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Shaman King CRT (Part 1)

OK so as you have read the title, this thread is to make some possible revisions and update to some characters(potentially more) in the series Shaman King since it is really outdated and some abilities should be added to their profiles and updated. I can't do all the characters cause I got summer school right now. But we do need to update this verse. It's so outdated that even the most BASIC ability in this series(being able to see ghosts) isn't even on the profiles. For starters, I'll talk about the most basic abilities that every SHAMAN should have on this wiki currently since there isn't a lot to begin with and then a couple characters their specific abilities. The characters I will focus on in this thread is Yoh Asakura, Tao Ren, and Hao Asakura.

Also I request that we clean up and edit the profiles like the Keys and the Powers and Abilities. The reason for this is because
  1. The characters in Shaman King have shown to grow more powerful and faster physically as the series progress. And it wouldn't make sense to make the tiers only their oversouls and hyoi gattei when they have used their past powers before when fighting more powerful opponents and their speed is drastically different. For examples of what I mean by this, Yoh is labeled as Subsonic when he uses Hyoi Gattai (w/Amidamaru). Now here's the issue with this. that was only in the very beginning of Shaman King. His Speed in Hyoi Gattai is very different than before as the series continues. A prime example of this is when he LITTERALY dodges the X-Law's Angels Oversouls when he was only in Hyoi Gattei. Now this could mean either 2 things. Either all of the X-Laws Angels that attacked Yoh would be at yoh's hyoi Gattei speed on the wiki which would mean that they were all subsonic or Yoh body physically got faster which also would mean that the state of Hyoi Gattei would've gotten faster as well since Amidamaru was using yoh's body. I'm going with the latter. Scan
  2. The powers and abilities need to be cleaned up. Even if we don't change the keys, we need to edit the powers and abilities so that it can at least make sense. Also just to be clear, I do not mean that characters evolved Oversouls can't use their previous abilities because I would be wrong. I am saying that the way that the profiles are set up some people who don't have knowledge of the series would think that the characters would be able to use their past Oversouls and still use their evolved Oversouls abilities. It would be like not editing Son Goku's(Chou) Powers and Abilities on his profile and then people thinking that he can create illusions in his base form(When that ability has only been shown using MUI). Here's a list of examples of what I mean specifically for this series...
    • Tao Ren has shown that he can perform a Bason Punch in his O.S Busin Yuchi but he has NEVER shown using his lightning abilities using his first and second oversoul(O.S Bason and Super Bushin).
    • Hao lost the power to read minds and the Spirit of Fire as well once he became the Shaman King and got the Great Spirit. Now an argument could be made that Hao could use the Spirit of Fire's abilities because of the fact that the 5 elemental spirits are all created by the Great Spirit itself(I'll go into that when I talk about Hao later on for the additions for his profile.) But there is no way in Hell that his Spirit of Fire O.S would be able to use all the abilities that the Great Spirit has. That's just flat out wrong on so many levels.
    • Yoh has shown that he can use Halo Blade for his O.S White Swan but he has never shown using Na-Avida or Mu-Mu-Myou-Yaku-Mu in his second and third oversoul(O.S Amidamaru V.2 and Spirit of the Sword)
What I would suggest that in another revision(even if this current one is rejected) we should change the keys from their oversouls to the arcs of the series so it can match the abilities.
With that being said let's start with the main abilities that every shaman should have.

1. Every Shaman Profile here



Additional Abilities
  • Spiritual Awareness(Enhanced Senses)
  • Non-Physical Interaction
  • (Limited or Full) Reactive Power Level
  • Invisibility(Oversouls)
  • Self-Sustenance(Type 1)
  • Possible Incorporeality(Oversouls)

Spiritual Awareness(Enhanced Senses)- Shamans are individuals who can connect with the world of spirits and gods. Thus in doing so allows them to see and hear spiritual beings. This is the most basic ability that all shamans possess due to them having a sixth sense. (I honestly don't think I need to show proof for this)

Non-Physical Interaction-Shamans are able to exist in both planes. Due to this they can physically interact with ghost and spirits.

