Shouldn't vaporization values of Gran Rey Cero be applied?

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

In this image at least, Grimmjow literally vaporized Menoly's top half with a Gran Rey Cero, so shouldn't that mean all destruction values of Gran Rey Cero be vaporization?

Don't mean to open a can of worms, I just think this should be addressed

 

[DaReaperMan]

No idea what to do here

By the way this probably is a can of worms...

 

[Purgy]

Cero's in general are accepted to vaporize.

Not sure what you're trying to have done with this thread though, are you trying to have it applied to this calc?

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Also, Grimmjow didn't use Gran Rey Cero in that scan you're using in the OP, that was just a regular Cero

 

[KingTempest]

Something vaporizing one material doesn't mean it'll vaporize all materials.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Cero's in general are accepted to vaporize.

Not sure what you're trying to have done with this thread though, are you trying to have it applied to this calc?

Spoiler

Also, Grimmjow didn't use Gran Rey Cero in that scan you're using in the OP, that was just a regular Cero

yes

 

[Purgy]

yes

That calc uses the ground explosion formula, you can't apply destruction values to it iirc.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

@KingTempest bruh, if you are able to destroy Los Noches you might as well be vaporizing it

And even if that is a regular Cero, having it vaporize something should apply to all Ceros

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

That calc uses the ground explosion formula, you can't apply destruction values to it iirc.

Could we try getting volume then?

 

[Purgy]

Could we try getting volume then?

You could, but it most likely wouldn't be accepted, the ground explosion formula was used because the feat is vague, all we have is a statement saying Los Noches could be destroyed, this is why the formula was used in the first place, because the feat would require too many assumptions otherwise.

 

[KingTempest]

@KingTempest bruh, if you are able to destroy Los Noches you might as well be vaporizing it

And even if that is a regular Cero, having it vaporize something should apply to all Ceros

This is headcanon, it could be an explosion, pulverization, atomization, anything. Assuming it's vaporization is unbased.
And this is never how we treated vaporization feats.

That's like saying since someone could vaporize clouds with a fire attack, they should vaporize stone. Things have different temperatures and such. This wouldn't work

 

[Purgy]

This is headcanon, it could be an explosion, pulverization, atomization, anything. Assuming it's vaporization is unbased.
And this is never how we treated vaporization feats.

That's like saying since someone could vaporize clouds with a fire attack, they should vaporize stone. Things have different temperatures and such. This wouldn't work

I mean, we have Cero Oscuras vaporizing like a 3rd of Los Noches's roof and Gran Rey Cero is stated to be above it, to say it could vaporize the entire thing when it's both stated to be above Cero Oscuras and capable of destroying Los Noches in its entirety, is pretty fair.

 

[KingTempest]

I mean, we have Cero Oscuras vaporizing like a 3rd of Los Noches's roof and Gran Rey Cero is stated to be above it, to say it could vaporize the entire thing when it's both stated to be above Cero Oscuras and capable of destroying Los Noches in its entirety, is pretty fair.

Nada, this reminds me of the CRT with Hado 54 being EE and every superior Hado should get EE because it's superior.
It could have more AP, but having a similar destruction method isn't clear.

This is just me though, any better arguments work.

 

[Purgy]

Nada, this reminds me of the CRT with Hado 54 being EE and every superior Hado should get EE because it's superior.
It could have more AP, but having a similar destruction method isn't clear.

This is just me though, any better arguments work.

Not even similar

• The varying Hado's are mostly completely different to each other, Cero's are all basically the same thing, some are just more potent than others.
• EE is completely different to vaporization, you can't just get to EE via more energy, it's literally just hax.
• Cero's in general are accepted to vaporize, this is a fact, there are like 6 statements spread around Bleach media saying Cero's vaporize and clear showings proving it, if any other verse had even one statement it would be accepted, I don't see the issue.

Anyway, it doesn't even matter, as I said earlier, there's a clear reason why the ground explosion formula was used, and that's because the feat is extremely vague, that isn't going to change whether it vaporizes or not.

