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The OP literally addresses almost all these problems if you read. As for physical interactions, especially in Galand's case, he can lift the Ark, giving him the NPI of an intangible thing made of elements instead because the Ark is made of physical things.
Sooo we gonna ignore the problems with this?
I'm not saying he has already addressed all the issues; I just say almost or perhaps a few of them. I even explain that some cases like Galand can physically interact with the Ark, which should grant him non-physical interaction with intangible things made out of elements instead of treating the Ark as if it were physical. As for being able to change shape and size, I don't see why it can be disqualified when the user can manipulate the light at the particle level (possibly photon), which makes them possible to be capable of bending the light, altering it shape into other forms like a ball of light instead of just a straight lightAddress what? They only gave positive points for it to be considered lightspeed.
They didn't address the bending, the being able to physically push people, the treating the light as if it was physical and being able to change shape and sizes.
Edit: And you know that saying Ark is made of physical things disqualifies it right?
I guess so
Sooo we gonna ignore the problems with this?
It can if the original light is actually made of photon stuff, then the user can bend them because they can manipulate the light, this is something common in fiction when the character can bend even the natural light stuffBeing able to manipulate light doesn't allow you to ignore the anti-feats for it.
Sooo we gonna ignore the problems with this?
It’s not, they just have opposite elementsArk is litrally the Angel equivalent of Hellfire,
Yes and said weaklings were shown to be able to touch a canon FTL caracter with ark (Mael)all angels like Nerobasta and Jelament are weaklings can use it,
Characters that manipulate light can alter it’s form and nature, photons are a physics constant just being able to change it’s shape don’t necessarily mean it changes it’s speednot to mention many characters have bent
None of the attacks that are shown are even arkand used physical versions of Ark which light does not do Ark
They did reflect on Gideon only her could interact with the beamblades have cut people, and ark lasers have physically pushed people back, also the light didn't reflect off of Diane, she was tanking the blasts, after all, the lasers did reflect off, they estinguished immediately, if they did reflect they would fire somewhere else, but they go out
No one blocked the light dude blocked falling rocksFodder Running from and Dodging Ark, while some are even blocking it
Litteraly contradicts his previous « once it hits Diane they extinguish immediately »Diane Literally punching Light with her physical hand
Not Even called ark Just light manip i adressed why light benders can… bend natural light in NNTArk attacks physically knocking someone back
Same shiLight physically cutting zeldris
All demons have NPIGaland Physically lifting light
NNT's magic is based purely on natural elements, the same applies to Ark, (it is literally called "particles of light") plus there are a wide variety of FTL characters in the verse, this is not only not far-fetched, but consistent with what is shown throughout the entire series.Light Speed Standard Revision
Hi everyone. While I had the chance, I wanted to make a thread to discuss our current standards for Laser/Light beam dodging and what we find is, or isnt, acceptable to be a light speed attack. "Should our standards not be tight anymore?" NO. This is not what im pushing for and im addressing...vsbattles.com
Found it. Unless standards have changed, being a light manipulator doesn’t excuse the fact that bending the light can impact its speed so you can’t assume it’s SOL anymore.
Also having NPI for souls does not mean you can touch light they are completely different from one another. That’s why we put down what they can interact with in the description.
Unless you gonna tell me because you can interact with souls you can interact with all non-tangible stuff.
And this thread is about NNT so I don’t know why you’re bringing up OP.
Are you really paying attention to our words or not. We were told that they had a different non-physical interaction with the elements instead of just considering the light ball that Galland lifted is a physical thing. That's normal, if the character can touch souls we allow them to have non-physically interact with incorporeality, and if the character can touch intangible things like elementals then they will have non-physical interaction with intangible made of elements. Unless if you have some statement showing that the light ball Galland lift is a physical manifestation then I'm okay withAlso having NPI for souls does not mean you can touch light they are completely different from one another. That’s why we put down what they can interact with in the description.
Unless you gonna tell me because you can interact with souls you can interact with all non-tangible stuff
And it won't affect the OP's point at all. The OP's point here is to prove that the Ark has the speed of light by proving it is real light, even if light controllers can bend light and affect the speed, then this doesn't change the fact that many times the Goddess shoots beams in a straight path that are actually at the speed of light because it is literally a natural lightFound it. Unless standards have changed, being a light manipulator doesn’t excuse the fact that bending the light can impact its speed so you can’t assume it’s SOL anymore.
We already have two votes from staff, we can now apply the changesBump
I know, but seeing as this has been rejected a few times before, I think it requires 3 staffs.We already have two votes from staff, we can now apply the changes
It is unlikely that another team member will give their opinion here, I have already been to several people's walls and only two have commented.I know, but seeing as this has been rejected a few times before, I think it requires 3 staffs.