(Limited or full, I am honestly not to sure on the specifics of this ability anymore) Reactive Power Level- Every shaman has a "Shamanic Power" that is known as Furyoku(Mana in the English version of the manga). One of the biggest traits of Furyoku is that when a Shaman experiences pseudo-death, near-death, or actual death they get a boost in their Furokyu level and a extreme boost when they die. This has been Shown and Proven throughout the series and is the biggest reason Hao was able to obtain a Furyoku level of 1,250,000. (side note-Due to this, it goes without question that EVERY SINGLE Shaman that died and was resurrected after the final battle even if they didn't die to Hao would get a significant higher boost in furyoku level, thus a "Likely Higher" on their AP on their profile for their final key.)

Invisibility(Oversouls)-
Oversouls are not able to be seen by people who don't have a sixth sense (in other words, Spiritual Awareness). This is also further supported by the fact that Oversouls cast no shadows. scans

Self-Sustenance(Type 1)-
Shamans can sink mana into their oversoul to create an aura or membrane around them so that they can survive areas (Note- Oversouls being used as barriers from outside effects have been proven before. Hao and Rutheor both admit that they are using their oversouls to cover themselves when they were in the last plant(Which was an area in the Continent of Mu that mimicked outer space). Yoh and Silva fought underwater and they had their oversoul's covering them during that time, Hell during the fight when silva broke yoh's oversoul and yoh was underwater he said that now that his oversoul was gone he was exposed to the freezing waters(This was before Ryu even performed his own space feat). But the main example is when Lyserg was the one who brought up the idea that everyone should do this to survive the last plant and Tao Ren was ready to perform the feat until Ryu insisted that he do it himself for the whole group. And Ryu even admits that while they can do it, it would be harder for them to fight and do it at the same time. So it stands to say that everyone in the main group should be able to perform this feat. Now as for everyone else in the wiki that's a lot more debatable. So Tbh If this is only accepted as "possibly" or if it isn't accepted at all for everyone's profile then that's fine. But Yoh, Ren, Hao, Horohoro, Lyserg, Sliva, and Ryu should have it FRA) Scan

Possible (Limited for some characters) Incorporeality(Oversouls)- DISCLAIMER. I am not saying that the characters themselves have it. I am merely saying their O.S possibly do. With the power of Furyoku(or mana), Shamans are able combine a spirit with a medium to form what is known as a Oversoul(or O.S). An Oversoul is a materialization of one's mana that can take shape of numerous of things. Due to the fact that the form of a oversoul is composed entirely of a shaman's furyoku, there is no matter, thus making it impossible for it to be harmed by physical attacks and conventional weaponry since "There is no real matter for physical attacks to act upon"(quote from Silva, I'll show more proof with scans but that's the main idea). And it has been established numerous of times in the Shaman King verse that only a O.S can harm another O.S.(Not trying to imply NLF) scan

Now that we got that out of the way, we can go to the specific characters for this thread

Yoh Asakura


  • Accelerated Development(Training; Physical Stats, Abilities)- For context, Yoh has been shown numerous of times of improving and learning new abilities in a very short amount of time either via training or battle at a very fast pace. A prime example of this is the Spirit of the Sword oversoul. Hao himself even stated that he was most impressed with Yoh developing the oversoul since a normal shaman could never learn a two part over soul in just 2 mere months(Keep in mind that Hao is one of the most knowledgeable characters in the series when it comes to Shamanism due to being both a Onmyouji and also a Patch priest of the Patch tribe in his past lives). Or another famous example is when Yoh figures out how to pump Furyoku into his oversoul to create a giant amidamaru oversoul , while initially he didn't know how to do it until later in the fight he managed to figure it out just by watching Ren during the battle. scans
  • Analytical Prediction(W/Amidamaru)- Since his second Oversoul, Amidamru is able to talk in O.S form he can instruct Yoh where to move before attacks happen and dodge accordingly. He litteraly did this when he fought Ren. Has even shown some small basic prediction even before obtaining his second Oversoul. scans
  • Extrasensory Perception and Precognition(W/Funmo Tonko)-Users of the Funmo Tonko are able to detect an opponents mana and determine where their attack will be before it hits them and if fast enough will be able to react to it. scans
  • Gravity Manipulation-With the Spirit of Earth, Yoh is capable of manipulating gravity and even shown to counter the gravitational pull of a black hole. scans
  • Durability Negation and Possible Purification-(type 2)- Amida-Style: Na-Avida(or Mu-Mu-Myou-Yaku-Mu) has shown to be able to knock out and even kill individuals despite inflicting no physical damage outside the body. Na-Avida is known and has been stated as the power of Purification. scans
  • True Flight- With the Spirit of Earth
  • Soul Absorption(W/Spirit of Earth)- The 5 Grand Elemental Spirits are able to consume souls to further enhance their own power
  • Size Manipulation-can make his oversoul bigger by pumping more mana into his oversoul(don't really think i need a scan for this but if i need to i will)
  • Supernatural Willpower-Yoh has shown to still keep fighting despite facing extreme injuries such as broken ribs, and having his arm teared off during battles. Also is one of the 5 Elemental Warriors that was able to survive hell, a place where you need strong will power to make effects happen otherwise you will be easily affected and potentially crushed by Onis. scans
Tao Ren(also a side note to add. Ren's mana isn't 98,000 near the end of the series. It's 100,001.)



