically could gain Immortality because she knows the secret to it.
She also has access to Glass Manipulation too.
Roku:
Roku's page has the exact same problem as Kyoshi's. The same abilities need to be removed from his page as Kyoshi's.
Aang:
I'm pretty sure Aang should have Metalbending removed from his profile as well. While I am for upgrades, I don't support having wrongful information on the profiles. I don't think it's ever implied at any point that Aang learned Metalbending from Toph. That seems more like a headcanon if anything.
I think the "Divine Union" on Aang's profile could probably just be changed to Fusionism or something of the sort if it's what I'm thinking it is. On the topic though, I do think Aang should get a new key when he's merged with La. As to what this key would be called, it would probably be "Koi-Zilla" or "Merged with the Ocean Spirit". Koi-Zilla isn't just a fan name as the Avatar Wiki says the creators coined the name (going by the Avatar Extras), but the latter option sounds more professional in my opinion. Anyway, I feel this form should be given the tiering "At least 7-C, likely High 6-A". The "At least 7-C" would represent the fact it's more powerful than Aang's Kid Avatar State considering the fusion. The "High 6-A" is probably is what is confusing you all. I would say it's plausible for a few reasons. Firstly, when Zhao killed the Moon Spirit, the moon itself was actually affected as it was vanquished. This would seem to imply that despite giving up their spiritual forms, the fish still do have control over what they represent. La represents the oceans, of course. Secondly, the Avatar Extras pretty much imply this too.
Examples from the Extras:
- "This spirit monster is literally the wrath of the ocean in physical form."
- "This indicates the combining of the Spirit of the Avatar with the Spirit of the Ocean."
- "Aang combined powers with the Ocean Spirit to become an all powerful water monster."
- "The koi fish spirit monster is made entirely of light and water."
I don't think there are many other abilities granted by this key other than Large Size (Type 2; Is this big), Enhanced Water Manipulation, and Elemental Intangibility because the Avatar Extras label it as being made entirely of light and water. Either way, the form should definitely exist on the profile in some form. If the tiering is a hard pill to swallow, just remember that literally, nobody scales to the form at all. It was powerful enough to where the Waterbenders just stopped fighting altogether and started praying to it too.
Similarly, Aang needs a Sozin's Comet key. Ozai's profile notes that he's able to match Aang's Firebending during Sozin's Comet with a calc linked on the profile, yet it's not even on Aang's own profile. The comet should enhance his Firebending too, so it's a different key that should have him as being High 8-C with the other elements and 8-B with Firebending. Additionally, he would have a key for Enhanced Fire Manipulation and Empowerment with his previous abilities.
He should get Type 4 Underwater Breathing as he can create a pocket of air to breathe in.
He should gain Extrasensory Perception as he can see spirits when others could not.
Aang should have Weather Manipulation added considering he can form clouds through Airbending.
Aang should also have a note on how he can summon Appa and other animals through his whistle aside from just his past lives through Raava.
Korra:
Korra needs to lose her Seismic Sense as well. Not exactly lose it, but it's something she should only be able to use in her Avatar State (even then, it would just be a former ability like the Magma Manipulation as well). Aang learned it from Toph, so it's fine to keep around for those reasons. Korra's profile should be divided hax-wise for her Avatar State regardless. Seismic Sense should just be listed as Enhanced Senses. I'm assuming her "Seismic Sense" came from Korra being able to sense where people were. However, I'm pretty sure that just came from spiritual energy rather than physical presence. It could be some sort of Limited Clairvoyance we could add instead maybe?
Something I think we should make a permanent note of is that Korra needs to have a "Former Abilities" key in her Avatar State. Some of the abilities she will gain from these additions are rendered somewhat moot in the Avatar State Post-Vatuu Fight. I think she could likely retain a Resistance to Blood Manipulation but that's it.
Korra could probably gain a Limited Resistance to Poison Manipulation too. Yes, I am aware she ultimately succumbed to its effects, but she was able to fight off its effects for a prolonged period of time (some of that time she was even focused on fending off Zaheer too). Zaheer made some remarks about how it was impressive she held off the effects when she visited him in prison.
