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Edelweiss
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Nocturne
7-B for both
Speed equal
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Nocturne
7-B for both
Speed equal
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Since it's required. Edelweiss vs Nocturne
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So what stops Noc from nulling desperado and passively haxxing her to death?
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She doesnt resist powernull or mind manip/madness manip all passive. I dont see what she can do here?
Also he massively outranges her in this form.
Also he massively outranges her in this form.
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Has he ever nulled acausality?
The mind manip isn't lethal so it won't insta kill. Edel has her own passives.
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He nulls magic and supernatural powers in the verse which includes acasuality not that it matters whether he nulls her acausality or not he would null her other abilities.
Her passives would be nulled. But also this Nocturne just dives outside of time itself to immerse the entire multiverse in his darkness he would be outside of her range.
And his mind manip causes minds to break, it would kill her."Mind Manipulation (Able to inject his consciousness into the minds of others, causing their mind to physically collapse under the mental assault"
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Need proof that the verse has acausality? Zilean and his time magic.
That is called an NLF. They still would not work on a multiversal scale.
And she can not do anything about being mindhaxxed from the get go.
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Not really though. Just remembering desperados gets you f'ed. What does range have to do with any of this?
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No, that Noc nullified that.
It's not range related though. You can think of desperados and you still remember the terror.
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That is an NLF. abilities regardless of how they work need to show their range. It is oone thing if they are on the same planet them I can agree but outside of time/in another universe altogether? That is an NLF.
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Noc nulls magic in general and magic in the verse include acausality and regardless of whether he can not null acausality doesnt matter for the rest of the argument her acasuality does not do anything here.
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It's not them affecting you at that point.
That's like saying you wouldn't be scared of meeting a bear if you went in another universe.
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Acausality is the reason he gets affected though.
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...but it is affecting him to do the whole death/causality/fear thing.
Why would he be scared of her?
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....That doesnt make any sense acausality is not an attack it is a state of being.
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Cus he knows the terror of a being outside of causality at that point. As i've said, people just remember desperados and break down.
Yes that state of being means "being above fate, as such your fate is way stronger than anyone's meaning you draw people into their own fate".
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So you are saying he (a being that transcends space and time) is scared because she is outside of causality and so for some reason that would then break him down even when he is outside of the multiverse, yeah big NLFs everywhere in this. I want proof that it can affect people even outside of the multiverse.
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People were clearly outside of range though. She remembered the dude she broke down.
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Outside of range and still in the same universe. And breaking down wouldnt kill him. She would get passive mind haxxed before hand.
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I mean, why would going into another universe matters if its cognition related? Its a matter of how Noc recognizes her existence, not how Edel directly affects him
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Is the ability affecting him or not? If it is it needs to show the range associated with who it is affecting. Not to mention assuming that people in other verses would be scared because people exist outside of casuality. How would this work if a verse has multiple people that exist in that way withiut being a significant thing? Would that still scare them? Finally the assumption that an amalgation of Nightmares across a multiverse would breakdown at the thought of a human who was able to do be outside of casuality.
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Depends, if he decides to fight her, he will die.
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There is no need for him to decide she would get mind haxxed without him even consciously attempting it.
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In this version it is multiversal+ (it is on his profile) and he isnt just incapping he is collapsing her mind she is effectively dead.
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The profile doesn't seem to clarify much on it. Unless quite literally everything he can do is multiversal+ along with stuff like :
- Duskbringer: Nocturne sends out a shadow blade in a line that leaves a Dusk Trail on its path, dealing physical damage to enemies it passes through and causing enemy champions hit to also leave a Dusk Trail behind them. While on the Dusk Trail, Nocturne is ghosted and gains bonus movement speed and bonus attack damage.
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He has multiversal time based and magic abilities. I do agree that it should be clarified.
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Does he get multiversal for his passives though? Has he ever hit anyone from a multiverse away?
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He literally wants to use his very darkness (essentially his energy) to cover the entire multiverse. So yes his passives would affect things at a multiversal range as they are all from his energy/power.
If this is not a stomp somehow I am voting Nocturne for my reasons, I am entirely unconvinced (for multiple reasons) about the whole "no range required thing" and the reasoning of its effects(scared of being outside causality?) makes even less sense imo.
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Wants, and "passively does" are different though.
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Passives are what his energy and presence abilities do(as seen in base they start at several kilometers). He expands his range consciously.
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You literally said it yourself though.
"He expands his range consciously".
The range needs to be expanded consciously. What's the range if he doesn't expand it?
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I just said it several kilometers...they should be at least the same as in base as he his unfathomably more powerful.
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Who has he affected from several kilometers though? And how much is several in this case? Cus it can be just 3.
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He has affected an entire town. And at the time he was possesing someone who was outside said town in a mountain range. So several is a bit of a lowball.
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Hmm fair then. He stomps. Since that's lethal.