  • Accelerated Development(Training; Physical Stats, Abilities) scans
  • Extrasensory Perception and Precognition- Same thing like Yoh, scan is above
  • Weapon Creation- Ren's Super Busin Oversoul allows him to create every weapon that Bason has ever wielded(For context Bason was a military general who was known as a master of arms.) scans
  • Soul Absorption(W/Spirit of Thunder)- Scan above
  • Paralysis Inducement-With his electricity he can temporally stun his opponents. scan
  • Size Manipulation-can make his oversoul bigger by pumping more mana into his oversoul
  • Acrobatics-I think this should be proof enough.scans
  • Magnetism Manipulation- Created a Magnetic field. scan
  • Supernatural Willpower- Could still keep fighting Nichrome despite being affected by poison during the battle. Also is one of the 5 Elemental Warriors that was able to survive hell, a place where you need strong will power to make effects happen otherwise you will be easily affected and potentially crushed by the Onis(scan is above)
Hao Asakura



Now for the abilities, this is going to be very simple
  • Possibly every ability in the series- Has been stated numerous of times that the Great Spirit is a archive of souls and contains the memories of every single soul. No matter what lifeform, big or small always come from and ends up back to the G.S. Also inside the G.S Hao has even shown to create duplicates of characters who even have the same abilities, same outfit, and personality as well. This is shown when he recreated Yoh with all his abilities including Na-Avida. And if that's not enough The G.S LITTERALY CREATED THE 5 ELEMENTAL SPIRITS. Each of their power all came from the G.S itself. So if this one being(Hao) is literally fused with this spirit that has all the archive of souls and is able to recreate characters to the T and he has access to all the memories and knowledge of all the souls that ever existed. Then it wouldn't be as far as a stretch to say that he can use the said abilities of said characters. scans
Well that's it for now. What do you guys think?
 
I aint expecting like a thousand people to read this but I honestly hope that a couple of people read it so we can have the discussion so the ball can get rolling lol
 
Yea ik the exact moment you are talking about. When ren fought one of the Patch officials and he used his Elec-Bang for the first time. I honestly think it's just a statement. considering the fact that it's only stated once for them in the entire series(even though there are many sequels, spin-offs, and origins of different characters)
 
Well for both the rough and the official scans they both says Big Bang. But like you said only one statement can't really prove too much lol. But what do you think of the CRT? Anything you agree, disagree, got questions or need some clarification with?
 
Looks good from what I can tell, the Shaman king profiles haven’t been cleaned up so this was definitely needed. Hopefully the anime adds some stuff.
Aye that's whats up. Thanks, I appreciate it. This my first one so I just wanna get it as accurate as I can lol
 
I actually launched a Shaman King revision project during the time of the forum move, but I got distracted and lost focus on it completely when the new forums were officially put up.

So you can count me in to help on anything needed.
 
I actually launched a Shaman King revision project during the time of the forum move, but I got distracted and lost focus on it completely when the new forums were officially put up.

So you can count me in to help on anything needed.
Oh snap word? Aye appreciate it. So what you think bout the CRT? Anything you agree, disagree with?
 
