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No? If he can't generate his own thrust then he can't push against a force that applies to his own limbs.
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Shigeo Kageyama (Mob Psycho 100) vs Mash Burnedead (Mashle) (8-2-0) (GRACE)
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Also, for some reason I can't reply to Arceus0x, but Ryoh used both his summons and Thirds, before Doom eventually used his own Summons and Thirds against Mash in his higher percentages.
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What would "generating his own thrust" look like though? Im having problems visualizing.
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Like, physically move himself across the air like Superman. Not jump against air or the ground.
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Ah, like Superman.....
Welp, gonna have to respond later, gonna be busy for a few hours soon
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Yeah, can't think of anything. Unless King barges in, changing my vote to Mob.
Maybe it would be more fair if 6B 100% Mob was used, but no point arguing that, the match is already made.
Maybe it would be more fair if 6B 100% Mob was used, but no point arguing that, the match is already made.
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Mash has the better haircut and drip though
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Damn you're right, that shirt solos fictionNah, Mob's got the infinity drip
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I wonder if Mash vs Toichiro can work
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Weirdly enough it'd probably be a stomp due to his Sleep Manipulation
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The cons of supporting a character who's a pure brawler.
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I feel you man, my go-to character is a robot boy who punches hard and has a lazer, nothing else really besides that which prevent most of his matchups
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Depends on Toichiro's % since he devolves more and more into a pure physical brawler the higher it is.
0% Toichiro will likely open with sleep hax vs a non esper. This form also tries to play it smart and abuse his versatility as much as possible .
25% Toichiro abuses range with energy blast homing attacks
72% to 80% uses melee and brute force raw energy attacks ( like shaping his energy into whips and flailing his enemy or giant concussive force palm shaped TK blasts)
While 100% can legit throw one punch that's weaker than this ???% mob and then go self destruct mode. (Note that there is a good delay before self destructing where he's 100% vulnerable, and if killed here he won't explode.)
0% Toichiro will likely open with sleep hax vs a non esper. This form also tries to play it smart and abuse his versatility as much as possible .
25% Toichiro abuses range with energy blast homing attacks
72% to 80% uses melee and brute force raw energy attacks ( like shaping his energy into whips and flailing his enemy or giant concussive force palm shaped TK blasts)
While 100% can legit throw one punch that's weaker than this ???% mob and then go self destruct mode. (Note that there is a good delay before self destructing where he's 100% vulnerable, and if killed here he won't explode.)
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Eh, best wait till Mash gets his High 6-A stuff added before I dare to make that match.
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Oh no no no, I Will not let this happen
What are the main arguments?
What are the main arguments?
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Telekenisis lift and blasting Mash with psychic energy. Also busting his eyes and ears, maybe twisting him like a pretzel.
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And how exactly is this possible when Mash is able to contract his muscles and increase their density with Class Z LS?
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Because Mash would only be able to escape being lifted up into the air by having Superman style flight it seems
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And you will still be able to move your legs and therefore fly. Mob's telekinesis won't have the strength to stop Mash's legs
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Without being able to generating thrust, when moved into the air with telekinesis the only thing that'd matter is your own weight. Which wouldn't be an issue for Mob.
Even then, ???% can just absorb energy from the environment to supplement his own while attacking, blast him with energy or develop new powers based on those he's once seen to deal with him.
Even then, ???% can just absorb energy from the environment to supplement his own while attacking, blast him with energy or develop new powers based on those he's once seen to deal with him.
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This does not answer why Mash couldnt move his legs, and therefore fly. The only thing Mob could do is to make Mash float, that's all. This is not a reason. Literally, top tier wizards are able to blow up people's insides with telekinesis and passively reflect attacks, something that never works with Mash
Mash will simply dodge and then attack. You have no idea how broken this son of a bitch is in terms of skill and dodging. Mash scales way above Doom in terms of analytical prediction before his reaction evolution, someone who is able to learn and analyze a technique after seeing it only once and then know exactly what to do to counter it, Doom even learned how to reflect an entire danmaku with a single movement, the same danmaku that was able to cover an entire city and a army that was attacking the same.
Mash can dodge discs that follow his movements, dodge an experienced swordsman's attack at close range even though all of his body movements are limited, analyze a danmaku of insects and predict the trajectory of each and how they will hit his opponents in a strategically way, knew how to reflect a danmaku of 1000 attacks just by seeing it once, turning a danmaku that was completely deadly to Mash before into something useless because he had already seen the attack once, etc etc etc.
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If his method of flight is generating force against the air via movement then he'll be unable to do that. Again, he has no way to leverage his lifting strength if he can't generate force independently at all. He can have Universal LS for all I care but his weight would still be very easy to throw around.
Even assuming that this wasn't the case, throwing objects at him with, trapping him in forcefields then wailing on him, elemental attacks and energy blasts are things he's very much capable of.