She should also gain Type 4 Underwater Breathing. The reasoning for this stems from how she used her Waterbending to formulate an air pocket around her and Mako to reach Air Temple Island.
Zuko:
He should get Weapon Creation because he can make flame daggers from his Firebending energy to match Azula's.
Also, he would get Flight because he can use fire jets to propel himself in the air with Earth King Kuei in the comics.
Azula:
Her page is fine, though I think she should have Social Influencing added. She has multiple instances of this, but the one that comes to mind is she pretty much got the Dai Li on her side without much difficulty despite their treacherous loyalty to Long Feng. One of the Agents even remarks just how scarily charismatic she was as well.
She should also get Acrobatics for the fact she was able to do multiple flips and parkour off of the environment to avoid Team Avatar's attacks. Aang even notes she's even more agile than him because of this.
It should also be noted that Azula learned how to do Lightning Redirection going by the events of Smoke and Shadow.
She should get Weapon Creation because she can make flame daggers from her Firebending energy to match Zuko's.
Asami:
Yes, even a Non-Bender appears in a list about Bender upgrades. She's missing some stuff on her profile that's notable.
Firstly, she should have Vehicular Mastery for fairly obvious reasons. She pretty much helped spearhead and test many cars, planes, etc. for her company. This led to her developing pretty good motor skills because of this.
She should gain Electricity Manipulation through the usage of the Equalist Glove.
Considering she has her own tech company, she has a lot of things from it. This would allow her to have Preparation for a more readied arsenal. A full list of the stuff she produces notably is listed here. She could get Flight through her planes, Natural Weaponry through the Mecha Tank's naturally sharp claws, Fire Manipulation through their flamethrowers, and Magnetism Manipulation through their magnets. She could also get a High 8-C rating for prep because the Mecha Tanks were meant to fight off Benders.
Also, for some reason, the profile fails to list Genius Intelligence despite her Intelligence being listed as such.
Mako:
Not much for him other than Flight via the fact he can use fire jets.
Oh, he also has Lightning Redirection too.
Azula, Ozai, Aang, Iroh, Zuko, Jeong Jeong, etc.:
This is specifically for some Firebenders, but they should all get a different key for Sozin's Comet to note Empowerment and Enhanced Fire Manipulation like Aang's profile will.
Iroh, Azula, Ozai, Mako, etc.:
This goes for Lightningbenders specifically. They could possibly get Durability Negation considering Azula used her lightning precisely enough to one-shot Aang in the Avatar State.
Iroh, Zuko, Aang, Mako, and Azula:
They should all be able to get a Limited Absorption considering how Lightning Redirection works. Basically, you absorb the lightning into your body, then you expel it elsewhere. It would be limited as it's only for electricity-based attacks.
Vaatu and Raava:
I'm pretty sure they should have Mid-Godly rather than Low-Godly. Going by the definition of Low-Godly, "The ability to regenerate from the complete physical destruction of the user's body, instead restoring it from their disembodied consciousness, whether that be their soul, mind, some other nonphysical aspect of themself, esoteric or metaphysical energy, or something else." This doesn't really fit their case. Vaatu and Raava are already purely spiritual entities, not physical. So whenever one of them is destroyed, they're being destroyed on a spiritual level. It's much more akin to Mid-Godly's description, which is, "The ability to regenerate even after the complete destruction of the body and soul/mind.". So yeah, Mid-Godly Vaatu and Raava instead.
Considering they are literal spirits, they should have Non-Corporeality too.
Firebenders (Universally Applicable):
I'm pretty sure that they should just have Heat Manipulation in general. Zuko has shown that he can apply his Firebending to heat himself up after swimming in freezing water and heating up the environment around him. There are instances for this with other characters too.
They should be able to get Explosion Manipulation too because they can pretty much cause explosions through Firebending. This really becomes more exemplified through Combustionbenders that have the greatest proficiency of this but obviously not every Firebender is a Combustionbender. Nonetheless, they should still get this.
