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No? If he can't generate his own thrust then he can't push against a force that applies to his own limbs.Mmmm, would Mash kicking his legs midair push against a telekinetic force?
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No? If he can't generate his own thrust then he can't push against a force that applies to his own limbs.Mmmm, would Mash kicking his legs midair push against a telekinetic force?
What would "generating his own thrust" look like though? Im having problems visualizing.No? If he can't generate his own thrust then he can't push against a force that applies to his own limbs.
Like, physically move himself across the air like Superman. Not jump against air or the ground.What would "generating his own thrust" look like though? Im having problems visualizing.
Ah, like Superman.....Like, physically move himself across the air like Superman. Not jump against air or the ground.
Nah, Mob's got the infinity dripMash has the better haircut and drip though
Damn you're right, that shirt solos fictionNah, Mob's got the infinity drip
Weirdly enough it'd probably be a stomp due to his Sleep ManipulationI wonder if Mash vs Toichiro can work
The cons of supporting a character who's a pure brawler.Weirdly enough it'd probably be a stomp due to his Sleep Manipulation
I feel you man, my go-to character is a robot boy who punches hard and has a lazer, nothing else really besides that which prevent most of his matchupsThe cons of supporting a character who's a pure brawler.
Maybe when IZ or Wahlberg get a profile it could be fun
Telekenisis lift and blasting Mash with psychic energy. Also busting his eyes and ears, maybe twisting him like a pretzel.Oh no no no, I Will not let this happen
What are the main arguments?
Because Mash would only be able to escape being lifted up into the air by having Superman style flight it seemsAnd how exactly is this possible when Mash is able to contract his muscles and increase their density with Class Z LS?
This does not answer why Mash couldnt move his legs, and therefore fly. The only thing Mob could do is to make Mash float, that's all. This is not a reason. Literally, top tier wizards are able to blow up people's insides with telekinesis and passively reflect attacks, something that never works with MashWithout being able to generating thrust, when moved into the air with telekinesis the only thing that'd matter is your own weight. Which wouldn't be an issue for Mob.
Mash will simply dodge and then attack. You have no idea how broken this son of a bitch is in terms of skill and dodging. Mash scales way above Doom in terms of analytical prediction before his reaction evolution, someone who is able to learn and analyze a technique after seeing it only once and then know exactly what to do to counter it, Doom even learned how to reflect an entire danmaku with a single movement, the same danmaku that was able to cover an entire city and a army that was attacking the same.???% can just absorb energy from the environment to supplement his own while attacking, blast him with energy or develop new powers based on those he's once seen to deal with him.
If his method of flight is generating force against the air via movement then he'll be unable to do that. Again, he has no way to leverage his lifting strength if he can't generate force independently at all. He can have Universal LS for all I care but his weight would still be very easy to throw around.This does not answer why Mash couldnt move his legs, and therefore fly. The only thing Mob could do is to make Mash float, that's all. This is not a reason. Literally, top tier wizards are able to blow up people's insides with telekinesis and passively reflect attacks, something that never works with Mash
Good thing this isn't that relevant when Mob has very massive AoE blasts as well. Like, this isn't gonna come down to a hand to hand or drawn out melee. ???% will try turning him into a pretzel, failing that will blast him with energy after trapping him in a forcefield. Somehow failing that just nuke the entire surrounding landscape until it sticks. And failing even that, likely just chuck the landscape he's on to orbit like what base Mob would've done to Psycho Helmet.Mash will simply dodge and then attack. You have no idea how broken this son of a bitch is in terms of skill and dodging. Mash scales way above Doom in terms of analytical prediction before his reaction evolution, someone who is able to learn and analyze a technique after seeing it only once and then know exactly what to do to counter it, Doom even learned how to reflect an entire danmaku with a single movement, the same danmaku that was able to cover an entire city and a army that was attacking the same.
Mash can dodge discs that follow his movements, dodge an experienced swordsman's attack at close range even though all of his body movements are limited, analyze a danmaku of insects and predict the trajectory of each and how they will hit his opponents in a strategically way, knew how to reflect a danmaku of 1000 attacks just by seeing it once, turning a danmaku that was completely deadly to Mash before into something useless because he had already seen the attack once, etc etc etc.
You can't tell people not to vote.I would apressiate to not vote for now, since apparently no one here was capable to argue for Mash
Why? I know Mash flies following the logic of pushing the air but there is no physics about it. He can use such a skill perfectly within combat and fly at high speed creating impulses in the air by tapping his feet and fly strong enough not to be thrown around like trash.If his method of flight is generating force against the air via movement then he'll be unable to do that.
Mash dodges, and he can throw things tooEven assuming that this wasn't the case, throwing objects at him with, trapping him in forcefields then wailing on him, elemental attacks and energy blasts are things he's very much capable of.
I think you misunderstood my comment. The scans I sent are not limited to melee combat, but rather how the character handles long range based attacks, danmakus and any shit like that. Analytical prediction and adaptation is not only useful in hand-to-hand combatGood thing this isn't that relevant when Mob has very massive AoE blasts as well. Like, this isn't gonna come down to a hand to hand or drawn out melee.
