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I addressed this in many a post above. Please read.It is because we don’t know if they actually destroying time or not unless with explicit proof and such.
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I addressed this in many a post above. Please read.It is because we don’t know if they actually destroying time or not unless with explicit proof and such.
You did, but from my point of view, it seems to cause confusion rather than help clarifying the standards regarding Low 2CI addressed this in many a post above. Please read.
It's the reason why beerus and champa are 2-C so you can ask him that. Plus destroying infinite universes is 2A with time being destroyed while destroying an infinite universe is just 3A with no mention of time being destroyed or proof the destruction affected all of time(past,present and future).AKM would be wrong on that, then. Destroying the matter in 2 universes simultaneously is just 3-A, and can be even be calced. High 3-A's description even explicitly mentions destroying infinitely many universes. Wouldn't it be weird for destroying 2 universes to be 2-C, but destroying infinitely many to only be High 3-A?
I wish that were true....or maybe it is...but its rarely seen enforced.I thought I made it abundantly clear earlier that if "universe" or any other label is identified to explicitly refer to the entirety of the spacetime continuum and never (or almost never) to any subset of it, then it wouldn't be held to those standards.
That's how cosmological terms tend to work. But "universe" specifically is fairly problematic as, by conventional default usage, it doesn't exclusively refer to the entirety of the spacetime continuum. Which is why one would be far more generous with statements such as "destroyed the timeline", or "destroyed the grabknarb" where "garbknarb" is a consistent cosmological description.
they are not 2C they are low 2cIt's the reason why beerus and champa are 2-C so you can ask him that
I don't see why you would require extra proof if you are destroying a spacetime continuum.But let's be honest we have seen several verses say a character destroyed a space-time continuum but no proof it affected all of time so if it were this way I'm pretty sure 98% of low 2-C verses would be made 3A or High 3A.
Their shared feat is 2C...they downscale to low2C individually.they are not 2C they are low 2c
you are mixing this up on purpose, read the previous messagesI don't see why you would require extra proof if you are destroying a spacetime continuum.
That feels redundant.
actually they have tons of justifications, this one is a minor supporting feat the major one is IZ and others, as like it was said on the tiering page,Their shared feat is 2C...they downscale to low2C individually.
so yes if you divide a 2C feat by 2, it will still be 2C and low 2c times 2 is not 2CDue to the fact that the distance between any given number of universes embedded in higher-dimensional / higher-order spaces is currently unknowable, it is impossible to quantify the numerical gap between each one of the subtiers in Tier 2. As such, it is not allowed to upgrade such a character based solely on multipliers. For example, someone twice as strong as a Low 2-C character would still be Low 2-C, and someone infinitely more powerful than a 2-C would not be 2-A.
Am I?? Mods themselves say Space-Time Continuum destruction is low2C. I don't see what I did wrong.you are mixing this up on purpose, read the previous messages
There are only 3 Tier 2 feats for DBS. IZ, BeerusChampa and Zeno.actually they have tons of justifications, this one is a minor supporting feat the major one is IZ and others, as like it was said on the tiering page,
I said you are mixing this up on purpose, or you are stonewalling, as lots of people have said millions of times that all universe by default is a space time, so destruction of a universe can be 3A or low 2c depending on the context of the destructionAm I?? Mods themselves say Space-Time Continuum destruction is low2C. I don't see what I did wrong.
Well I guess you can try upgrading them of they indeed performed a solid 2C feat, anyway it is irrelevant to this thread. Thank youThere are only 3 Tier 2 feats for DBS. IZ, BeerusChampa and Zeno.
Zeno feat is his own....thus we are only left with 2 feats.
IZ is baseline low2C. Beerus is Atleast Low2C for being unquantifiably above baseline low2C...he is almost "2C".
Stop being aggressive towards me when all I have done is defend the two alternate proposals I have made. I fail to find how debating something relevant to the topic is derailing.I said you are mixing this up on purpose, or you are stonewalling, as lots of people have said millions of times that all universe by default is a space time, so destruction of a universe can be 3A or low 2c depending on the context of the destruction
If it was destroyed without the entire time aspect then it is 3A but if it is destroyed with the entire time aspect then it is low 2C.
If it was said that a universe was destroyed without further context then it is safe to assume that he only destroyed the present universe I.e. the universe as it is at the moment, but if it was stated that he destroyed a universe with the entire time, timeline e.t.c., then it is low 2c.
So please stop stonewalling and just read and understand.
Destruction without stating that the past and future was also destroyed =/= low 2c
Destruction with statement or implied that the entire time or timeline was destroyed = low 2c
It's not that hard
And for the last ******* time all universe are a space time, so a verse mentioning a universe is a space time does not mean Jack shit as any three dimensional space with time, is a space time.
Okay I apologiseStop being aggressive towards me when all I have done is defend the two alternate proposals I have made. I fail to find how debating something relevant to the topic is derailing.
I have already acknowledged whatever the hell you have said...and I have already made a proposal to write down in FAQ regarding that.
I have full right to defend my point of view and have a fruitful discussion, thats all I have done.
And stop enforcing your opinions on me, and stop demonizing me.