All Firebenders should be able to gain a Resistance to extreme heats. Firebending staff and such aren't really bothered by the fact they are on a volcanic island in the middle of a boiling lake at the Boiling Rock.
They should get Barrier Creation/Forcefield Creation as they can create walls of flames to protect themselves from attacks.
Firebending also has a particularly cool usage that allows it to have Clairvoyance. In Korra, there was a salesman who used Firebending to show that the reason why Korra had suffered from memory loss was that she was attacked by a dark spirit. Firebending can be used to read and interpret chis, in general.
Waterbenders (Universally Applicable):
I'm not sure why this is the case, but Waterbender pages seem to be missing Ice Manipulation from them. This seems pretty self-explanatory considering how many times Waterbenders actively turn their water into ice and use said ice for attacks (they can also levitate it and such). Even fodder soldiers of the Southern and Northern Water Tribes were able to do it in Korra from what I remember. One of the Nickelodeon Flash sites about the Avatar Universe seems to suggest this as well (screenshot since Flash will be going dead in December 2020).
They should all get Empowerment considering their abilities are amplified to their peak during a full moon.
They should get Type 4 Underwater Breathing. From what I can remember, Katara used her Waterbending to form a pocket of air by making sure the water around the group wouldn't come crashing down. There is also another instance of this where Korra formed one around her and Mako so that they could reach Air Temple Island.
Pretty much all of them should gain Resistance to cold temperatures. The very climate that the Northern and Southern Water Tribes live in are some of the coldest places on the planet (the North and South poles respectively).
Waterbenders should all be able to get Steam Manipulation as there are many instances of this throughout the series. For example, Katara was able to use her Waterbending to generate fog. She also did it to surround two ships.
Waterbenders should also gain Resistance to Ice Manipulation as while Azula was completely frozen in the ice Katara froze Azula and herself in, she was able to exhale and use her Waterbending to move freely in the ice.
Waterbenders should get Plant Manipulation as Hama has shown they can control plants through the water in them.
Like the Airbenders, the Waterbenders are able to make clouds through Waterbending. This would give them Weather Manipulation too.
Airbenders (Universally Applicable):
This one is pretty minor, but Airbenders should get resistance to cold temperatures. Tenzin stated that Airbenders are able to easily regulate their temperatures in order to not feel cold in cold climates.
They like should get Type 4 Underwater Breathing through Aang's usage of making air pockets underwater. This is something other Airbenders have shown to replicate on land, so they should be fine to have it for the water as well.
*Another one of the features that Airbenders have in abundance is Astral Projection and Dimensional Travel (the Spirit World is a different dimension entirely). Aside from just Aang, others such as Jinora and Zaheer have shown their capabilities of doing it as well. This is largely stemming from the fact that the Air Nation tends to have more spiritual ties than the other nations.
This is pretty simple, but all Airbenders are capable of Flight. It's not exactly unassisted (unless you're Guru Laghima or Zaheer), but they can do so with air scooters, a staff, or the wingsuits made by Asami.
They should likely get Extrasensory Perception given their more innate spiritual connection, along with how Aang has it.
They should all get Sound Manipulation considering Airbenders can create soundwaves through their Airbending.
One of the extensions of Airbending is Weather Manipulation as Aang has shown when he formed clouds around him.
Pretty self-explanatory because there are many instances throughout the series where Airbenders create shields of air for Forcefield Creation.
Very similar to Earthbenders, Airbenders also have Enhanced Senses. They are able to feel the air currents shift in the air and anticipate things because of this. This is most proficient for those with balded heads as Daw was able to sense a net coming and evaded it.
Earthbenders (Universally Applicable):
Earthbenders are capable of using Magnetism Manipulation as the Dai Li Agents used it to magnetize themselves to a wall.
Sand Manipulation is another extension of Earthbending as seen with the Sandbenders (Korra did it with ease so it should be pretty easy to replicate).
Vibration Manipulation is another notable extension considering how pretty much any Earthbender can use it to create localized fissures/earthquakes.
All Benders:
Literally, all Benders should just have outright Chi Manipulation. In order to manipulate the elements in the first place, you have to focus your chi, to begin with.