I’m against giving Yoh gravity manipulation. He explicitly states that he’s able to do it because he’s in the GS, where “it doesn’t matter what you can do”. Similarly, Ren’s magnetism manipulation should probably only be “possibly” and Hao should probably get power bestowal of subjective reality with the GS.
The self sustenance river feat should also give resistance to extreme temperatures, and we can add a weakness that they can’t use their full ability when using their oversouls in that way.
I agree with everything else
 
Okay so I'm going to respond to this in chunks and pieces:
1. Every Shaman Profile here



Additional Abilities
  • Spiritual Awareness(Enhanced Senses)
  • Non-Physical Interaction
  • (Limited or Full) Reactive Power Level
  • Invisibility(Oversouls)
  • Self-Sustenance(Type 1)
  • Possible Incorporeality(Oversouls)

Spiritual Awareness(Enhanced Senses)- Shamans are individuals who can connect with the world of spirits and gods. Thus in doing so allows them to see and hear spiritual beings. This is the most basic ability that all shamans possess due to them having a sixth sense. (I honestly don't think I need to show proof for this)

Non-Physical Interaction-Shamans are able to exist in both planes. Due to this they can physically interact with ghost and spirits.

(Limited or full, I am honestly not to sure on the specifics of this ability anymore) Reactive Power Level- Every shaman has a "Shamanic Power" that is known as Furyoku(Mana in the English version of the manga). One of the biggest traits of Furyoku is that when a Shaman experiences pseudo-death, near-death, or actual death they get a boost in their Furokyu level and a extreme boost when they die. This has been Shown and Proven throughout the series and is the biggest reason Hao was able to obtain a Furyoku level of 1,250,000. (side note-Due to this, it goes without question that EVERY SINGLE Shaman that died and was resurrected after the final battle even if they didn't die to Hao would get a significant higher boost in furyoku level, thus a "Likely Higher" on their AP on their profile for their final key.)

Invisibility(Oversouls)-
Oversouls are not able to be seen by people who don't have a sixth sense (in other words, Spiritual Awareness). This is also further supported by the fact that Oversouls cast no shadows. scans

Self-Sustenance(Type 1)-
Shamans can sink mana into their oversoul to create an aura or membrane around them so that they can survive areas (Note- Oversouls being used as barriers from outside effects have been proven before. Hao and Rutheor both admit that they are using their oversouls to cover themselves when they were in the last plant(Which was an area in the Continent of Mu that mimicked outer space). Yoh and Silva fought underwater and they had their oversoul's covering them during that time, Hell during the fight when silva broke yoh's oversoul and yoh was underwater he said that now that his oversoul was gone he was exposed to the freezing waters(This was before Ryu even performed his own space feat). But the main example is when Lyserg was the one who brought up the idea that everyone should do this to survive the last plant and Tao Ren was ready to perform the feat until Ryu insisted that he do it himself for the whole group. And Ryu even admits that while they can do it, it would be harder for them to fight and do it at the same time. So it stands to say that everyone in the main group should be able to perform this feat. Now as for everyone else in the wiki that's a lot more debatable. So Tbh If this is only accepted as "possibly" or if it isn't accepted at all for everyone's profile then that's fine. But Yoh, Ren, Hao, Horohoro, Lyserg, Sliva, and Ryu should have it FRA) Scan

Possible (Limited for some characters) Incorporeality(Oversouls)- DISCLAIMER. I am not saying that the characters themselves have it. I am merely saying their O.S possibly do. With the power of Furyoku(or mana), Shamans are able combine a spirit with a medium to form what is known as a Oversoul(or O.S). An Oversoul is a materialization of one's mana that can take shape of numerous of things. Due to the fact that the form of a oversoul is composed entirely of a shaman's furyoku, there is no matter, thus making it impossible for it to be harmed by physical attacks and conventional weaponry since "There is no real matter for physical attacks to act upon"(quote from Silva, I'll show more proof with scans but that's the main idea). And it has been established numerous of times in the Shaman King verse that only a O.S can harm another O.S.(Not trying to imply NLF) scan

Now that we got that out of the way, we can go to the specific characters for this thread
For the first ability, I think we'd peg that down to Extrasensory Perception instead of Enhanced Senses since whats being detected is something magical/spiritual.

Non-Physical Interaction looks good.

Reactive Power Level also looks good, and limited is fitting since its condition is such a specific one.