Yes, let's not forget that Domina trapped Mash in something 100 times worse than a force field and then launched a danmaku of 1000 attacks, which was instantly turned into a joke.failing that will blast him with energy after trapping him in a forcefield.
You know, Mash can just run away from the attack, he can even use the speed boosters to help. Mash knows instinctively when something is going to **** him up and so he decides to run away, then come back and kick his ass. It is something quite in-characterSomehow failing that just nuke the entire surrounding landscape until it sticks.
I don't know how he can do that when Mash can simply dig between the pieces of landAnd failing even that, likely just chuck the landscape he's on to orbit like what base Mob would've done to Psycho Helmet.
I'm saying what I would appreciate, it is simply a request. I'm not putting a gun to his head saying "Don't vote".You can't tell people not to vote.
The point is he needs to push against "surfaces" with his body. Which being suspended by his body weight will not help with if he can't will his body to move independently.Why? I know Mash flies following the logic of pushing the air but there is no physics about it. He can use such a skill perfectly within combat and fly at high speed creating impulses in the air by tapping his feet and fly strong enough not to be thrown around like trash.https://official-ongoing-1.ivalice.us/manga/Mashle/0071-008.png
That is not the same as being picked up by telekinesis.
That ???% catches with a thought and returns.Mash dodges, and he can throw things too
Forcefields that are even with his power and even stronger than ???%'s natural defense? That's not happening in the short term, especially when ???% can just layer them.He can bronke the forcefields
Noted.Elemental and energy attacks are literally what Mash faces on a quiet Tuesday
Yes but again, this isn't that helpful when most of ???%'s tactics bypass that. He's not dodging city wide AoE blasts for instance, that are relative to him in speed.I think you misunderstood my comment. The scans I sent are not limited to melee combat, but rather how the character handles long range based attacks, danmakus and any shit like that. Analytical prediction and adaptation is not only useful in hand-to-hand combat
That's a water bubble, so what?Yes, let's not forget that Domina trapped Mash in something 100 times worse than a force field and then launched a danmaku of 1000 attacks, which was instantly turned into a joke.
And again, he can just light up energy explosions that cover the insides of the forcefield entirely.Or when he had basically every direction of his body limited and still dodged a swordsman's attacks at close range
Have you forgotten that speed is equalized? And the city-wide blast is instantaneous relative to ???%.You know, Mash can just run away from the attack, he can even use the speed boosters to help. Mash knows instinctively when something is going to **** him up and so he decides to run away, then come back and kick his ass. It is something quite in-character
This circles back to the whole issue with telekinesis above.I don't know how he can do that when Mash can simply dig between the pieces of land
Mash can fly in auras where they are able to completely stop things around. How is this different? This shows that even if someone puts a force to lift/move Mash's body he can simply fly. Furthermore, wizards can levitate bodies and control them easly tooThat is not the same as being picked up by telekinesis
FairThat ???% catches with a thought and returns.
Mash scales a higher value than Mob and has an immeasurably higher scaling chain. So I don't see why a force field would be something difficult to breakForcefields that are even with his power and even stronger than ???%'s natural defense? That's not happening in the short term, especially when ???% can just layer them.
Mash can instinctively sense that some shit is going to happen, run before the attack happens or/and use a speed boost, come back using stealth, and place Mob inside an illusionHe's not dodging city wide AoE blasts for instance, that are relative to him in speed.
A water bubble that traps the target in waves that do not allow you to swim, making you stand still while a spell with 1000 projectiles is coming at you.That's a water bubble, so what?
Would be cool a scan, he can just light up energy explosions that cover the insides of the forcefield entirely
Fair, I guess.Mash can fly in auras where they are able to completely stop things around. How is this different? This shows that even if someone puts a force to lift/move Mash's body he can simply fly. Furthermore, wizards can levitate bodies and control them easly too
It's not that "immeasurably higher". ???% oneshots the value he scales to effortlessly, his forcefields are even stronger and both of them are in the same + section of the tier.Mash scales a higher value than Mob and has an immeasurably higher scaling chain. So I don't see why a force field would be something difficult to break
If the illusion is mind based, Mob has little issue on that front. And again, relative speeds are important here. The blast covers the range instantly from his perspective.Mash can instinctively sense that some shit is going to happen, run before the attack happens or/and use a speed boost, come back using stealth, and place Mob inside an illusion
Again, and? The Danmaku part is good but like, not relevant when comparing it to the forcefields.A water bubble that traps the target in waves that do not allow you to swim, making you stand still while a spell with 1000 projectiles is coming at you.
Trapping in barriers, he does with the school ghost in the first or second episode of S1, when he seals up the gym. Filling it up with an wide area blast is just a logical step forward when direct attacks aren't hitting him.Would be cool a scan
As far as I understand Mash 6-B+ just scales to 80 Teratons via a multiplier, only UPM upscales vastly above that valueMash scales a higher value than Mob and has an immeasurably higher scaling chain. So I don't see why a force field would be something difficult to break
Actually Mash deatroys 80 Tera attacksAs far as I understand Mash 6-B+ just scales to 80 Teratons via a multiplier, only UPM upscales vastly above that value
That's literally how it's listed on the profile?Actually Mash stomps who uses that multiplier