Shown abilities & Full Power

[Udlmaster]

I think we should lift the ban on Ajimu Najimi's ability to be used in VS battles, however, under the condition that her profile will be split into:

" Shown Abilities | Full Power "

Now, while it would make sense that she keeps the "Unknown" Status for her Full Power since we don't know even 1% Of her other abilities, but I think the "Shown Abilities" should be it's own seperate part of her Profile.


Now what do I mean by "Shown Abilities"?

What I mean by it is that we will ONLY use what we KNOW for sure and what is agreed on by the other users, what her limits are with her shown moveset.

In terms of Feats, she has the Star busting attack she did Extremely casually, and only did it because she thought it was a loser.

However, that isn't the limits of her power, for what she has shown, for example, she's also tanked the Big Bang, stating she was waiting for it, However, I would accept the argument that it might not be valid on the terms that she might have not even been in the area of the Big Bang and might have been in a Pocket reality or...

Baby Planet (þöƒÒü¥ÒéîÒüƒÒüªÒü«Õ«çÕ«Ö, Beib─½ Puranetto): Create a universe skill.

Now again, this can be disputed, as if she could have made a Universe, why did she wait for one to spawn? My guess is PIS, for the same reason why she has time Travel but still waited for a Universe to spawn:

Every Time Slip Everyday Dream (µÖéþ│╗ÕêùÕ┤®ÕúèÚüôõ©¡Þåصáùµ»ø, Eburi Taimu Surippu Eburi Dei Dor─½mu): Time travel skill

Also the naming: "Baby PLANET" could mean that it's talking about a Planet and not a Universe, but that will be for you to decide.

So, do think Ajimu's profile should be split or kept at "Unknown"?

 

[Udlmaster]

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[Udlmaster]

Bump

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

Quit bumping in rapid succession, people usually wait about a day before bumping

 

[Udlmaster]

Just for Clarification, I do believe her full power should be banned due to her full extent being TOO Vague.

 

[YungManzi]

I say don't use her at all because I hate Medaka Box....Anyway, from what I remember about the manga she was constantly implied to have been invincible in every way and stated to have all kinds of different powers and a lot of her feats are way too vague to accurately observe (IMO).

From what I hear, the only reason she was defeated in a manga full of insane hax was pure WIS/Parody BS.

 

[Udlmaster]

Yes, and that's the whole point of her having "Shown Abilities". It would only have her shown abilties and feats.

 

[Antvasima]

I think that this is a bad idea. The extents of her abilities are too uncertain, contradictory, and open for interpretation.

 

[Kami95]

A clarification about why she waited for the universe to be created instead of creating it herself: she hasn't always had all of her abilities, she gradually learned them during her life. It's likely that she learned to create a universe after seeing the big bang.

Anyway, I disagree FRA, even shown abilities are a bit vague imho.

Actually, while we're at it, I think there's another character that we should ban: Hanten. He's technically comparable to Anshin'in, but he has even less feats than her, it's probably better to ban him before someone tries to use him in a vs thread.

 

[Antvasima]

Characters at unknown tiers should not be used in general.

 

[Kami95]

This guy seems to disagree.

 

[Kami95]

Don't get me wrong, I understand that it's better not to use unknown tiers, I just think that since some of them are abused anyway it could be better to ban Hanten just to be safe. I certainly don't see him becoming a meme like Sans, but better safe than sorry.

Edit: I just noticed that there's already a note on his profile that states that he shouldn't be used in vs threads (although it's not mentioned in the rules), I guess it's fine then.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Should we close this thread then?

 

[Udlmaster]

Well, my logic behind it is that, I know that Ajimu's current state cannot be used due to Metafiction and her nigh-Infinite abilities.

So, with what we've got on her, her 800 abilities shown and her, her feats and abilities that are shown could be used in a VS debate. That's why I recommend the seperation between her Full Power/All Abilities and her Demstrated one. Since that way, if we had this "Shown Power/Abilities" we wouldn't be making assuptions on her abilities or Power. Her Full Power "Unknown" I agree should NOT be allowed in VS debates because there's too many assumptions to be made.

 

[Kami95]

Her 800 abilities are not explained and most people think we shouldn't use them (she would be High 1-A due to being able to trascend dimensions and control everything, which can't be accepted when her best feats is star level and possibly doesn't even count).