 

[Damage3245]

Anyway, it doesn't even matter, as I said earlier, there's a clear reason why the ground explosion formula was used, and that's because the feat is extremely vague, that isn't going to change whether it vaporizes or not.

Yeah, this is the only relevant point. That calc isn't going to be changed.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

I guess the next best thing is to attempt a crater calc, that would seem like the best option since if a cero is going to off Los Noches, it would leave a large crater left behind

 

[Damage3245]

I guess the next best thing is to attempt a crater calc, that would seem like the best option since if a cero is going to off Los Noches, it would leave a large crater left behind

A crater calc for a crater that doesn't exist? That seems difficult.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Well being a hypothetical crater I would assume to use the area of Los Noches and a crater depth of 3 km since that's shallowest crater

 

[Damage3245]

Well being a hypothetical crater I would assume to use the area of Los Noches and a crater depth of 3 km since that's shallowest crater

That'd be too speculative to use.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Aren't the Gran Rey Cero calcs in the same vein too? Los Noches wasn't destroyed

 

[Nullflowerblush]

I pointed this out on the calculation where vaporization was used, so I'll just repost it here.

When Grimmjow blasts through the door, the damage was not on the level of vaporization and even trying to argue that he vaporized Menoly is shifty, because the smoke in the panel came from his hand, which is an effect similar to that of a gun after firing a bullet; this sort of thing is common in manga.

 

[Purgy]

I pointed this out on the calculation where vaporization was used, so I'll just repost it here.

Proof he used a Cero to destroy that door?

Also, which calc are you referring to exactly? The only Cero calc's used are Cero Oscuras and Gran Rey Cero, and I don't see your comment on them.

Regardless, there are statements saying Cero's vaporize iirc and clear showings.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Proof he used a Cero to destroy that door?

It looks exactly like a Cero.

Also, which calc are you referring to exactly? The only Cero calc's used are Cero Oscuras and Gran Rey Cero, and I don't see your comment on them.

This.

I've gotta go to sleep, though. It's 1:30.

 

[Purgy]

It looks exactly like a Cero.

This.

I've gotta go to sleep, though. It's 1:30.

That isn't what he used to destroy the door though, we don't see what he used to destroy the door, a Bala would work all the same and actually makes more sense to me in this instance, why would Grimmjow use one of his greatest techniques to destroy a small door?

And again, there's the matter of statements and clear showings like these.

I had no idea the OP actually made a calc for it, kinda pointless though in my opinion since it will never be accepted and applied.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

I had no idea the OP actually made a calc for it, kinda pointless though in my opinion since it will never be accepted and applied.

Espada 4-1 Resurreccion AP 2.0

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I think I made a fair assessment on the calc

 

[AKUTO123]

Evaporation exists in all cero, but I remember seeing the explosion of the cero, so can't it be taken as cero can have 2 different uses?

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Evaporation exists in all cero, but I remember seeing the explosion of the cero, so can't it be taken as cero can have 2 different uses?

I was kinda think we could split the difference and have "at least 'Cero AP based on explosion', likely 'Cero AP based on vaporization'"

 

[AKUTO123]

I was kinda think we could split the difference and have "at least 'Cero AP based on explosion', likely 'Cero AP based on vaporization'"

I wanted to suggest this actually

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

bump

 

[Purgy]

I was kinda think we could split the difference and have "at least 'Cero AP based on explosion', likely 'Cero AP based on vaporization'"

Are you saying that GRC should have split ratings?

Something like;

At least Large Island level, possibly/likely Large Country level

Because I'd be fine with that, though I doubt it will happen.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Are you saying that GRC should have split ratings?

Something like;

Because I'd be fine with that, though I doubt it will happen.

Well, it's not like there is anything else that we can do to appease both parties of destruction

 

[Purgy]

Well, it's not like there is anything else that we can do to appease both parties of destruction

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