Invisibility looks good.

Incoperality I agree with for one scan, but I also do think these scans point to limited Invulnerability as well. In the one where Yoh takes that hit, we're shown a very clear case of intangibility since the physical weapon is phased throughy. However, since OS are also shown to be used as defense and these defenses don't just stop OS but also other non-OS attacks that seems like there is a form of Invulnerability here. Not a simple case of it being impossible for them to be interacted with, but with the case that what they're interacting with can only be harmed by a specific thing. While I have no idea how that would be handled in a Vs-Equalization manner, I do think the scan points a lot towards limited Invulnerability than it does Incoperality.
 
Thank you for helping out.

The parts that Duedate has objected to need to be adjusted accordingly.
 
I’m against giving Yoh gravity manipulation. He explicitly states that he’s able to do it because he’s in the GS, where “it doesn’t matter what you can do”. Similarly, Ren’s magnetism manipulation should probably only be “possibly” and Hao should probably get power bestowal of subjective reality with the GS.
The self sustenance river feat should also give resistance to extreme temperatures, and we can add a weakness that they can’t use their full ability when using their oversouls in that way.
I agree with everything else
This also seems worth taking into account.
 
Ok finally back lol. Alright lets get to responding
I’m against giving Yoh gravity manipulation. He explicitly states that he’s able to do it because he’s in the GS, where “it doesn’t matter what you can do”. Similarly, Ren’s magnetism manipulation should probably only be “possibly”
Ok so yes he did say that. And this is very iffy. The reason why I chose to propose that Yoh and Ren get those abilities is that when I started re-reading the series for the CRT, I realized something when it comes to the G.S. What I realized was that every character when performing an ability with their O.S inside the G.S, they have always been able to perform it in real life(given they have the spirit and the medium since the G.S pretty much gives you that when you think about it). There hasn't been one time where a character performed a ability with their O.S in the G.S and then not being able to do said ability in real life. In fact, Yoh(duplicate) and Hana(Yoh's son) fought each other in the same exact area that the final battle was in(In the sequel Shaman King: Flowers). And even though Hana knew the rules of the G.S just like Yoh did, We never saw him performing any ability that he hasn't performed before. It's the same thing when the Elemental Warriors were in hell(which is inside the G.S). And characters O.S have shown numerous of times throughout the series to have abilities that are very unrelated to the Shaman's spirit ally and their medium as well.

Hao should probably get power bestowal of subjective reality with the GS.
Can you elaborate on this a little bit please? I think I might know what your saying but I just wanna be sure lol

The self sustenance river feat should also give resistance to extreme temperatures, and we can add a weakness that they can’t use their full ability when using their oversouls in that way.
Yeah I didn't really focus too much on the resistance. I lowkey wanted to just get this stuff out of the way and then continue onto that on another thread since this verse needs to be cleaned up a lot lol. But I do agree with this completely

For the first ability, I think we'd peg that down to Extrasensory Perception instead of Enhanced Senses since whats being detected is something magical/spiritual
I had originally wanted to put that first. But when I was looking at some character examples like Ichigo Kurosaki(he had spiritual awareness as well) I honestly felt a little bit more confused about it ngl. Regardless I'm ok with whatever is chosen as long as it's established that these characters can see spirits. if there is anything I want accepted on this CRT, it just that one ability lol

Incoperality I agree with for one scan, but I also do think these scans point to limited Invulnerability as well. In the one where Yoh takes that hit, we're shown a very clear case of intangibility since the physical weapon is phased throughy. However, since OS are also shown to be used as defense and these defenses don't just stop OS but also other non-OS attacks that seems like there is a form of Invulnerability here. Not a simple case of it being impossible for them to be interacted with, but with the case that what they're interacting with can only be harmed by a specific thing. While I have no idea how that would be handled in a Vs-Equalization manner, I do think the scan points a lot towards limited Invulnerability than it does Incoperality.
I didn't really focus too much on Invulnerability because I didn't really want to try and imply NLF. Cause I'm sure everyone here probably seen some people on this site who say something like "Oh this character can perform this ability and the only way to counter it is ONLY IN THEIR VERSE". So tbh I am not too sure how that will work as well but if you need any answers on some questions bout the series I'll answer it to the best of my ability.
 
