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don't take too much pressure bro..these things can wait...
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Shinza banshou discussion thread~Revival~
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Easier way would just use the canvas itself. Show that while the picture is different, the canvas remains relatively unchanged in terms of ontological size. Then show the stuff of higher dimensions, which you could use to get it to 1A. But that's not something to worry about for rn.
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BTW guys, why do we assume that a realm that is above any number of spatial dimensions added to a finite dimensional realm is 1-A? i mean, it could be aleph 0 (High 1-B), or aleph-1(Low 1-A) as well, why do we take it as aleph-2?
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hell yeah. Music in shinza is underrated. It could easily be a great anime theme song.
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It is a hole in the paper but it's not a part of reality. Paper is not reality, everything painted on the paper becomes reality. It was stated that singularity is not a painting but rather a hole on the Paper, painting refers to world of foreknowledge aka the real multiverse. All these higher dimensional ***** is a part of painting whereas Singularity isn't.
All of this is implied in dies Irae, dk how you missed it...
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The canvas and Creation are the exact same thing. The multiverse/universe is the multiverse.
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Canvas is the word used for paper in English version of DI. JP calls it a paper and everything painting on it creation.
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Even the english version calls it a paper. I was mainly referring to K3's vocabulary for it and the anime's. Even then, it's still the same kind of idea.
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Oh then it's fine. And yes they're the same thing.
Basically :
1- Paper is the stage.
2- Painting done on it becomes Reality and all this *****
3- Singularity is not a painting but a hole on the paper itself.
4- throne is above the stage itself and gods sit on it to govern the events on Paper.
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Obviously I was replying to you saying something that has no business with what I was saying
You : But The Singularity is not a part of the multiversal expansion. its size or it's nature does not changes depending on how big or small the multiverse is.
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What he's trying to say is that the singularity isn't part of the picture, and as such the multiverse's expansion has no effect to it due to its ontological size being superior to that of even the canvas itself.
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And I was asking how that relates to me saying the gods are above any expansion done to the painting on the paper
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It was a response to your "only gods" comment. He was pointing out that the singularity also has this kind of function.
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Besides, the downgrade/upgrade that Pain made already pointed out that without adequate strength, one can't cross the singularity without certain conditions.
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That's indeed true
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No that's not what I said, I just said
"Gods are above any expansion done to the multiverse"
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U : any god can cross the Singularity
Me : no that's not true
U : the point is, all gods transcend the multiverse and its expansion
Me : but that wouldn't apply to expansion on the Singularity because it isn't a part of multiverse.
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i always thought that singularity is the paper itself, the canvas where everything is painted upon.
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What I mean is any good can go into the singularity, not into the throne
Like cross from the multiverse into the singularity.
Yes the singularity is like the blank canvas where the painting happens
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Singularity is very weird tbh it is referred to those who are disconnected to a Hadou god's law example Gudou gods, it's a place where nothing exists and all that.
No singularity isn't the paper its ON the paper.
Edit : it has more to it but this is the most basic stuff.
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The singularity is a hole on paper.
https://gyazo.com/4abbfaa7ce13459428ef4a2c13f582c5
シャンバラの方陣が消失する。 産道は弾け飛び、ついに窮屈な檻から放たれた死人の世界が、爆発的に広がりだす。 それを阻止せんと、停止の世界もさらに強まり── 高まる覇道と覇道の閲ぎ合いは、ここに臨界を超えた。
This talks about the nature of the law painting between Ren and Reinhard
https://gyazo.com/937039197a53cb312e9096f19126f81b
そう、臨界を超えたらどうなるか。 これを一枚の紙に例えてみよう。 そこには現在、 “既知”という絵が描かれている。 その一角、シャンバラという地域限定で、停止”という色と“死人”という色が領土を争いながら重ね塗りを続けているのだ。 この二色には、性質上の違いがある。 “停止”は色鉛筆で、“死人”は絵の具。しかも“チューブ”から直塗りしている絵の具だと思えばいい。 その産道 (チューブ) が、いま弾けた。 色鉛筆の塗り速度に対抗するため、絵の具は産道 (チューブ) が邪魔だったのである。
This talks about the making of the hole.
https://gyazo.com/67701106bfbd2cee93bae149a3c4fa94
結果、何がどうなるか。 強い筆圧や度を超えた重ね塗りは、絵を完成させる前に紙そのものへ穴を開ける。 そう、穴が開くのだ。臨界を突破するとはそういうこと。 それはなんと定義するべきだろう。 紙の上にありながら、絵ではないし色でもない。 すなわち、世界の特異点。
It's a hole on paper, but is not part of the picture, nor does it have a color. It's appropriate to call it a singularity of the world.
https://gyazo.com/eb6a856f08286e8733bc2fd211747ee6
穴の大きさは不明。 シャンバラ全体を飲み込んだか、それともその外まで弾けたか、あるいは針の先ほどか。 不明だが、ともかく特異点は生じたのだ。 そしてそこに、この事態を引き起こした当事者全員が落ちていく。 では、紙の下にあるのは何か?
The size is unknown. It could be larger than the entirety of shambala or smaller than the tip of a needle. What is under the paper.
https://gyazo.com/c18d344fb0efd6d51faa50a19543ff17
「ようこそ──」 穴の向こうにあるのは此処。 今や完全な白紙状態。何色も存在せず、何色にもなれる此処こそが、最終的な決着の場として相応しい。 「新世界へ。今、我々が総ての中心にある」 では、最後の恐怖劇 (グランギニョル) を始めようか。
What lay beyond the hole is this place. This is now a completely blank slate. There existed no colors, yet it could be any color at all.
You can watch this vid if you want.
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The word singularity is extremely vague, but the basic stuff is that its "something" that doesn't follow the Throne God's law
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Yeah. One of the basic thing is that everything which is called singularity doesn't follows the laws of godhead. Other than that we have different singularities, but this one thing remains common.
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I saw this guy on discord who genuinely believed that Gudou Gods were above Hadou Gods...like, what?
Gudou, by definition, cannot beat Hadou. This is due to soul count, along with a bunch of other factors. That's literally why the only time they did beat a Hadoshin was when they (mostly Habaki) were getting amped to 11 by Hajun. That's literally why the weak af shades of previous gods were able to give them trouble. But whatever, most people aren't like that.
Gudou, by definition, cannot beat Hadou. This is due to soul count, along with a bunch of other factors. That's literally why the only time they did beat a Hadoshin was when they (mostly Habaki) were getting amped to 11 by Hajun. That's literally why the weak af shades of previous gods were able to give them trouble. But whatever, most people aren't like that.
