-
This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.
For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here. -
We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.
Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.
Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page. -
Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.
Shinza banshou discussion thread~Revival~
- Thread starter Grand_Saver_Ritsuka
- Start date
-
- Tags
- shinza banshou
- 4,524
- 2,242
In the upgrade that Pain launched, he said something about the Throne's inaccessibility to the higher dimensions of Sefirot, which I don't think is quite accurate
「第五元素(クウィンテセンス)を埋め込むことで、径(パス)から高次のセフィラへと干渉できる。とはいえ大罪を宿す私では、アビスの重力に引かれて王冠までは行けないが……」
It describes it as being because of the "weight" or gravity of Satanael's sin that pulls him from reaching the highest dimension, Keter. I just wanted to point that out
「第五元素(クウィンテセンス)を埋め込むことで、径(パス)から高次のセフィラへと干渉できる。とはいえ大罪を宿す私では、アビスの重力に引かれて王冠までは行けないが……」
It describes it as being because of the "weight" or gravity of Satanael's sin that pulls him from reaching the highest dimension, Keter. I just wanted to point that out
PrinceofPein
Username Only- 9,100
- 6,037
I said inaccessible to to non-gods, Sataniel is a God full of muzan crap
- 4,524
- 2,242
It blatantly states that because of the gravity of his own sin, he's being pulled down and is unable to actually reach keter.
- 4,524
- 2,242
Also, satanael is a human that has a crap ton of sin. Not a god until the end where he removed all his sin and became a god to challenge muzan. Obviously, that was retconned, but pantheon gives no explanation as to what happened, so paralost is by far the most reliable thing to go off.
PrinceofPein
Username Only- 9,100
- 6,037
Same reason humans can't ascend to any of the higher dimensions is due to their sins, satanael is different gods are decided from.birth he reached the abyss the dumpster for the throne and took up mizan sins there and hence he could not reach the actual throne
No he was a God prior, he was creating beings without sins, it was later on that he himself was able to remove his own sins through a time.paradox which he created hence he took the throne.
- 4,524
- 2,242
Satanael wasn’t always a god, tho. Similar to how the EE weren’t always gods.
90% sure he was a human. Him retconning himself is what led to him being a god. Otherwise, him having sin wouldn’t logically make sense.
PrinceofPein
Username Only- 9,100
- 6,037
Wow so a human can contest for the throne?
Mad mad
- 4,524
- 2,242
When did I say that? Read my messages again. He had to first paradox himself out of existence, remove all traces of his sin, and then challenge muzan for the throne.
PrinceofPein
Username Only- 9,100
- 6,037
The reason why I don't bother replying you is because you have not even read PL, so it is pointless.
He never challenged muzan for the throne btw.
1. Sataniel was born with the greatest sin a sin so powerful he could directly open the gate to the abyss
2. Sataniel was never really a normal human, humans don't live for thousands of years, create a space of his own free from the rest of the world, created beings without sins e.t.c. and he draws power directly from the abyss the dumpster of the throne due too how great his sin was
3. People who will ascend are already decided from birth.
4. Point 1,2 and 3. Throne was inaccessible to everyone including sataniel the only thing he had access to was the dumpster for the throne
Now I won't be replying anything I deem wrong again
- 4,524
- 2,242
He did, tho…not anymore cause it’s retconned, but he did in paraLost.
Don’t quintessence users have really long lifespans, not sure why a thousand years goes against that.
Agreed, but they aren’t gods at birth.
Can you show scans or something? Cause simply speaking and shit isn’t enough. I think others would also enjoy scans as well.
- 4,524
- 2,242
I have, but a while ago, so I’m reading it again. Also, idk how you read the txt files for k3 cause that’s ridiculously cluttered and messy. I think it’s better to play the actual game.
PrinceofPein
Username Only- 9,100
- 6,037
Retconned means not anymor
Quintessence users are not humans they are angels and anti angels, the only human who ever possessed quintessence in his DNA was sataniel
But they have been decided to challenge the throne and reach the throne through whichever method they will, sataniel is this case
Been long, but it is pretty early on after the start of PL when the way to reach Judecca was being explained
The file got messed up due to the way I sent it.
