Shin Megami Tensei Discussion Thread: III - Maniax Edition

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I can wait for the updates.

 

[Ionliosite]

Hey, do we have a collective 2-A scaling chain here anywhere or are we waiting for that to exist too?

User blog:Ultima Reality/Shin Megami Tensei Explanation Blog is the closest we have to that, but it's pretty outdated.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Read it before, yikes. I'll try to help out with these revisions.

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

Same, i think i got the 2-A scaling fairly downpacked. For starters who do you all see as the strongest non infinite 2-A?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I thought you said nearly downgraded and I nearly choked. Anyways, isn't it Ouroboros Maia?

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

Nah, she's one of the weakest actually

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I also read that wrong, lol, thought you meant weakest. Strongest... uhhh, I'm not sure. Isn't it Satan?

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

Satan is the strongest avatar of YHVH and contends with Lucifer. So nah. I think the strongest would be like Polaris and Babel (But we don't have a profile for Babel)

 

[Ionliosite]

Satan is Low 1-C.

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

There's also something with the IV Archangels.There's consistently shown for the order of them to be Uriel<<<Raphael<<Gabriel<<<<<<<Michael

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Polaris? Why so? Also, didn't the Shining One beat him?

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

Polaris is a girl, and she thicc But it'd be for her feat of being way above Beelzebub and Shiva. Not only for having full control of them in the multiverse and can wipe them from the timeline like a head of Kagutsuchi can. But can fight the entire DeSu cast who can kill Beelzy while putting in little effort

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Keep forgetting she is. And makes sense. So Polaris is our strongest 2-A?

 

[Ionliosite]

Strongest non-infinitely above baseline one, yeah.

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

Currently on site, yes. But FYI Babel has an impressive feat as well. Babel is the strongest aspect of Bel before being absorbed by Abel to become the Ovelord. After Abel beat Belberith who absorbed Baal Babel recreated Belial, Beldr (And Beldr even retained it's invincibility on top of that) Jezebel, Beelzebub and Belberith all boosted up to well Belberith's level then fought Abel (So i guess Abel is strongest non 2-A but besides that) So Babel is also quite powerful

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

So it's Babel=<Polaris?

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

I'd say Babel is stronger since Baal>>>>Beelzebub (And Beelzebub was probably power amped in DeSu).

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Probably or likely?

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

Lucifer says he gave "him" power. He was either referring to Belberith or Beelzebub. But i'd sa more like..ly hims since he got a name change. But either way Belberith>>>>>Beelzebub so that's just a bit of icing on the 2-A cake

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

So what would the chain of these characters look like atm?

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

All of them? Or just the ones mentioned?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

All of the ones mentioned, because I'm starting to lose track.

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

Something like this

Jezebel<<<<Belial<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Beelzebub<<<<<Baal<<Belberith<<<<<<<<Polaris<<<<<<Babel

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Should we use mags like they do with the Persona scaling chain?

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

Ya know, that's a great idea Bandit. Especially since SMT's is way larger. We could probably even add new magnitudes

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

Magnitude 6=Can one shot the enemy several times over with ease or could even defeat small armies of them.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

0 = Roughly comparable.

1 = Close decisive victory.

2 = Easy decisive victory.

3 = Borderline stomp. Win in 10 hits or less.

4 = Stomp. Win in 5 hits or less.

5+ = One-shot.

Here's what Solacis used.

 

[Ionliosite]

Ok, even with the outdated scaling on the blog, you'll get a really long thing there.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

But is that really so bad?

 

[Ionliosite]

That scale is not WRONG, just incomplete, missing like a dozen of characters, so idk.

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

I would say a bit is wrong to be honest. And even some of our profiles are still wrong like Abel being above Merkabah

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Why is he below?

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

My bad. Not sure if i'd say he's neccisarily below just yet. It's just its assumptious to put him above Merkabah for Abel battling The Four Archangels and Metatron. True Merkabah was created by the fusion of the archangels and Jonathan but it's because they absorbed Jonathan's mind\soul therefore his qualia which is used for magnetitie a.k.a Observation. Metatron and the Angels did nothing of the sort

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I see I see,. Makes sense.

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

Also, is anyone here knowledgable on all of Demi-Fiend's tiers?

 

[Ionliosite]

As in, the current justification to them?

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

That and or just how you see them in general, like his feat on defeating Matador.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Nope, not at all. Probably ask MYHERO.

 

[Ionliosite]

Well, the Aeros feat seems fine, I don't know what else could that be scaled to. Matador and Thor seem fine-ish, althought I'm actually amazed Matador is only Low 2-C. The Archangels is 2-A, can't argue against it. Defeating Kagutsuchi and Metatron is pretty big jump from the last key, but still on the same tier. Then there's Luci, whose tier is in and for itself complicated since we're basically assuming he can defeat Satan while at the same time saying he's much weaker than him, and that whole fighting YHVH thing should be removed tbh.

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

I do agree with the last point since we can't confirm if he won or lost at all with fighting Yawheh. And how strong do you see Lucifer as?