Legend of Korra Cast Scaling:
Some of the scaling for Season 1 and 2 characters is all over the place weirdly. Korra, Bolin, and Mako are all scaled to Building+/8-C for no reason while villains like Unalaq and Amon have straight-up High 8-C ratings. The reason for Building+ is just that Mako can use lightning, which isn't a good reason honestly. I don't see why they aren't just flat out High 8-C in Seasons 1 and 2 as well. If we're comparing the rest of the cast to Korra, Korra has shown to hurt both Amon and Unalaq in combat. Unalaq scaling to High 8-C isn't really wrong either if he's comparable to other Red Lotus members. The Red Lotus members were capable of taking on Tenzin, Zuko, and Tonraq, so they already have pretty clear scaling to High 8-C. Amon is fine to stay at High 8-C as well considering he's stronger than Yakone. Korra's basically mastered all of the elements aside from air at the start of Season 1 as well. There's not much "improvement" bending-wise that can really happen from there, so I think it's fine to just put all of them at High 8-C.
Special Thanks:
I took some of the ideas from a thread Zephryos made and one that Kukui made. That's where some of the stuff comes from, so I do want to give credit where credit is due.
We can move the proposals to a CRT after some thoughts are given on the topics.
I have a plan to split some of the characters into different keys for seasons as well as what we do for some Anime characters.
Additions to All of the Avatars:
I'm going to just talk about these two together considering a lot of what I want to propose just goes hand-in-hand for Avatar State stuff. One thing I want to note as well is that some of the abilities I propose for Aang when it comes to innate abilities, should apply over to Korra as well, but only through the Avatar State as that's where she has full access to those abilities.
Firstly, I think Light Manipulation should be something we add to all profiles of the Avatar. The Avatar State has them glowing with their eyes and other parts of their bodies with light. It's also something that should stem from Raava, who is literally the spirit, light embodiment herself. Of course, Raava needs Light Manipulation added to her profile as well. I have no idea why that wasn't something already there.
While we're at it, shouldn't all of the Avatars have 6-A Environmental Destruction in their Avatar States as well? It's something we note Raava should scale to already, but we don't have it on the Avatar profiles for some reason. Avatar State Korra and the others should scale to it if we're counting it for Dark Avatar Unalaq. The whole point of the Avatar State as well is that it's combining the energies of whoever is the Avatar and Raava into one (same thing with the Dark Avatar), so they should have the complete access to do something like that.
Also, I believe that all of the Avatars should get some sort of Reality Warping in the Spirit World. Iroh states that Korra's emotions were altering the Spirit World. Her emotions were able to generate a thunderstorm and made people start fighting with one another when she was upset. She undid all of this when she was positive afterward. There was another time that when Korra had entered the Spirit World with Zaheer to free Jinora and the other people being incased in the vines, Raava corrected Korra by saying that was where they were at their greatest power because of the spiritual energy they can manipulate and shape. I'm pretty sure this would apply to all of the other Avatars too considering this stems majorly from the connection to Raava. They could also get a note of “higher in the Spirit World” going by Raava’s dialogue.
Something so blatantly not listed on the profiles is that they have Immortality Type 4. Pretty self-explanatory as whenever an Avatar dies, they are reborn as a new individual. That's how we even have the "Avatar cycle".
All of the Avatars should likely have Magma Manipulation too. There is an Avatar named Szeto that was capable of manipulating the magma within volcanoes. Kyoshi's island feat also involves her rising up magma as well. The Avatar State is explicitly stated to combine the knowledge and skills of their past lives. I guess Korra would technically lose this though considering Unalaq destroyed the connection to her past lives when he killed Raava originally, though. She could probably just have a note of it being a former ability of hers though. This would at least apply to Yangchen, Kuruk, Kyoshi, Roku, Aang, and Korra.
All of the Avatars should get Sealing in the Avatar State as well. If all of the Avatars have the skills and knowledge of past Avatars, then they most definitely scale to the fact that Wan sealed Vaatu in the Tree of Time for ten thousand years. There is also a distinct point where Wan decided to seal the portals between the Spirit World and the Material World to stop travel as well. Sealing is pretty backed up.