Good thing this isn't that relevant when Mob has very massive AoE blasts as well. Like, this isn't gonna come down to a hand to hand or drawn out melee. ???% will try turning him into a pretzel, failing that will blast him with energy after trapping him in a forcefield. Somehow failing that just nuke the entire surrounding landscape until it sticks. And failing even that, likely just chuck the landscape he's on to orbit like what base Mob would've done to Psycho Helmet.
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well mob fra
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I would apressiate to not vote for now, since apparently no one here was capable to argue for Mash
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You can't tell people not to vote.
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Why? I know Mash flies following the logic of pushing the air but there is no physics about it. He can use such a skill perfectly within combat and fly at high speed creating impulses in the air by tapping his feet and fly strong enough not to be thrown around like trash.
High-level wizards have a telekinesis aura that is shown to be able to stop and reflect things that are massively weaker in terms of LS. However, Mash is still able to fly and move easly in the auras of beings of such a level.
Mash dodges, and he can throw things too
He can bronke the forcefields
Elemental and energy attacks are literally what Mash faces on a quiet Tuesday
I think you misunderstood my comment. The scans I sent are not limited to melee combat, but rather how the character handles long range based attacks, danmakus and any shit like that. Analytical prediction and adaptation is not only useful in hand-to-hand combat
Yes, let's not forget that Domina trapped Mash in something 100 times worse than a force field and then launched a danmaku of 1000 attacks, which was instantly turned into a joke.
Or when he had basically every direction of his body limited and still dodged a swordsman's attacks at close range
You know, Mash can just run away from the attack, he can even use the speed boosters to help. Mash knows instinctively when something is going to **** him up and so he decides to run away, then come back and kick his ass. It is something quite in-character
I don't know how he can do that when Mash can simply dig between the pieces of land
I'm saying what I would appreciate, it is simply a request. I'm not putting a gun to his head saying "Don't vote".
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The point is he needs to push against "surfaces" with his body. Which being suspended by his body weight will not help with if he can't will his body to move independently.
That is not the same as being picked up by telekinesis.
That ???% catches with a thought and returns.
Forcefields that are even with his power and even stronger than ???%'s natural defense? That's not happening in the short term, especially when ???% can just layer them.
Noted.
Yes but again, this isn't that helpful when most of ???%'s tactics bypass that. He's not dodging city wide AoE blasts for instance, that are relative to him in speed.
That's a water bubble, so what?
And again, he can just light up energy explosions that cover the insides of the forcefield entirely.
Have you forgotten that speed is equalized? And the city-wide blast is instantaneous relative to ???%.
This circles back to the whole issue with telekinesis above.
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Mash can fly in auras where they are able to completely stop things around. How is this different? This shows that even if someone puts a force to lift/move Mash's body he can simply fly. Furthermore, wizards can levitate bodies and control them easly too
Fair
Mash scales a higher value than Mob and has an immeasurably higher scaling chain. So I don't see why a force field would be something difficult to break
Mash can instinctively sense that some shit is going to happen, run before the attack happens or/and use a speed boost, come back using stealth, and place Mob inside an illusion
A water bubble that traps the target in waves that do not allow you to swim, making you stand still while a spell with 1000 projectiles is coming at you.
Would be cool a scan
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Fair, I guess.
It's not that "immeasurably higher". ???% oneshots the value he scales to effortlessly, his forcefields are even stronger and both of them are in the same + section of the tier.
If the illusion is mind based, Mob has little issue on that front. And again, relative speeds are important here. The blast covers the range instantly from his perspective.
Again, and? The Danmaku part is good but like, not relevant when comparing it to the forcefields.
Trapping in barriers, he does with the school ghost in the first or second episode of S1, when he seals up the gym. Filling it up with an wide area blast is just a logical step forward when direct attacks aren't hitting him.
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Actually Mash deatroys 80 Tera attacks
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That's literally how it's listed on the profile?
"up to Country level+ at peak (Managed to counterattack Domina's Secondth,[14] which is more than 10 times stronger than his base [80 Teratons],[note 1] who is a being considered "Invincible" by Lévis even after his Invariable Railgun was destroyed by Mash [8 Teratons].[75] After reaching his limit Mash was capable of hurting Domina in his Third Line form, which is a transformation that causes him to be immensely stronger than before and being considered even as a living environmental disaster)[14],"
"At peak" which is the 80 Teratons value on his profile
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Domina is 8 Tera
Domina Secondth is 80 Tera
Mash playing with water destroys Domina's Secondth
Domina's Summons destroys Mash and can't be damaged by him
Later Mash damages him
Thats the scaling
Domina Secondth is 80 Tera
Mash playing with water destroys Domina's Secondth
Domina's Summons destroys Mash and can't be damaged by him
Later Mash damages him
Thats the scaling
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