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Shinza banshou discussion thread~Revival~

PrinceofPein said:
Does anyone have the complete Glossary of Avesta? preferably in Japanese, english too is fine
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If by glossary you mean Avesta (設定集), I have the full version (1-37).
If this is not it, can you tell me what you are referring to?
 
Lmfao I dreamed today that Masada was saying on twitter that KKK was being translated into English؛ And some people were saying that the English translation has flaws and its quality is 50/50 (50% good and 50% bad). It seems that even in dreams we cannot have a proper translation of KKK
 
Infera28 said:
Lmfao I dreamed today that Masada was saying on twitter that KKK was being translated into English. And some people were saying that the English translation has flaws and its quality is 50/50 (50% good and 50% bad). It seems that even in dreams we cannot have a proper translation of KKK
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Also, why those people who always complain about translations were also in my dream
 
Sparteh said:
Just learn JP. It will be faster than waiting for a translation. Rather than k3, do we have any news about Avesta?
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I really love the Masadaverse, but I still don't love it enough to learn one of the most difficult languages in the world to read it

Besides, I don't think humanity is far from creating an AI that can translate Japanese at the same level as humans, look at recent AI developments. Today, artificial intelligence can even write stories, make photos and videos completely similar to reality, recreate the voices of singers, make music, give medical advice like a doctor, draw like real artists, and etc
 
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Hajun's true form, RIP powerscaling community
 
I am trying to explain someone who just finished DI and K3 how gods work in Shinza, but since we don't have profiles here, I can't explain it in an easy way. Maybe someone could help. From what I understand when individuals emanate and give birth to a law, that law transcends all concepts like existence/non-existence, space-time etc. Then the individual itself abandons his/her physical nature and becomes conceptual existence which is basically a will of that law and is remade from that law, basically becoming something like Eternity/Death/Infinity/Oblivion from Marvel, but a higher level, since god laws transcend traditional laws (space, time, life, death etc.)? Is that more or less correct? For example, Mithra is embodiment of all dualistic concepts and if summarized very basically, she is made of such opposing concepts. Applying same to Muzan, he is basically walking mass of sin, Satanel - scientific concepts, Mecurius - fate, Hajun - pure destruction etc.? Is my summary correct?
 
Sparteh said:
I am trying to explain someone who just finished DI and K3 how gods work in Shinza, but since we don't have profiles here, I can't explain it in an easy way. Maybe someone could help. From what I understand when individuals emanate and give birth to a law, that law transcends all concepts like existence/non-existence, space-time etc. Then the individual itself abandons his/her physical nature and becomes conceptual existence which is basically a will of that law and is remade from that law, basically becoming something like Eternity/Death/Infinity/Oblivion from Marvel, but a higher level, since god laws transcend traditional laws (space, time, life, death etc.)? Is that more or less correct? For example, Mithra is embodiment of all dualistic concepts and if summarized very basically, she is made of such opposing concepts. Applying same to Muzan, he is basically walking mass of sin, Satanel - scientific concepts, Mecurius - fate, Hajun - pure destruction etc.? Is my summary correct?
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Yes it is.
 
Sparteh said:
I am trying to explain someone who just finished DI and K3 how gods work in Shinza, but since we don't have profiles here, I can't explain it in an easy way. Maybe someone could help. From what I understand when individuals emanate and give birth to a law, that law transcends all concepts like existence/non-existence, space-time etc. Then the individual itself abandons his/her physical nature and becomes conceptual existence which is basically a will of that law and is remade from that law, basically becoming something like Eternity/Death/Infinity/Oblivion from Marvel, but a higher level, since god laws transcend traditional laws (space, time, life, death etc.)? Is that more or less correct? For example, Mithra is embodiment of all dualistic concepts and if summarized very basically, she is made of such opposing concepts. Applying same to Muzan, he is basically walking mass of sin, Satanel - scientific concepts, Mecurius - fate, Hajun - pure destruction etc.? Is my summary correct?
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More accurately, it should be like to…
Mithra is the set of all dualities and at the same time deviates from all dualities
Satanael - Mathematical science concepts, denial of difference (sin), reason and all = one
Mercurius- Eternal circle, fate, rejection of progress
 
Unqver said:
More accurately, it should be like to…
Mithra is the set of all dualities and at the same time deviates from all dualities
Satanael - Mathematical science concepts, denial of difference (sin), reason and all = one
Mercurius- Eternal circle, fate, rejection of progress
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It was close enough for the explanation. I just failed to explain how Taikyoku falls into all of this. For example. is it generated by gods themselves. What I remembered was that the craving decides its "color".
 