All of the Avatars + Unalaq should have Energy Absorption added to their profiles as well (I think this can just be base in general honestly). Korra, Wan, and Unalaq all have demonstrated that they could absorb energy from the spirit portals during Harmonic Convergence to make their fusions with Raava or Vaatu permanent.
I'm not sure if this would give a tiering increase, but there was a thread that brought up how Avatar Kuruk managed to completely sink an island with the Avatar State. At worst, I think it would be good additional reasoning that could be added for their Attack Potency.
There are two threads that explain pretty well on why the Avatars (and likely most of the verse in general) should get Non-Physical Interaction for interacting with spirits. I agree with this, so I will just like them here as it's somewhat redundant to explain something already well-explained.
Korra and Unalaq should have Purification, and the other Avatars, along with Raava, should have it as well. Korra and Unalaq are self-explanatory considering the whole "Spiritbending" thing they do with the water purges the corruption influence on spirits. As for Raava and the others, I'm pretty sure she has freed dark spirits from Vaatu's influence in the past. It's also the fact that with Vaatu and Raava being opposites... If Vaatu just naturally has Corruption, it would only make sense that Raava has Purification for their dynamic in turn. This applies to the Avatar State considering that's the form using Raava's power, to begin with.
This one is just for Aang and Korra. Energybending should be more than just Energy Manipulation. It qualifies as Power Nullification considering it can take away bending (as Aang did to Yakone and Ozai). It also should likely be some sort of Power Bestowal because Aang used it to give Korra her bending back, and Korra used Energybending to give Lin her bending back. The Lion Turtles used Energybending to give different types of Bending, to begin with.
The Avatar State should likely give Soul Manipulation as well. It should have similar capabilities to Unalaq's Dark Avatar State, which was able to rip Raava from Korra's spirit. Additionally, Aang seems to do Energybending at the spiritual level from the Lion Turtle's dialogue.
All of the Avatars should get Summoning too. They are able to summon their past lives for guidance and to act in place of them. This is pretty self-explanatory.
The Avatar State should also give the Statistics Amplification considering it boosts the Avatar physically and their usage of the elements.
Kyoshi:
Kyoshi's page honestly is really horrible. It's just a copy and paste from Aang's page, in which multiple abilities are obviously wrong such as Metalbending (Metalbending didn't even exist until Toph did it).
As for what needs to be removed...
- Metalbending: It didn't even exist when she was around because it came during Aang's time. Even if Korra was able to learn it, Avatar State Kyoshi wouldn't have it regardless because Korra is a later Avatar.
- Lightning Redirection: It's the same problem with Metalbending as Iroh invented it during Aang's time. It doesn't apply to Kyoshi.
- Energybending: This is something that Aang and Korra knew. There are absolutely no implications that any of the past Avatars were capable of it.
I guess one cool thing Kyoshi could have added is that she technically could gain Immortality because she knows the secret to it.
She also has access to Glass Manipulation too.
Roku:
Roku's page has the exact same problem as Kyoshi's. The same abilities need to be removed from his page as Kyoshi's.
Aang:
I'm pretty sure Aang should have Metalbending removed from his profile as well. While I am for upgrades, I don't support having wrongful information on the profiles. I don't think it's ever implied at any point that Aang learned Metalbending from Toph. That seems more like a headcanon if anything.
I think the "Divine Union" on Aang's profile could probably just be changed to Fusionism or something of the sort if it's what I'm thinking it is. On the topic though, I do think Aang should get a new key when he's merged with La. As to what this key would be called, it would probably be "Koi-Zilla" or "Merged with the Ocean Spirit". Koi-Zilla isn't just a fan name as the Avatar Wiki says the creators coined the name (going by the Avatar Extras), but the latter option sounds more professional in my opinion. Anyway, I feel this form should be given the tiering "At least 7-C, likely High 6-A". The "At least 7-C" would represent the fact it's more powerful than Aang's Kid Avatar State considering the fusion. The "High 6-A" is probably is what is confusing you all. I would say it's plausible for a few reasons. Firstly, when Zhao killed the Moon Spirit, the moon itself was actually affected as it was vanquished. This would seem to imply that despite giving up their spiritual forms, the fish still do have control over what they represent. La represents the oceans, of course. Secondly, the Avatar Extras pretty much imply this too.