Not that I'd mind tho ovo

 

[Antvasima]

If there is nothing left to do here, we should preferably close this thread.

 

[Udlmaster]

Again, this is only taking into account her 800+ Abilities have only shown her to Be able to Create a Universe and with her base feats, Destroy a Star.

So her Tier would be 4-C to High 4-C

Or if we accept the Universe creation High 3-A to Low 2-C

 

[Kami95]

Again, the 800 abilities are frowned upon here, because they include things like the ability to trascend dimensions, control infinity etc., so we can't use them to set her tier. Even the star busting feat is unsure, because it's not completely clear if the classrom is an actual pocket dimension or just a dream.

 

[Udlmaster]

Controling Infinity is a Low 2-C feat.

Or is similar to Kaguya's Eternity & Instantanius Manipulation

And still destroying a Star, no matter where it is, is destroying a Star.

 

[Udlmaster]

Also, Transending X Dimesion is Low 1-C to High 1-C, Transending the Concepts of Dimesions is 1-A an immeasurable amount less than High 1-A.

Infinite Dimesional is 1-B

 

[Udlmaster]

Also, she doesn't have ANY ability to Transend Dimesions, she has the Ability to cross Dimesions, but that's Dimesions in the Form of Universes not Literal Dimesions.

Husky Voice dimension (µ¼íÕàâÕûëµ×£, Hasuk─½ Boisu Dimensho): Cross dimensions skill.

 

[Damage3245]

Splitting her profile into demonstrated power/feats and her unknown full power might not be a bad idea... At least it would mean that only using her max power would be unusable for threads while her demonstrated feats/power could be usable.

I don't entirely see why that wouldn't be an improvement on her currently unusable profile.

 

[Kami95]

If the classroom is actually just a dream the feat wouldn't count, because it would just mean that she manipulated Kumagawa's dream to make him see what she wanted, which would just be dream manipulation or something like that. If you to find some statements that support it being a dimension the feat should be valid though.

Her skills were just rejected in another thread, because skills that were never explained and are not supported by visual feats can't be used for upgrades, especially to tier 2 (including low 2-C) or above. Even Medaka has a skill that can create a universe and another one that can rule it, but the low 2-C upgrade was just refuted for the same reason. You can go to "Major Medaka Box Revisions: The sequel" if you want to read the admin's reasoning.

 

[Udlmaster]

Yes, I do understand that, however, she also has multiple Abilities that Imply 5-B and Higher such as:

Dark Hole (þ®┤Õ┤®Úøó, D─üku Hōru): Control black hole skill.

A Potentially 4-C to 3-C skill

Making Space Debris (ÕëúÒéÆþ┐╗ÒüøÒü░µÿƒÚø▓ÒéƵû¼ÒéèÕëúÒéÆÞªåÒüøÒü░µÁüµÿƒÚø¿ÒéƵû¼Òéï, Meikingu Supēsu Deburi): Star cutting skill.

Attack Potency to affect Stars.

Intelligent Start (ÚáôþƒÑÚûïÚùó, Interijento Sut─üto): World creation skill.

Literal Planet Creation.

Reset Questio (Þ│¬ÕòÅÒéÆþ╣░ÒéèÞ┐öÒüù, Risetto Kuesucho): Restart from the beginning skill.

Potentially Low 2-C ability

Star Fire (µÿƒÒü½þïÖÒüäÒéÆ, Sut─ü Fai─ü): Making stars into bullet skill.

A 4-C to High 4-C ability.

Eternal Eternal Life (ÒüäÒüñÒü¥ÒüºÒééÕÅ▓Þ®▒ÕÉêÒéÅÒüøÒü½µÜ«ÒéëÒüùÒü¥ÒüùÒüƒ, Et─ünaru Et─ünaru Raifu): Permanent world skill.

5-B to 5-A ability.

And of couse.

Baby Planet (þöƒÒü¥ÒéîÒüƒÒüªÒü«Õ«çÕ«Ö, Beib─½ Puranetto): Create a universe skill

The High 3-A to Low 2-C

 

[Antvasima]

All of this is speculation, and off-topic. I will close this thread now.