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Slight Kaguya Otsutsuki Hax Addition

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@BFF I believe she recieved medical treatment from Tsunade due to the damage Neji inflicted to her after Naruto successfully retrieved Tsunade for his mission after the Chunin Exam. Speaking of this, I did say "To a limited extent" as using Verse Equalization is not useful when it comes to durability. Again say in a Verse Match, both characters (Character A having Gentle Fist vs Character B having no Gentle Fist and is from a different verse) have the same durability. Do we assume that attacking the "chakra points" is able to physically stop the opponent? This mean Hinata's ability to use chakra was disabled in this case.
 
@Kukui Hmmm I was honestly thinking Neji was taking the fight seriously during the entire fight, but then again I must have read a bit too much of fanfic these days. Still he was "toying" with her? I don't think that will not exuses the fact she still put a fight.
 
I think you're making some kind of mistake. Chakra points double up as pressure points. Which everyone has as far as I know. And as mentioned before, verse equalization takes care of this issue. Except genjutsu wouldn't be used as an argument in threads most of the time. So yes, it will stop the opponent. I'm not actually referring to the chakra points issue. I'm referring to the ability of the Gentle Fist to cause internal damage as has been shown and stated in the article and manga pages I linked.

And Hinata only put up a fight because he was casual. He would have humiliated her if he was serious from the onset. The difference between them is pretty clear.
 
@BFF I was speaking if Gentle Fist was able to completely stop the opponent from attacking the user who used Gentle Fist. In this case, Hinata still stand up despite having her own chakra sealed off and being hit by Gentle Fist techniques from Neji during The match. This technically will count as a sealing and a durability negation to a limited extent. Anyway I will refrain from talking at this point as I am thinking a bit more than usual.
 
As far as Hinata being healed by Tsunade goes, we are never shown that. So thats kinda speculative.

And in-character? Yes Hinata wasnt bloodlusted but she also wasnt holding back. Naruto boosted her confidence she was going all-out when fighting Neji.
 
@Kukui I weren't been so sure on that as I don't remember Naruto as I used to. Then again I probably mistaken things as it is as I think she could be heal by medical nins if anything. Anyway I refrain from discussing this too much when there is a literal content revision for Naruto series as a whole.
 
Yes, Hinata wasn't quite her normal self when fighting against Neji. Also, the revision for the series doesn't matter. Gwyn already passed through this point and nothing came up on the Gentle Fist, so I assume he's focusing on the feats themselves not abilities and hax. So durability negation should be given to Kaguya. And Neji and Hinata if they don't have it already.
 
@BFF Which the feats can involve the abilities and haxs as well..... You know what. I am getting tired of debating with you guys as it is now.
 
@Burning

Again. Very specific attacks and techniques. She doesn't ignore durability every time she punches something, and she certainly isn't going to ignore durability with her physical strikes against anyone much stronger than her.
 
Oh yeah of course regular strikes don't ignore durability but if she specifically uses Gentle Fist, then wouldnt that be a different story all together?
 
@Kukui You see Hinata attacking Neji with Gentle Fist which btw kept in mind Neji traded blows with her.... I am extremely panaroid as things has not been going well for me as it is now. And assuming that every single Gentle Fist will ignore durability is actually frowned upon.
 
@Starkiller

I was told by Antvasima that it was fine to create threads concerning hax and other abilities and not the statistics themselves.

@Reppuzan

When did I say she could do that with her normal punches? I've been referring to Gentle Fist. Neji and Hinata on the other hand, would have that with their basic taijutsu attacks since that's what they use everytime.
 
@Burning

I just don't want anyone stamping Durability Negation on a profile without specifying the fact that only a handful of techniques do so, lest people believe that all of Kaguya's attacks ignore durability.
 
@BFF I am petty sure both of them have used Gentle Fist during the match befort Hinata got crippled by Neji later on the fight. This is a special case that involved haxs as AP can come from any means even haxs for that mattr.
 
@BFF Sorry as I am feeling a bit stressed out as I am now. This is sorta pushing things a bit to the point I feel extremely tired of debating with this topic. Still you can not speculate that they didn't use Gentle Fist punchs in the match. Mostly likely they have.

Edit: I should clarify that detail a bit more for the disabling blows.
 
@Kukui The page for Martial Arts say otherwise. Also congrats for giving the description of Gentle Fist. Gentle Fist is a fighting style used primarily by the Hyuga Clan... I can not believe that as using the logic applied. This means all martial artist will be able to ignore durability. Yeah no exceptions to this one.
 
Starkiller215 said:
@Kukui The page for Martial Arts say otherwise. Also congrats for giving the description of Gentle Fist. Gentle Fist is a fighting style used primarily by the Hyuga Clan... I can not believe that as using the logic applied. This means all martial artist will be able to ignore durability. Yeah no exceptions to this one.
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Just because its a fighting style found in one clan doesnt mean its just pure fighting. Its obviously different from normal taijutsu that focuses on external damage.

Also, all martial artists ignoring durability? Where did that come from?
 
@Kukui Basically what you unknowingly infer to the possible uses for martial arts is used here:


Possible Uses

  • Obtaining superhuman physical characteristics (on a temporary or even permanent basis, or to imitate such characteristics via ki manipulation)
  • Repel attacks of an enemy back at them, or use their energy to strengthen oneself.
  • Neutralize the opponent's attack or partially reduce its power.
  • Control your body in a variety of ways.
  • Attack vulnerable points of the enemy (hurting, paralyzing or even killing by a touch);
  • Can be labelled as acupuncture, with strikes aimed at bones, joints and internal organs
  • Attack with internal energy; Can lead to increased strike impact because of ki, and also generating powerful energy attacks.