Examples from the Extras:
- "This spirit monster is literally the wrath of the ocean in physical form."
- "This indicates the combining of the Spirit of the Avatar with the Spirit of the Ocean."
- "Aang combined powers with the Ocean Spirit to become an all powerful water monster."
- "The koi fish spirit monster is made entirely of light and water."
I don't think there are many other abilities granted by this key other than Large Size (Type 2; Is this big), Enhanced Water Manipulation, and Elemental Intangibility because the Avatar Extras label it as being made entirely of light and water. Either way, the form should definitely exist on the profile in some form. If the tiering is a hard pill to swallow, just remember that literally, nobody scales to the form at all. It was powerful enough to where the Waterbenders just stopped fighting altogether and started praying to it too.
Similarly, Aang needs a Sozin's Comet key. Ozai's profile notes that he's able to match Aang's Firebending during Sozin's Comet with a calc linked on the profile, yet it's not even on Aang's own profile. The comet should enhance his Firebending too, so it's a different key that should have him as being High 8-C with the other elements and 8-B with Firebending. Additionally, he would have a key for Enhanced Fire Manipulation and Empowerment with his previous abilities.
He should get Type 4 Underwater Breathing as he can create a pocket of air to breathe in.
He should gain Extrasensory Perception as he can see spirits when others could not.
Aang should have Weather Manipulation added considering he can form clouds through Airbending.
Aang should also have a note on how he can summon Appa and other animals through his whistle aside from just his past lives through Raava.
Korra:
Korra needs to lose her Seismic Sense as well. Not exactly lose it, but it's something she should only be able to use in her Avatar State (even then, it would just be a former ability like the Magma Manipulation as well). Aang learned it from Toph, so it's fine to keep around for those reasons. Korra's profile should be divided hax-wise for her Avatar State regardless. Seismic Sense should just be listed as Enhanced Senses. I'm assuming her "Seismic Sense" came from Korra being able to sense where people were. However, I'm pretty sure that just came from spiritual energy rather than physical presence. It could be some sort of Limited Clairvoyance we could add instead maybe?
Something I think we should make a permanent note of is that Korra needs to have a "Former Abilities" key in her Avatar State. Some of the abilities she will gain from these additions are rendered somewhat moot in the Avatar State Post-Vatuu Fight. I think she could likely retain a Resistance to Blood Manipulation but that's it.
Korra could probably gain a Limited Resistance to Poison Manipulation too. Yes, I am aware she ultimately succumbed to its effects, but she was able to fight off its effects for a prolonged period of time (some of that time she was even focused on fending off Zaheer too). Zaheer made some remarks about how it was impressive she held off the effects when she visited him in prison.
She should also gain Type 4 Underwater Breathing. The reasoning for this stems from how she used her Waterbending to formulate an air pocket around her and Mako to reach Air Temple Island.
Zuko:
He should get Weapon Creation because he can make flame daggers from his Firebending energy to match Azula's.
Also, he would get Flight because he can use fire jets to propel himself in the air with Earth King Kuei in the comics.
Azula:
Her page is fine, though I think she should have Social Influencing added. She has multiple instances of this, but the one that comes to mind is she pretty much got the Dai Li on her side without much difficulty despite their treacherous loyalty to Long Feng. One of the Agents even remarks just how scarily charismatic she was as well.
She should also get Acrobatics for the fact she was able to do multiple flips and parkour off of the environment to avoid Team Avatar's attacks. Aang even notes she's even more agile than him because of this.
It should also be noted that Azula learned how to do Lightning Redirection going by the events of Smoke and Shadow.
She should get Weapon Creation because she can make flame daggers from her Firebending energy to match Zuko's.
Asami:
Yes, even a Non-Bender appears in a list about Bender upgrades. She's missing some stuff on her profile that's notable.
