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SHINZA IS BACK!!!!!

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Deceived3596 said:
"No mortal man under the sun, no powers that be, no chains that bind shall constrain Him, for He dwells in the nether;
a soul from the grave is He. His shackles crumble, his chains fall limp onto the ground before His will;
He, the Dweller in the Grave, His cries of mingling agony and madness.
No man, no divine breath that course the veins of this universe hold the power to sway Him.
And so the Lord asked – what manner of beast are you? Your lips breathe folly; your question a sage intellect would never hatch.
If you know not what I am – very well, I shall answer. Know my name, for it is Legion.
Briah: Gladsheimr - Gullinkambi Fünfte Weltall!"

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our favorite nazi
 
Artorimachi_Meteoraft said:
their the antagonist what did you expect. @Ultra_instinct_issei and the others told me there’s more to dies irae than nazi’s. And your not supposed to sympathize with them.
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There is not more to DI in specific, mainly because DI is not the name of the franchise. Its sequel, KKK, is indeed not Nazzi stuff though

Everything12 said:
Supporters of the Shinza/Masadaverse/Dies Irae series are planning to remake the series and need it's restoration to be approved.
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Tbh I am personally against it, mainly due to the fact that the vast majority of Shinza is still only available in Japanese, and I doubt that we will be able to gather a large enough team to actually gauge its power properly
 
MrBallins said:
Tbh I am personally against it, mainly due to the fact that the vast majority of Shinza is still only available in Japanese, and I doubt that we will be able to gather a large enough team to actually gauge its power properly
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We even use MTL for series these days. That's not how the wiki operates now, and despite how some communities on this site operates it doesn't take that many people to read a series, or even scans, and then post a thread of your observations.
 
PrinceofPein said:
well still pretty much like the last, this is an example of a page I have gone through and verified. So the purpose is to make the verse more accurate, an example here
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No immunities unless you lack what is targeted

That needs translations for the non-translated scans.

That aside, wouldn't it make more sense to make the cosmology blog first, see if it holds up to scrutiny and people actually can agree on stuff and then decide if the pages come back?
 
DontTalkDT said:
No immunities unless you lack what is targeted

That needs translations for the non-translated scans.

That aside, wouldn't it make more sense to make the cosmology blog first, see if it holds up to scrutiny and people actually can agree on stuff and then decide if the pages come back?
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Then if people will give us 48hrs, we can complete it 24hrs, then we will probably argue on it and decide in the next 24 so yes 48hrs.
I will post the blogs
 
eliaspower1234 said:
all that just for ren to solo fiction
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Something something SCP, something something World of Darkness, something something SRE, something something series with too many layers for even me too care about.

DontTalkDT said:
No immunities unless you lack what is targeted
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Unironically this makes me realise that they don't have anything in their Powers and Abilities section for their spiritual armour besides resistance, and while it mostly only offers durability and resistances, it probably counts as some sort of ability.
 
Everything12 said:
Something something SCP, something something World of Darkness, something something SRE, something something series with too many layers for even me too care about.


Unironically this makes me realise that they don't have anything in their Powers and Abilities section for their spiritual armour besides resistance, and while it mostly only offers durability and resistances, it probably counts as some sort of ability.
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They will have casaulty manip, at least all tenmas
 
Everything12 said:
I meant more like Forcefield Creation or something for the apostles' spiritual armour.
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yeah I think that can be added, the other thing the armor grants is soul manipulation and mind manipulation, since they are manipulating souls to create the armour and mind manipulation scaling from the LLT, but they have that already for different reasons, it will be redundant to repeat it again
 
Everything12 said:
We even use MTL for series these days. That's not how the wiki operates now, and despite how some communities on this site operates it doesn't take that many people to read a series, or even scans, and then post a thread of your observations.
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The usage of MTL is absolutely ******* moronic, especially for languages such as Japanese that do not do well with machine translators in the first place. I have a friend that tried playing through KKK with an autotranslator, and got gems like Yato being a cell of Hajun from the bot.

As someone who plays a lot of MTL games, let me tell you that they absolutely struggle with Japanese, to the point that the narrative can sometimes split in two completely different narratives due to how bad the translation is. MTL poetry exist as a term for a reason

Moreover, Shinza... gets retconned quite often, iirc Masada has retconned what the Naraka is 3 times already, so you would need someone that is familiar with his more recent works as well

DontTalkDT said:
That needs translations for the non-translated scans.
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Tbh I would argue that we need at least, what, 3-5 people that have a good understanding of Japanese that have also read the original material. Spacebattles actually has several users like that on the Shinza megathread iirc, so you can try asking them for help here
 
MrBallins said:
The usage of MTL is absolutely ******* moronic, especially for languages such as Japanese that do not do well with machine translators in the first place. I have a friend that tried playing through KKK with an autotranslator, and got gems like Yato being a cell of Hajun from the bot.
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This is literally impossible lets start with that but we are not really using MTL here, but we have a translator
MrBallins said:
As someone who plays a lot of MTL games, let me tell you that they absolutely struggle with Japanese, to the point that the narrative can sometimes split in two completely different narratives due to how bad the translation is. MTL poetry exist as a term for a reason

