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Shulk vs Gilgamesh 2

So 1-A Fatehax that bypasses low 2-C resistance is inferior to 2-C Fatehax that is happens to scale higher than another 2-C Fatehax?
 
@That

Quantity =/= Quality, Gilgamesh's Subjective Reality has much higher quality

@Josh

That's dimensional layers, which are infinitelly qualitevelly superior to normal layers
 
Because in some cases, some hax can be used on a much larger scale than just bypassing resistances. Also, bypassing resistances is literally just resistance negation.
 
Thatsafloridathing said:
With that logic, Ten Crowns wouldn't null another Ten Crowns. In this case, the ability has actually been shown to be cancelled out by itself too.
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This is still a fallacious argument.
 
Thatsafloridathing said:
Because in some cases, some hax can be used on a much larger scale than just bypassing resistances. Also, bypassing resistances is literally just resistance negation.
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Authorithy gives resistance to abilities, while having higher Authorithy bypasses said resistances

There's over 11 million gods in nasu in a hierarchy with each step having high enought authorithy to dwarf the one of the guy below

BB sits around the peek of the hierarchy
 
Yeah gotta agree with Florida there. Plus saying it grants resistance to just abilities in general (even those not listed on Gilgamesh's profile) sounds very off.
 
"In some cases, things just aren't added to profiles sometimes so I'd understand that"

  • I'd believe that Gil's profile is out of fate if not for Gilgamesh's profile was not updated 4 days ago. So we have to use the versions the profiles give us.
@Overlord775

  • Can I see a thread where this Hierarchy and the buffs with it was accepted upon? Would greatly help in accurately deciding on thread's winner
(if it isn't incon due to both subjectives being able to negate everything each other does)

"Subjective Reality is a sub-power of reality warping, which is resisted with Authorithy"

  • Then Shulk actually resists Ten Crowns then and before you say about the Hierarchy do remember that unless I can see a thread it was accepted by a number of admins and added then it does not apply here as it was not accepted.
 
I assume he's talking about Nasuverse having Hindu pantheon which has 33 million gods. There are gods who are superior to other gods, but it's not a layered hierarchy where each god is superior to other. Best you can do is say that supreme hindu trinity is superior to lesser hindu gods.
 
Issue is due to it you're claiming that Gil has high resistance to abilities not even listed on his profile like Resistance Negation ( the 33 million god thing also isn't mentioned which is should be with how crucial it is for Gil )
 
Overlord775 said:
Profiles don't list the hax scaling chains tho
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I probably should've clarified that. I guess I was trying to say that it hasn't been accepted by any moderator or taken into account during any versus matches, at least not as far as I know.
 
That really doesn't help. I'm starting to come to the conclusion that the hax scaling chain is either being blown out of proportion, or doesn't exist since there's almost no evidence for me to go off of here. I don't think it makes sense to apply it to this match.
 
Are there any other arguments for Gilgamesh? Just in case Shulk dies or something like that, Alvis can either regenerate him or create him again so it could probably be a stalemate.
 
Ea can affect the Types, who work on a different set of concepts than normal, and conceptually Nonexistant beings, so Alvis's thing doesn't save him from being Enuma Elished in the face
 
Overlord775 said:
Ea can affect the Types, who work on a different set of concepts than normal, and conceptually Nonexistant beings, so Alvis's thing doesn't save him from being Enuma Elished in the face
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That won't, but passive omnipresent precognition on the level of all possible futures that bypasses Acasuality Type 2, will.
 
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