Firstly, she should have Vehicular Mastery for fairly obvious reasons. She pretty much helped spearhead and test many cars, planes, etc. for her company. This led to her developing pretty good motor skills because of this.
She should gain Electricity Manipulation through the usage of the Equalist Glove.
Considering she has her own tech company, she has a lot of things from it. This would allow her to have Preparation for a more readied arsenal. A full list of the stuff she produces notably is listed here. She could get Flight through her planes, Natural Weaponry through the Mecha Tank's naturally sharp claws, Fire Manipulation through their flamethrowers, and Magnetism Manipulation through their magnets. She could also get a High 8-C rating for prep because the Mecha Tanks were meant to fight off Benders.
Also, for some reason, the profile fails to list Genius Intelligence despite her Intelligence being listed as such.
Mako:
Not much for him other than Flight via the fact he can use fire jets.
Oh, he also has Lightning Redirection too.
Azula, Ozai, Aang, Iroh, Zuko, Jeong Jeong, etc.:
This is specifically for some Firebenders, but they should all get a different key for Sozin's Comet to note Empowerment and Enhanced Fire Manipulation like Aang's profile will.
Iroh, Azula, Ozai, Mako, etc.:
This goes for Lightningbenders specifically. They could possibly get Durability Negation considering Azula used her lightning precisely enough to one-shot Aang in the Avatar State.
Iroh, Zuko, Aang, Mako, and Azula:
They should all be able to get a Limited Absorption considering how Lightning Redirection works. Basically, you absorb the lightning into your body, then you expel it elsewhere. It would be limited as it's only for electricity-based attacks.
Vaatu and Raava:
I'm pretty sure they should have Mid-Godly rather than Low-Godly. Going by the definition of Low-Godly, "The ability to regenerate from the complete physical destruction of the user's body, instead restoring it from their disembodied consciousness, whether that be their soul, mind, some other nonphysical aspect of themself, esoteric or metaphysical energy, or something else." This doesn't really fit their case. Vaatu and Raava are already purely spiritual entities, not physical. So whenever one of them is destroyed, they're being destroyed on a spiritual level. It's much more akin to Mid-Godly's description, which is, "The ability to regenerate even after the complete destruction of the body and soul/mind.". So yeah, Mid-Godly Vaatu and Raava instead.
Considering they are literal spirits, they should have Non-Corporeality too.
Firebenders (Universally Applicable):
I'm pretty sure that they should just have Heat Manipulation in general. Zuko has shown that he can apply his Firebending to heat himself up after swimming in freezing water and heating up the environment around him. There are instances for this with other characters too.
They should be able to get Explosion Manipulation too because they can pretty much cause explosions through Firebending. This really becomes more exemplified through Combustionbenders that have the greatest proficiency of this but obviously not every Firebender is a Combustionbender. Nonetheless, they should still get this.
All Firebenders should be able to gain a Resistance to extreme heats. Firebending staff and such aren't really bothered by the fact they are on a volcanic island in the middle of a boiling lake at the Boiling Rock.
They should get Barrier Creation/Forcefield Creation as they can create walls of flames to protect themselves from attacks.
Firebending also has a particularly cool usage that allows it to have Clairvoyance. In Korra, there was a salesman who used Firebending to show that the reason why Korra had suffered from memory loss was that she was attacked by a dark spirit. Firebending can be used to read and interpret chis, in general.
Waterbenders (Universally Applicable):
I'm not sure why this is the case, but Waterbender pages seem to be missing Ice Manipulation from them. This seems pretty self-explanatory considering how many times Waterbenders actively turn their water into ice and use said ice for attacks (they can also levitate it and such). Even fodder soldiers of the Southern and Northern Water Tribes were able to do it in Korra from what I remember. One of the Nickelodeon Flash sites about the Avatar Universe seems to suggest this as well (screenshot since Flash will be going dead in December 2020).
They should all get Empowerment considering their abilities are amplified to their peak during a full moon.
They should get Type 4 Underwater Breathing. From what I can remember, Katara used her Waterbending to form a pocket of air by making sure the water around the group wouldn't come crashing down. There is also another instance of this where Korra formed one around her and Mako so that they could reach Air Temple Island.