- 4,524
- 2,242
They gave no explanation in pantheon tbh.
So you’re admitting that he’s human? Gg.
That doesn’t mean they can do it without being a god lmao, they might not be able to even after being a god.
can you show scans of it?
Oh…I’ll still read k3 over the files tbh. There are still some things missing from the file. Thx for sending it to me.
Also, yato reaching the bottom is irrelevant when all shiori and soujirou did was pick up where yato left off to break the last wall, which was the dimensional space referred to at that time.
- 4,060
- 1,713
- Thread starter
- #1,258
Sounds like some 1-A shit.
- 4,524
- 2,242
Probably wouldn’t be enough. I’ve gathered evidence for 1A, but I likely won’t be making a crt for it.
- 455
- 215
Is that just debunking 1-B reasons and using the previous 1-A stuff or this is something new.
- 4,060
- 1,713
- Thread starter
- #1,262
- 455
- 215
Naruhodo
PrinceofPein
Username Only- 9,100
- 6,037
In PL.it was simple he was recreated with no sin
Of course hajun was also born human
Too much hard work to go through PL again, Japanese is not my first or second language I learned it for masada
Anyway in the other series, KKK and dies irae there are also thousands of scans of the throne inaccessible to anyone not a god
No problem
Of course what I was showing was the singularity has layers
Nope not exactly
Btw for immeasurable speed, Quinn dodged Frederica attacks from the future is that immeasurable speed?
- 7,142
- 4,658
Well if you don't put the adequate amount of effort and create either a unstructured mess that no one takes seriously or don't even create one at all. Then yeah this will be the case.
- 455
- 215
No one other than a god can even open the path to it, let alone enter the main realm.
- 4,524
- 2,242
I'm not talking about Paralost, in Paralost he literally goes to kill Muzan. In Pantheon they retcon it and he just paradoxes Muzan. They didn't further explain it, which was what I was referring to.
Of course
Yeah...I think Umy already pointed it out, but it could simply be another higher dimension and whatnot.
Of course, but I was just pointing out that the "layers" seemed to have dimensional walls rather than actually being dimensional in nature.
If the verse doesn't get deleted, why shouldn't we revise the verse?
Even some gods can't really reach it, so...
Some new stuff, but again I'm probably not even going to use it.
...you must be psychic or something.
PrinceofPein
Username Only- 9,100
- 6,037
- 455
- 215
He said throne and not singularity.
Now about the Singularity bit, no. Not all of them can cross it and reach the throne.
PrinceofPein
Username Only- 9,100
- 6,037
The entire point is, only gods transcends the multiverse and whatever expansion it has.
- 455
- 215
But The Singularity is not a part of the multiversal expansion. its size or it's nature does not changes depending on how big or small the multiverse is.
- 4,524
- 2,242
Any god can reach singularity, not the Throne
I'm just saying, but more evidence for 1A is technically required.
- 4,524
- 2,242
Well, it does have size changes which K3 does talk about, but yeah it's not directly linked with the multiverse at all.
PrinceofPein
Username Only- 9,100
- 6,037
Is the singularity a part of the creation or the canvas?
- 4,524
- 2,242
it's under the canvas, or beyond it in some sense. It's a canvas for the gods, but itself is treated like a hole through the canvas
PrinceofPein
Username Only- 9,100
- 6,037
Other than the creation can accommodate higher dimensions and the thrones and their singularity will be above an expansion of the creation?
- 7,142
- 4,658
Don't start again you two!!! (Also that didn't read at all like sarcasm)
PrinceofPein
Username Only- 9,100
- 6,037
Anyway what I am saying is
The creation can accommodate higher dimensions as shown and stated.
The throne will always be above any expansion of the creation as shown and stated also
That is the textbook definition of 1A
If you need help getting PL scans, just tell me the part you need maybe tomorrow I will help with that if I am free
The creation can accommodate higher dimensions as shown and stated.
The throne will always be above any expansion of the creation as shown and stated also
That is the textbook definition of 1A
If you need help getting PL scans, just tell me the part you need maybe tomorrow I will help with that if I am free
