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Forneus in DSJ what tier would have and Is it the same as in Nocturne or DSJ make him stronger? this will get Demifiend more broken or not?
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They are very low level angels. It's impossible for them to be that high.Nedge1000 said:Archangels and Principalities are 2-A
My mistakes, I saw it.Jaakuace44 said:...Wh-what
But their pages have them listed at possibly 6-A and Low 2-C respectively. Are you sure you're referring to the right keys there?
For the angels, I just saw; the archangels and above have themJaakuace44 said:Oof. On second thought, all of the Divine race demons are missing their High-Godly regen. Might wanna wait until those get an update before even considering using them for scaling.
Shesha was a Low 2-C in the past. Now, he is 2-AJaakuace44 said:I'm not sure I'd go that far. If that were the case, the scaling would be out of wack entirely, even without scaling Demi-fiend to enemies such as Archangels or Powers. Virtues, Dominions, Thrones, etc. would also be 2-A simply by being stronger than Power, which would be stretching things a bit much.
Ouroboros Maia is also 2-A.DMB 1 said:Shesha being 2-A kind of messes up the scaling of the games prior to SMTIV since there he was treated more like a mid-tier demon.
No, I think it would mess the scaling further.Jaakuace44 said:What we could do is have a separate key for Shesha's regular incarnations.
You forgot to upadate the Powers' key.Nedge1000 said:I can update their missing abilities like Acausilty and Regenerationn
Anyone who outranks canonically Ouroboros Maia, Shesha or are comparable to them should be 2-A at the very leastJaakuace44 said:Okay, so Ananta's always been 2-A, if we're going by the fact that he outranks Ouroboros in Strange Journey.
If something is canon then there is no point of keys for appearance unless the characters got canonically stronger or weaker.Jaakuace44 said:Forneus and Ishtar aren't part of the same demon race, anyway. That said, Redux Forneus went up against the protagonist without getting stomped, after the latter had already beaten Morax (which is mandatory to get to the point where the Womb of Grief is even available).
Edit: Maybe we should have separate keys for Forneus if we ever get to him?
What do you mean?DMB 1 said:You forgot to upadate the Powers' key.Nedge1000 said:I can update their missing abilities like Acausilty and Regenerationn
I doubt her second key for High Pixie is from the same game since Demi-fiend doesn't even have at Tier 6 ratingJaakuace44 said:Speaking of Pixie, High Pixie's tier needs to be moved down to At least 8-A, at most 6-C due to scaling to Aeros in the same way Demi-fiend does. The Low 7-C rating is from back when Aeros was considered Low 7-C.
Being superior to him doesn't warrant at least Low 7-C rating; it is not enough.Jaakuace44 said:Aeros doesn't have two keys.
Being superior to him used to be a Low 7-C feat. Now, that's been downgraded to At least 8-A.
The idea is that Aeros is the embodiment of the world's wind, and should be capable of creating Tornadoes (which themselves have an AP of 8-A).