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Shinza banshou discussion thread~Revival~
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PrinceofPein
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Also since monads are 0, let Naraka wanks begin
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monads are 1 actually in philosophy
Greek metaphysics believed that 1 is the supreme number because it is singular and simple, and all numbers that come after it is subordinate to it and dependent on it as their foundation including infinity itself. Basically divine simplicity as it confirms god is just one part.
Even in neoplatonism they call god as "The One" because it is a solution to the problem of one over many
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I mean tier 0 not 0 as a number
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I just remembered that Yuri downgraded transduality for Gods saying all the Twilight Beach statements were "flowery text" (which I don't really see), so that's something we should anticipate needing to counter (or we could use other justifications like Mitra's statements).
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The fact that Taiji exist in KKK makes the gods transduality even solid.
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Funny but shinza uses neoplatonic ideas a lot, albit not effectively.
Eg Emanation, which is a neoplatonic term where creation flows out of the one aka a more refined idea of the pythageorean monad. Shinza gods emanate and flow taikyoku from themselves . And neoplatonism is one of the most well known ideas of divine simplicity. Sounds similar?
Eg Emanation, which is a neoplatonic term where creation flows out of the one aka a more refined idea of the pythageorean monad. Shinza gods emanate and flow taikyoku from themselves . And neoplatonism is one of the most well known ideas of divine simplicity. Sounds similar?
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Technically yes(btw left Shinza so won't answer much)
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Why did you leave?
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I noticed that I focused more on shinza rather than my Bible study and it kept leading me away from it for months, so I decided to leave and now I effectively study the Bible with more efficiency and with more free time
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Okay bro, take care.
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The new Tiering System FAQ rough draft is here.
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I figured these points would be relevant:
Ultima Reality/i h
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Not just space it has to be ALL definitions of space and time if u want 1-A.
Ngl it reminded me how ppl were all wacky on the fact that taiji was about being above near infinite concepts = having some concepts its not above which was wrong.
i̶f̶ o̶n̶l̶y̶ t̶h̶e̶ b̶i̶b̶l̶e̶ w̶a̶s̶ a̶ d̶u̶m̶m̶i̶e̶s̶ g̶u̶i̶d̶e̶ t̶o̶ b̶e̶i̶n̶g̶ a̶ g̶o̶d̶ s̶m̶f̶h̶
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C̶o̶n̶v̶e̶r̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ s̶e̶e̶m̶s̶ l̶e̶g̶i̶t̶.
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oh yeah, i think the ultimate goal of hinduism is to merge with and become the parabrahman (aka apophatic and divinely simple )
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And interestingly, Hadou and Gudou Gods are immutable (Unchangeable) like Monad
神は不変であり、その在り方を変える事で神に至る者はあれど、神になってから変節する者は基本的にいない。
何があっても終始一貫して不変であり、人のような情動はない。
God is unchanging, and while there are those who reach God by changing their ways of being, there are basically none who change their ways after becoming God.
No matter what happens, he remains unchanging from beginning to end and has no emotions like a human being.
Even Singularity is immutable
特異点で起きた事象は原則として、世界に影響を及ぼさないので当代の神が座で殺害されても世界の魂が道連れにならない
As a general rule, events that occur in the Singularity do not affect the world, so even if the god of the day is killed in the Throne, the souls of the world will not go with him.
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Well, let me read the tier 0 thread
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Yes, unfortunately we cannot scale gods to tier 0 but i can say with certainty that Masada wanted every god to be completely boundless or omnipotent. Gods have almost all the attributes of an almighty God. Gods are the immutable sources of creation and contain everything in an undifferentiated form. While creation is their manifestation, they are completely beyond it. Gods reside in a colorless place which is a void outside of creation. The gods were even addressed as omnipotent several times in the story. Even Judeo-Christian God symbols were used for Marie. The problem is that Masada was not a power scaler or a philsopher and therefore some of the attributes he gave to the gods conflicted with omnipotence. It can be said that the Almighty God for Masada was religious God who still has some kind of personality and feelings, not philosophical God
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most of the pages are ready including avesta, we are waiting for the tiering system revision to be done so we can create a thread
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F̶a̶m̶ h̶a̶v̶i̶n̶g̶ a̶ d̶u̶m̶m̶y̶ g̶u̶i̶d̶e̶s̶ t̶o̶ b̶e̶i̶n̶g̶ a̶ g̶o̶d̶ t̶h̶r̶o̶u̶g̶h̶ i̶n̶s̶a̶n̶i̶t̶y̶ i̶s̶ t̶h̶e̶ b̶e̶s̶t̶ w̶a̶y̶ t̶o̶ b̶e̶ o̶n̶e̶.