If anything it is you who has derailed this thread with discussions about Bleach not me.
how is Beerus Low 2-C when the "12 universes" aren't separate space-time continuums?Am I?? Mods themselves say Space-Time Continuum destruction is low2C. I don't see what I did wrong.
There are only 3 Tier 2 feats for DBS. IZ, BeerusChampa and Zeno.
Zeno feat is his own....thus we are only left with 2 feats.
IZ is baseline low2C. Beerus is Atleast Low2C for being unquantifiably above baseline low2C...he is almost "2C".
majority leans on disagreeHave there been any new conclusions here since I last checked in?
Yes they are and it still grants 2-C.they are not 2C they are low 2c
True.I don't see why you would require extra proof if you are destroying a spacetime continuum.
That feels redundant.
I think its because they don't want verses to be downgradedmajority leans on disagree
More like the new proposals are way too strict and unnecessary.I think its because they don't want verses to be downgraded
how so? What would destroying the past, present and future be classified as then?More like the new proposals are way too strict and unnecessary.
as they have said, that is already included on the requiermentshow so? What would destroying the past, present and future be classified as then?
Yes I guess you're right.as they have said, that is already included on the requierments
what this proposal is asking is for characters to have a "i will destroy the past, present and future" statements which is way too strict as 90% of verses do not mention all of that and simply say "space and time" etc.
Destroying time = destroying Past present and future. Adding a note about "you need to destroy Past, present and future" is unnecessary. Why ? Read through this thread.how so? What would destroying the past, present and future be classified as then?
well just agnaa has replied and he is fine with it i guess, but i am waiting for others too.Have there been any new conclusions here since I last checked in?
So what's this? Will the requirements for Low 2-C change now?
for the record i am not trying to change the standard, i am just trying add notes to clarify it better but well half of the staffs think it will be redundant since a wiki page is already linked, but then no one reads that linked page everNo, at the moment staff consensus is rejection of the proposal.
still low 2cWhat would affecting the past, present and future be then?
they have at least low 2c on their profiles not 2cYes they are and it still grants 2-C.
i am not asking for it as that is already the requirement that is what "space time continuum means, cant any one of you at least read and comprehend this?? this is why i made this a staff thread to avoid things like thisas they have said, that is already included on the requierments
what this proposal is asking is for characters to have a "i will destroy the past, present and future" statements which is way too strict as 90% of verses do not mention all of that and simply say "space and time" etc.
I agree with adding the whole "past, present, and future" thing to either the Tiering System page or the FAQ page, whichever majority decides. This is something that needs to be done so we won't have any confusion regarding why a Low 2-C character got downgraded to 3-A or High 3-A despite destroying "space and time" without any further elaboration.
"Spacetime continuum" in the explanation already has a link that explains what spacetime means. Isn't that enough?
Seems redundant?
Especially since it says the same thing in the sentence prior to the new addition.
I remember someone also made a thread about it earlier. A spacetime continuum has always meant all of space and all of time. When you are destroying a spacetime continuum, you are destroying all of time as well, i.e. the past, present and future of the universe. The conclusion of the last thread was that we already follow these rules on the books, but we have been lenient with enforcing it in practice (which needs to be taken care of).
Every universe by default is a space time continuum though, even if nothing is said about it. It doesn't need to be defined as such. It's destruction is only 3-A by default, unless proof of time being destroyed is also there (it being called a space-time continuum in the same sentence that talks about its destruction would probably count as evidence in that case but it also depends on context). I don't see a problem with that.
So as you can see, none of them said the standards is not destruction of the entire "space-time continuum" but that adding that was meant by space time continuum is "past, present and future of a space-time" is redundant which i agree, since space-time continuum already mean all of the past, present and future of a particular space. but what do we do when majority dont know that? we add a little note. and please read the OP i am not trying to change the standards.A spacetime continuum, by its definition, includes all of space and all of time. Space definitionally encompasses up/down, left/right, and forward/backward, and time definitionally encompasses the past, present, and future. There can be more directions than three spatial and one temporal, but the point is, the past-present-future of the universe is already covered under the spacetime continuum. No need to spell out something that should be obvious to most of our users.
which is already on the description as "space-time continuum"Ok so tl;dr:
Space-time continuum is past, present and future.
basically meaning this thread is completely pointless since its trying to make semantics about the tier rating needlessly complexwhich is already on the description as "space-time continuum"
basically meaning this thread is completely pointless since its trying to make semantics about the tier rating needlessly complex
From a Wiki accepted POV: Next time you post in this thread without permission or say something provoking, I will report youwhich is something we ALREADY COVERED in the Bleach downgrade thread that got rejected
Jesus ******* Christ stop
Well if the universe was formed from.the big bang then yes, it wouldA space-time continuum would be like that, wouldn't it?
This is the current standard I am not changing anythingProposal is ok but way too strict, many verses will be affected, it isn't wrong but just too strict
I suggested something different than that;as they have said, that is already included on the requierments
what this proposal is asking is for characters to have a "i will destroy the past, present and future" statements which is way too strict as 90% of verses do not mention all of that and simply say "space and time" etc.
And the OP agreed with that.If that's what you're worried about, the wording would need to get across something like "Just because a series has a multiverse that contains multiple spacetimes, does not mean that the destruction of it is necessarily tier 2, as each universe could simply have its contents destroyed at one point in time, without affecting the past and future."