Joseph point it out that Gentle Fist will act like how specific parts of Martial Art will do pressure points which I just make things too over complicated as it is now.
 
But the thing is hitting chakra points is not the same thing as just physically hiting pressure points like lets say, Chi Blocking from avatar.

To hit the chakra points you specifically need chakra or energy to be released from your body and into the opponents to attack beyond their durability. If this wasnt the case, then the Gentle Fist style wouldnt be exclusive to the Hyuga clan only as literally anyone would be able to do this.

I still don't see the issue here. We have bypassing durability listed for Hinata and Neji so the same should be applied to Kaguya, unless a revision for the entirety of Gentle Fist is needed. Basically, either Kaguya gets the same thing or Hinata and Neji lose their ignoring durability hax.
 
I think that Reppuzan accepted the proposed change early on, so it should be good to go.
 
@Antvasima Well I suppose that is true, but I wasn't sure about it being labeled as "Durability Negation" as Gentle Fist will fall under Martial Art as far as I am aware. Technically it will be a form of a sealing here. Also the page of Hinata or Neji doesn't have it listed there at all.

Edit: I check and it seems Neji has it..... Okay never mind as I will need to double check to be sure.
 
@Kukui I will temporarily unlock the page, so you can adjust it accordingly. Tell me here when you are done.
 
@Antvasima Well I will be fine with this, but Kukui has not counter the fact Gentle FIST still require physical touch as mentioned in the Martial Art page as I just nitpicking at this point. My apologies if I being too panaroid about it as I just want to be sure if the suggestion is accurate.
 
@Starkiller

Yeah, they both used Gentle Fist but Neji was repelling her attacks and closing her chakra points without anyone noticing. Even the jonin thought Hinata was doing well until he casually caused internal damage to her by touching her chest lightly before revealing what he did at the beginning of the fight.
 
@BFF He didn't casually do internal damage as you guys are putting it. No wonder why I put things at face value durng my panaroid stage. Also speculating he done it before the fight is legit putting this feat out of context.... I not so sure if I can trust myself on my own judgement anymore, but I firmly believe in what I think of it until the end.
 
I'm not sure if you read the chapter but read it if you haven't. Neji did not show any visible effort when he did it and that's alright. He's far above Hinata and this is actually pretty clear. He learned the Hyuuga's main techniques just by observing them and he was hyped to be able to surpass the rest of the clan. He was able to perform Kaiten and Eight Trigrams: 64 Palms at the age of 13. Hinata couldn't even do any of those until Part 2 and even then she knew only 32 palms before Neji taught her. Also, it doesn't matter if he actually did it casually or not, even if he screamed and his veins were bulging out, it's still durability negation. I've already linked the article, manga pages and copy pasted things concerning it. The Gentle Fist article on the wiki even provides a link to Chakra Scalpels, which also cause internal damage. Again, Hinata was clearly shown to be suffering from internal damage after a full month. If you're not satisfied, I don't know what else to do for you. Please read the chapters concerning their fight again. When Kukui posted a video concerning this (I think), manga scans were requested which I've provided. Internal damage was clearly referenced and shown throughout the course of the relevant chapters.
 
@BFF True, but it will be label under Marital Arts as inflicting internal damage is a specific application of the Martial Arts page. Also Hinata is still recovered from doing anything too taxing on her body during the time. At this point, I not so sure what to say anymore as things has gotten out of control. Ignoring that feat of Hinata survived the Gentle Fist blows from Neji indicates that full on durability negation is not acceptable at all. Making exceptions to it will make everyone assuming that all Gentle Fist users can ignore durability just by inflicting internal damage and the opponent dies from it.
 
Okay, I see what you mean but damaging internal organs is considered as durability negation. It's on the Durability Negation page itself. Hinata was fresh as of the time to of her fight with Neji. The first time she got injured was when Neji tapped her chest. So I don't know what exactly she's recovering from. Except you mean after their fight? Again, Hinata surviving it doesn't mean anything. Naruto was encouraging her so she repeatedly stood up. Doflamingo survived his internal organs getting blown up by Law. It doesn't mean Law can't ignore durability. Lille survived Shunsui transferring sickness and his wounds to him (Bleach). It doesn't mean Shunsui's Bankai doesn't ignore durability. Ishida and Jugram survived transferring damage to themselves. It doesn't mean their abilities don't ignore durability. Minerva survived Erza slashing through space and hitting her. It doesn't mean Nakagami Armor can't ignore durability. There are multiple examples of this. It will simply depend on the opponent involved.
 
@BFF She recover from internal damages inflicted by Neji after the match.... I should be specific with you guys as it is. You say it yourself that after her match with Neji, during the one month break from the Chunin Exam, she was shown recovering from the ordeal.
 
No she didn't. Hinata didn't recover that fast even after that month she needed to be treated still by Kabuto before the invasion began. And again, Neji was striking her casually so her surviving casual Gentle Fist strikes when they weren't remotely close to Neji's true abilities shouldn't mean anything. That would be like saying the creation trio can take all of Arceus's full power when they survived his most casual assaults.
 
@Antvasima

Thank you but at the moment I am currently in school so I wont have time to do the editions until later this afternoon. Will it be okay if I do it later?
 
Yes and what's wrong with that? All the people I posted examples of recovered from their ordeals. And they didn't actually have emergency treatment like Hinata did. Does this mean their opponents can't ignore durability? No.
 
@Kukui I gonna need to check the manga to be sure on that. I have to take a break from this.

Edit: In chapter 98 of the Naruto series: http://www.**********.com/naruto/98/8

She was shown there with Naruto at the time... I can not believe this. Marital Arts is definitely will not be durability negation in any case.
 
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