Ok so yes he did say that. And this is very iffy. The reason why I chose to propose that Yoh and Ren get those abilities is that when I started re-reading the series for the CRT, I realized something when it comes to the G.S. What I realized was that every character when performing an ability with their O.S inside the G.S, they have always been able to perform it in real life(given they have the spirit and the medium since the G.S pretty much gives you that when you think about it). There hasn't been one time where a character performed a ability with their O.S in the G.S and then not being able to do said ability in real life. In fact, Yoh(duplicate) and Hana(Yoh's son) fought each other in the same exact area that the final battle was in(In the sequel Shaman King: Flowers). And even though Hana knew the rules of the G.S just like Yoh did, We never saw him performing any ability that he hasn't performed before. It's the same thing when the Elemental Warriors were in hell(which is inside the G.S). And characters O.S have shown numerous of times throughout the series to have abilities that are very unrelated to the Shaman's spirit ally and their medium as well.
Though this seems like a fair interpretation, I still think it’s best to list it as a “possibly”, rather than giving it in full, since there’s uncertainty to it.

Can you elaborate on this a little bit please? I think I might know what your saying but I just wanna be sure lol
I just mean that since the implication from Yoh’s words seem to be that being in the GS allows them to use powers they imagine the spirit should have, and not just the powers they already know how to use, it would be worth giving power bestowal to Hao/GS.
 
I just mean that since the implication from Yoh’s words seem to be that being in the GS allows them to use powers they imagine the spirit should have, and not just the powers they already know how to use, it would be worth giving power bestowal to Hao/GS.
Ohhh ok. Well for starters I do agree on Power Bestowal. Not because of the final fight but because he LITTERALY gave Hana(Yoh's son) the ability to summon onis and Hana has done it when he was alive numerous of times. And also the G.S is the creator of the 5 Grand Elemental Spirits which not only created them but gave them their power. So that part I'm fine with.

The thing is the whole "allows them to use powers they imagine the spirit should have". If this was like the first time in the series that characters were in the G.S when the final battle happened and they said that. Then I'd agree 100%. But the problem is that
  1. Every single moment in this series when it comes to people being in the G.S has always been whatever ability you shown to do with your O.S when your inside the G.S even when it's your first time doing it, You're also capable of doing it in the real world(DISCLAIMER-I said O.S, not LITTERALY EVERYTHING.). Yoh, Ren, and Lyserg are all proof of that
  2. This is still consistent in the sequel Shaman King Flowers(which is canon btw)
But in all honesty I want to hear other peoples thoughts on this.
 
I'm currently getting into the verse with recent adaptation and the verse's wiki. From what I read, everything here is pretty much true. OS usually gain different and exclusive abilities. So it's odd that they are shared with Hyoi Gatti.
 
Finally got the RAW for the whole statement made by Ren when he says the 5 elemental spirits have the power of a Big Bang. The RAW does indeed say Big Bang not sure if this will help since it’s only one statement and could just be argued to be an outlier but at least we can confirm the raw kazenban says Big Bang
Ok first off. How’d the hell you’d find that? Lol you a damn detective😂. But like you said, there’s a high chance that it’s an outlier since it’s only 1 statement. BUT ima hold on to that in case something happens in the Shaman King sequels


Yup that’s made by Hao when he gets his power. He claims to have the power of the stars irrc
Yea he stated that and also calls it the “power of the cosmos” numerous of times. Other people even state stuff like this as well. Keep in mind most of the statements were before the final battle.
 
So what has been accepted and what still needs to be discussed here?
 
also there is the black hole so yeah...

that supports that the has a degree of "the power of the stars" or cosmo if the black hole is real
 
So what has been accepted and what still needs to be discussed here?
Ok so the things we still need to discuss is from what duedate said with the Limited Invulnerability instead of the incorporeality. Another thing is that me and blahblah have opposing views on whether or not Yoh and Ren should get their abilities that they performed inside the G.S. when they had their elemental spirits. So I'm down to listen to anyone else perspective on this matter.
also there is the black hole so yeah...

that supports that the has a degree of "the power of the stars" or cosmo if the black hole is real
It's all good, Hao already got Black hole creation on his profile.
 
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