Pretty much all of them should gain Resistance to cold temperatures. The very climate that the Northern and Southern Water Tribes live in are some of the coldest places on the planet (the North and South poles respectively).
Waterbenders should all be able to get Steam Manipulation as there are many instances of this throughout the series. For example, Katara was able to use her Waterbending to generate fog. She also did it to surround two ships.
Waterbenders should also gain Resistance to Ice Manipulation as while Azula was completely frozen in the ice Katara froze Azula and herself in, she was able to exhale and use her Waterbending to move freely in the ice.
Waterbenders should get Plant Manipulation as Hama has shown they can control plants through the water in them.
Like the Airbenders, the Waterbenders are able to make clouds through Waterbending. This would give them Weather Manipulation too.
Airbenders (Universally Applicable):
This one is pretty minor, but Airbenders should get resistance to cold temperatures. Tenzin stated that Airbenders are able to easily regulate their temperatures in order to not feel cold in cold climates.
They like should get Type 4 Underwater Breathing through Aang's usage of making air pockets underwater. This is something other Airbenders have shown to replicate on land, so they should be fine to have it for the water as well.
*Another one of the features that Airbenders have in abundance is Astral Projection and Dimensional Travel (the Spirit World is a different dimension entirely). Aside from just Aang, others such as Jinora and Zaheer have shown their capabilities of doing it as well. This is largely stemming from the fact that the Air Nation tends to have more spiritual ties than the other nations.
This is pretty simple, but all Airbenders are capable of Flight. It's not exactly unassisted (unless you're Guru Laghima or Zaheer), but they can do so with air scooters, a staff, or the wingsuits made by Asami.
They should likely get Extrasensory Perception given their more innate spiritual connection, along with how Aang has it.
They should all get Sound Manipulation considering Airbenders can create soundwaves through their Airbending.
One of the extensions of Airbending is Weather Manipulation as Aang has shown when he formed clouds around him.
Pretty self-explanatory because there are many instances throughout the series where Airbenders create shields of air for Forcefield Creation.
Very similar to Earthbenders, Airbenders also have Enhanced Senses. They are able to feel the air currents shift in the air and anticipate things because of this. This is most proficient for those with balded heads as Daw was able to sense a net coming and evaded it.
Earthbenders (Universally Applicable):
Earthbenders are capable of using Magnetism Manipulation as the Dai Li Agents used it to magnetize themselves to a wall.
Sand Manipulation is another extension of Earthbending as seen with the Sandbenders (Korra did it with ease so it should be pretty easy to replicate).
Vibration Manipulation is another notable extension considering how pretty much any Earthbender can use it to create localized fissures/earthquakes.
All Benders:
Literally, all Benders should just have outright Chi Manipulation. In order to manipulate the elements in the first place, you have to focus your chi, to begin with.
Legend of Korra Cast Scaling:
Some of the scaling for Season 1 and 2 characters is all over the place weirdly. Korra, Bolin, and Mako are all scaled to Building+/8-C for no reason while villains like Unalaq and Amon have straight-up High 8-C ratings. The reason for Building+ is just that Mako can use lightning, which isn't a good reason honestly. I don't see why they aren't just flat out High 8-C in Seasons 1 and 2 as well. If we're comparing the rest of the cast to Korra, Korra has shown to hurt both Amon and Unalaq in combat. Unalaq scaling to High 8-C isn't really wrong either if he's comparable to other Red Lotus members. The Red Lotus members were capable of taking on Tenzin, Zuko, and Tonraq, so they already have pretty clear scaling to High 8-C. Amon is fine to stay at High 8-C as well considering he's stronger than Yakone. Korra's basically mastered all of the elements aside from air at the start of Season 1 as well. There's not much "improvement" bending-wise that can really happen from there, so I think it's fine to just put all of them at High 8-C.
Special Thanks:
I took some of the ideas from a thread Zephryos made and one that Kukui made. That's where some of the stuff comes from, so I do want to give credit where credit is due.
We can move the proposals to a CRT after some thoughts are given on the topics.
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