Sparteh said:
It was close enough for the explanation. I just failed to explain how Taikyoku falls into all of this. For example. is it generated by gods themselves. What I remembered was that the craving decides its "color".
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Those who have the qualification of God ———set their own wishes (color) ———the height of color will become Taikyoku when reaching the ultimate
 
How do Shinza gods compare with other high tier characters like Featherine from Umineko, Akuto Sai (Void body) or Oblivion (Marvel)? Especially True Oblivion looks very similar to Shinza gods for me. I would make a VS thread, but we do lack profiles for gods.
 
Sparteh said:
How do Shinza gods compare with other high tier characters like Featherine from Umineko, Akuto Sai (Void body) or Oblivion (Marvel)? Especially True Oblivion looks very similar to Shinza gods for me. I would make a VS thread, but we do lack profiles for gods.
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Personally speaking, they should be roughly in the same range (high outer). As long as the negative theology thread goes through, there’s nothing that can be done to “debunk” Masadaverse below 1-A anymore. From there, I guess it’s a matter of proving R>F between singularity layers, as well as responding to the argument about how gods can’t be scaled reliably above the singularity because its nature changes from era to era (e.g. one God’s singularity could be above another god’s throne).
 
Sparteh said:
How do Shinza gods compare with other high tier characters like Featherine from Umineko, Akuto Sai (Void body) or Oblivion (Marvel)? Especially True Oblivion looks very similar to Shinza gods for me. I would make a VS thread, but we do lack profiles for gods.
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They are pretty much fodder, weakest VN so far
 
Sparteh said:
How do Shinza gods compare with other high tier characters like Featherine from Umineko, Akuto Sai (Void body) or Oblivion (Marvel)? Especially True Oblivion looks very similar to Shinza gods for me. I would make a VS thread, but we do lack profiles for gods.
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I hope the profiles for Shinza will be created properly and accurately as soon as possible, then we can start opening vst, but it really seems like it will take a long time.
 
ProfectusInfinity said:
as well as responding to the argument about how gods can’t be scaled reliably above the singularity because its nature changes from era to era (e.g. one God’s singularity could be above another god’s throne).
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Is there really a need to answer this argument? If what you are talking about is something like the Singularity of the next generations being deeper than the Throne of the previous ones and therefore the previous generations cannot literally scale to the singularity of the next generations, I don't quite see how this would be a problem for 1-A or any scaling. In fact, it's not even a problem in the first place.

The Singularity of the 5th Heaven is by far deeper than the Throne of Mercury, but that doesn't stop him from scaling the singularity of the 5th Heaven. Or that the singularity of the 6th Heaven is very, very deep, even compared to previous generations, and yet Yato (who is far weaker than Hajun) is still able to dive down to the last hole. Or the fact that even Kaikhosru and Sirius, who are weaker than Mithra, plan to fight each other for the Throne and reach the God(dess) by creating a hole in creation, shows that the lower valued gods can reach the end of the singularity regardless of its depth and that depth is completely non-issue for them. Which, by that logic, when Marie took the Throne after Mercurius, her reign should not have been able to handle the singularity of the 4th Heaven, as she would have been weaker than Mercury.
 
Memonto_Mori said:
I hope the profiles for Shinza will be created properly and accurately as soon as possible, then we can start opening vst, but it really seems like it will take a long time.
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I agree, but I doubt it will happen any time soon. Especially newer profiles like Avesta's. Though, part 1 of Avesta VN should be released this month. Anyway, when the profiles are up, I will definitely make a vs thread for it. For example, Ootake vs Sukuna.
 
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