Edited: I'm not talking about CRT only getting 3 staffs, I'm just giving reasons why I bumped.
Try the all purpose thread or crt evaluation request thread.It is unlikely that another team member will give their opinion here, I have already been to several people's walls and only two have commented.
Are we gonna ignore fodder citizens dodging it tho?I guess so
I'm sure that the Ark in laser form is really an LS, because it has met the criteria. Anti-feats are definitely there, but can't that be ignored since the goddess is able to manipulate light?
Can you provide some scans of this? If there's implication of the beams / Goddess magic attacks not being particularly fast then that'd influence it.Are we gonna ignore fodder people dodging it too?
https://vsbattles.com/threads/speed-of-nnt-via-goddess-arc.35554/page-2#post-1112299Can you provide some scans of this? If there's implication of the beams / Goddess magic attacks not being particularly fast then that'd influence it.
Hmm, yeah, considering the number of examples brought up by DemonGodMitchAubin, I'm currently against treating the Goddess Magic attacks as lightspeed by default, though I can understand why some people would be fine with it.https://vsbattles.com/threads/speed-of-nnt-via-goddess-arc.35554/page-2#post-1112299
Here are the reasons it was rejected before.
Mate you can't ignore all the other showings of Ark violating the https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Laser/Light_Beam_Dodging_Feats and saying only the straight beams are SOL.And it won't affect the OP's point at all. The OP's point here is to prove that the Ark has the speed of light by proving it is real light, even if light controllers can bend light and affect the speed, then this doesn't change the fact that many times the Goddess shoots beams in a straight path that are actually at the speed of light because it is literally a natural light
Show me where they have physically touched light before lifting Ark.Are you really paying attention to our words or not. We were told that they had a different non-physical interaction with the elements instead of just considering the light ball that Galland lifted is a physical thing. That's normal, if the character can touch souls we allow them to have non-physically interact with incorporeality, and if the character can touch intangible things like elementals then they will have non-physical interaction with intangible made of elements. Unless if you have some statement showing that the light ball Galland lift is a physical manifestation then I'm okay with
No forager has avoided this.Are we gonna ignore fodder citizens dodging it tho?
Perhaps. But, idkAre we gonna ignore fodder citizens dodging it tho?
I didn't even ignore all of them, I just explained why some of them aren't really contradictory enough to consider the Ark not a real light, just like the case where Galand showed to be capable of lifting the ArkMate you can't ignore all the other showings of Ark violating the https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Laser/Light_Beam_Dodging_Feats and saying only the straight beams are SOL.
Either every instances of Ark is SOL or none of them are.
Huh? Does it matter whether he can interact with light in the present or in the past? Just because he didn't show to interact with elements like light before, doesn't mean he is unable to do it until now. Galand only showed that he could lift the Ark and nothing more. And it is not enough to judge the Ark to be a physical thing just because the characters interact with them unless you have some evidence, like a statement that the Ark is made of physical. Because if the character can demonstrate such a feat like interacting with an element without any contradiction, then they will achieve non-physical interaction with intangible things (elemental).Show me where they have physically touched light before lifting Ark.
And no. Just be cause you can touch one element doesn't mean you can touch all elements.
You still don't understand my point? I was literally told that if the user were to bend it, then they might affect the speed of light; however, if the user only shoots them in a straight line, then the speed is just the default speed as they only shoot in a straight line, similar to how light normally travels.Sorry for double posting, but look at this https://nanatsu-no-taizai.fandom.com/wiki/Ark#Elizabeth (I know were not supposed to use wiki as evidence but I don't follow the verse).
How you gonna tell me that Ark is only used as a straight beam?
Edit: And even if they were only using the beams, they have been shown to bend which, even if you're a light manipulator (also ignoring the bending which is an anti-feat), influences the speed of it so you can't say it's straight SOL.
Just because random citizens are running like they're trying to dodge them, doesn't mean they're actually capable of dodging with reflexes instead of just because they're so lucky. There are many cases where ordinary people try to run away from a gunman who is shooting at a distance, and if they somehow avoid it, it could be because of luck or the shooter did not shoot accuratelyAre we gonna ignore fodder citizens dodging it tho?
The Mael thing was because they were already running before the projectiles approached and those attacks were randomized not controlled.Are we gonna ignore fodder citizens dodging it tho?
They didn’t dodge it? Every of those beams were shot at random and hit multiple objects, the ground and almost hit a civilian but made contact with the building firstAre we gonna ignore fodder citizens dodging it tho?
Damn, that was 6 years ago… I’m old@DemonGodMitchAubin As you commented on the original thread for this here, could you let us know if your thoughts on it are still the same?