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Smash Ultimate Finals in VS debating format.

Joker stomps by nulling or absorbing practically every move in their arsenal, while defending from the rest with Tetrakarn and Makarakarn. He then mindhaxes and wins via incap.
 
Can I just put Ren with Arsene only or is it necessary to give him all Personas?
 
Ren with only Arsene tops out at 8-B and loses practically all of his hax. It becomes a stomp in the other direction. This is a mismatch.
 
Impossible. Arsene starts losing out to better Personas halfway through the first Palace. 7-C Ren is after completing the third.

Although if we assume Ren deliberately wasted time strengthening Arsene to the level of his other 7-C Personas, he'd have a weakness to Ice-type moves from Squirtle, and his only hax is a weak sleep manip that's resisted by all of them.
 
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