Moreover, Shinza... gets retconned quite often, iirc Masada has retconned what the Naraka is 3 times already, so you would need someone that is familiar with his more recent works as well
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Well first the Narakas were never retconned not even once, they were literally introduced in K3, more was said about them in DI pantheon and then mroe in Avesta, nothing about them was retconned, I do not know where you are seeing thins
MrBallins said:
Tbh I would argue that we need at least, what, 3-5 people that have a good understanding of Japanese that have also read the original material. Spacebattles actually has several users like that on the Shinza megathread iirc, so you can try asking them for help here
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here is what the most knowledgeable person on shinza that I know has to say about vs wiki in space battles
They are too busy crying about Pantheon's cancellation to notice that the series continues and has moved onto greener pastures. I'd be damned if, what, 3 users there know Avesta even exists. That's the level of giving a shit and "accuracy" you should expect of them. But they care about more stuff than just "Lol this is broken" and "lol powerlevels", or at least that's what they say. My two cents: if you aren't keeping up with a series with readily available info in English, no matter how much you claim there is not (because some users, me in between them, make quite the effort so this is the case, despite said new content being behind a ******* paywall), and the most you do is spent your time in some wiki arguing powerlevels, upgrades and downgrades... call me crazy, but it sounds like you don't care about the series. That's the level of the "fanbase" there.

The only hot shit on that site is making gross misinterpretations of shit from KKK, obviously through the filter of Machine Translators (oh, but don't you dare call them out, they'll begin crying), trying to fit them into their shitty tiering system while also getting important lore related stuff massively wrong. And they'd do this either to wank or downplay stuff for whatever reasons each user has. Oh, and never forget the absolutely meme "1-A Mercurius laugh" or multiversal Briah Machina because of the aftereffects of Lui's death. Or Gigaversal+++ Longinus for Kemono-dono as an Apostle. Right now, there seems to be some absolute c**t in there who, on top of lying about certain users who regularly post in this forum, claims Singularity (absolute nothingness) has "realms" (whatever this is) within it and that Yakou's dimensional dislocations in KKK are some kind of cosmology size indicator for some reason.

The site itself is also, IMO, the most relevant cause of lots of powerlevel obsessed r**s flocking to this series in search of that and nothing more, while giving not a single **** about the story, and it's also the salt source of another handful who hate the series for nothing more than battleboard salt.
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Yes and he is someone that used to be here
another one of them said this
This really isn't the place to discuss whatever Omega lul shit is happening on another website.
And after much laugh (we've seen that thread, ******* hilarious by the way), we elitists assh*les, couldn't care less about those twats and the shit they're swimming in (somehow being able to consume a media in an eastern language makes you an elitist).

Yes, Avesta of Black and White exists
Yes, it is important to the Shinza serie
No, you can't cherry pick and ignore it if you follow the serie
No, it isn't a spin-off like boruto or like some twat over there considering KKK like an arc from Naruto (laughed so hard)
If you want to ignore it, then ignore Paradise Lost, Kajiri Kamui Kagura and Aditya who is around the corner too
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So I really wILL not give two ***** about them since they really do not like it here due to the former shinza fans and well I came after most them left the wiki so I know they are not referring to me but still it sucks for them to say this, and we have 3 people with knowledge in japanese and have read the OG materials, 3 and a half if you add @Tarang123
 
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Antvasima said:
So what needs to be evaluated here exactly, and what do you all have in mind for its tiering?
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The main premise is in the OP highlighting that the points used for deletion a few years ago are now unusable due to the reasons provided by Pain, plus DT suggested a cosmology blog to better complement the thread which Pain is already working on.
PrinceofPein said:
Then if people will give us 48hrs, we can complete it 24hrs, then we will probably argue on it and decide in the next 24 so yes 48hrs.
I will post the blogs
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Dereck03 said:
The main premise is in the OP highlighting that the points used for deletion a few years ago are now unusable due to the reasons provided by Pain, plus DT suggested a cosmology blog to better complement the thread which Pain is already working on.
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Okay. Which reasons would that be then?

Also, is it fine if I unsubscribe from this thread until the cosmology blog has been written?
 
Antvasima said:
So what needs to be evaluated here exactly, and what do you all have in mind for its tiering?
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The series itself was deleted from the wiki based off it being judged that adequate profiles couldn't be made. However, as of now the supporters are of the opinion that the time and effort needed to make the profiles adequate is avaliable.
 
Dereck03 said:
They are in the OP in Quotes and just below Pain's response
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Everything12 said:
The series itself was deleted from the wiki based off it being judged that adequate profiles couldn't be made. However, as of now the supporters are of the opinion that the time and effort needed to make the profiles adequate is avaliable.
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Okay. Thank you for the replies. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

And what about that there are no official English translations of these stories?
 
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