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Great job. Are the Dies Irae pages the same old pages? In my opinion, there was no problem with them, except tiering
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Not at all, I messed it up while backing it up, should have copied it from the source code but copied it directly, so the whole thing got scattered. So I had to redo it but using the scattered page as a guide for the PnL.
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I hope you can make avesta profiles well
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Those are the only profiles left in progress
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Could you share the already completed profiles?
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You will get to see them soon
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What do you think about this old thread that turned into a battleground? Shouldn't I repeat it in a better way? Personally, I am still thinking about Base Reinhard, and Methuselah AP and Durability.
It seems that this feat in which Gladsheim's blast could turn a country of unknown size into ash is calculated as Low 6-B+. But Methuselah easily reflected blast back to Gladsheim, and it was said that short battle between Gladsheim and Methuselah was just a test of power and blast couldn't even damage Glasheim enough to destroy one of the souls inside.
Then it was said that Gladsheim energy was comparable to the most historic earthquakes in history, and that Gladsheim made this energy just by running. We can scale Gladsheim's earthquake to 1585 Aleutian Islands earthquake (Magnitude 9.25), 1730 Valparaíso earthquake (Magnitude 9.1-9.3), 1737 Kamchatka earthquake (Magnitude 9-9.3), making Reinhard and Methuselah at least 6-B+, likely far higher.
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Nvm, now that I checked again, I saw that it is said that the dark regions are part of Methuselah and they move with him, so each of Methuselah's nights is really equivalent to half of the earth and Methuselah has novemdecillion nights. So maybe 3-A is actually correct tier?
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Welcome to the light. Anyway, only beriah reinhard should scale since that was the only way he could have harmed him
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Are we sure about this? The only time Reinhard damaged Methuselah was after he had already been wounded to the point of death due to Wilhelm's plan. And I'm not going to lie, but I don't remember anywhere that Reinhard was mentioned as a possible match for him.
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I had forgotten that one scan but the main problem I've had with it in the past is that 5-A and 3-A Methuselah are accepted on the basis that each night is equivalent to the destruction of half the planet, yet this feat is actually based on hax, not AP. If I want to be strict, the fact that it was said that the dark regions are part of Methuselah and move with him is also ambiguous, and it can only mean that the darkness of those regions moves, not the whole region, so I would actually prefer tier 6 for Reinhard and Methuselah. Anyway, I don't think I'll make a thread for Reinhard and Methuselah tier again, because the previous thread gave me so much stress.
I Believe that Base Reinhard will be just as powerful as Bri'ah Reinhard or extremely close to it; Bri'ah is activated and maintained by burning only a few souls / a small amount of power, yet Base Reinhard also has millions of souls that he can easily use in different forms (Spiritual Armor, Attack, Hax and etc); We also saw in the Wilhelm fight that if an Apostle wanted to, they could even manipulate and burn all their souls at Assiah level with every attack; and we saw Reinhard destroy Methuselah with one single blast from LLT; We also saw later that Yetzirah Ren and Kai could damage and kill Bri'ah Rusalka, so the gap between Yetzirah and Bri'ah isn't too far.
In fact, it was implied that Methuselah was holding back against Wilhelm throughout the fight and did not use his arcane powers until the last moment. I won't say that he was dying, he still had at least millions of nights that were later destroyed by Reinhard and then Methuselah still survived for minutes and defeated Wilhelm in combat. It was said that Reinhard could break Methuselah in quality, quantity and status
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