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Shaman King CRT(Part 1)

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And even without that they tank a super nova so yeah. and then latter escape a black hole and if you ask i was going i was going to do a CRT to put the tiers after learning more about the series.
 

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I am uncertain, but I suppose that you can use the linked evidence as a basis for a placeholder statistic until you get it properly calculated then.
 
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Atleast can you give me the request calculation thread please? Also can i applie the CRT?
 
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I am so sorry for the lack of replies. Had some IRL stuff to do. But thank you Livinmeme for keeping up with the CRT, I honestly wanted to do the redo of the calcs in another thread lol. But this makes it easier ngl.
 

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If you list all of the necessary evidence for the feats that you need calculated in a single post, I can ask some calc group members for help.
 
I can try to help out with getting the scans since i practically got all of the 35 volumes lol. But is it ok to apply the powers and abilities? Ik we gonna focus on the AP and stuff, but if that's gonna take awhile then we should at least start with what we currently got and can put in rn and we can focus on that in another future thread if not a lot of people got time currently atm(cause shoot im lowkey getting slammed with IRL stuff rn LOL.). Which is the abilities, I'm pretty sure that everyone mostly or fully agrees with the CRT and with the changes of Spiritual Awareness to Extrasensory Perception and Possible Incorporeality to limited Invulnerability as well as the Immortality (Type 9) for Hao

(Now that I think about it, Duedate said in his post for incorporeality that
Incoperality I agree with for one scan, but I also do think these scans point to limited Invulnerability as well. In the one where Yoh takes that hit, we're shown a very clear case of intangibility since the physical weapon is phased throughy. However, since OS are also shown to be used as defense and these defenses don't just stop OS but also other non-OS attacks that seems like there is a form of Invulnerability here. Not a simple case of it being impossible for them to be interacted with, but with the case that what they're interacting with can only be harmed by a specific thing. While I have no idea how that would be handled in a Vs-Equalization manner, I do think the scan points a lot towards limited Invulnerability than it does Incoperality.
Couldn't we do something like "Limited Invulnerability and Possibly Incorporeality" for it? Or should we just stick with just the "Limited Invulnerability"? Cause Incorporeality was already listed as Possibly when the CRT started. I honestly don't mind whichever one. Just putting that out there)
 
Aye I got a lot of quotes for Yoh. Especially for each of his keys too. So I can help out in the future if you want to add some more quotes. So we just go to the Shaman King(verse) page, just click edit and we go right ahead?
 
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Aye I got a lot of quotes for Yoh. Especially for each of his keys too. So I can help out in the future if you want to add some more quotes. So we just go to the Shaman King(verse) page, just click edit and we go right ahead?
Yeah and to add some things you have to uses the edit source
 

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Please remember to carefully read through and follow the instructions in our Common Editing Mistakes page, so no badly structured edits are made, and extensive cleanup work will not be necessary.

If you change the statistics for any characters, also remember to update the tier categories at the bottoms of the profile pages.

Also, when you apply this revision, please insert a link to this thread into the edit summary boxes, so your edits are not mistaken for vandalism.
 
Ok so as I was editing, I realized that my question wasn't answered earlier when it came to the incorporeality and invulnerability. I just wanna ask this question again just to be sure. Duedate said that most of the scans lean toward Limited Invulnerability, but he also said that there was a scan that he agreed with for Incorporeality. I am pretty sure what scan that he is talking about. Couldn't we do something like "Limited Invulnerability and Possibly Incorporeality" for it? Or should we just stick with just the "Limited Invulnerability"? Cause Incorporeality was already listed as Possibly when the CRT started.
 

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Ok so as I was editing, I realized that my question wasn't answered earlier when it came to the incorporeality and invulnerability. I just wanna ask this question again just to be sure. Duedate said that most of the scans lean toward Limited Invulnerability, but he also said that there was a scan that he agreed with for Incorporeality. I am pretty sure what scan that he is talking about. Couldn't we do something like "Limited Invulnerability and Possibly Incorporeality" for it? Or should we just stick with just the "Limited Invulnerability"? Cause Incorporeality was already listed as Possibly when the CRT started.
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Ok I am about to be finished with Hao Asakura. Just want to add that I plan on adding a note for explaining why hao should have "Possibly every ability in the series" It will look like

Note: While Hao has not shown all the abilities in the series, the Great Spirit has been stated numerous of times to be an archive of all souls and contains the memories, knowledge, and history of every single one of them. Hao has even demonstrated to create versions of characters that have the same exact personality and abilities of characters easily inside the Great Spirit. The Great Spirit is also the creator of the 5 Grand Elemental Spirits, which are all God class spirits. Every soul, no matter how big or small comes from and ends up back to the Great Spirit. So it stands to say that Hao would possibly be able to replicate abilities of every soul that is recorded in the Great Spirit.
Any objections? or anything someone wants to add for this?
 

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Ok I am about to be finished with Hao Asakura. Just want to add that I plan on adding a note for explaining why hao should have "Possibly every ability in the series" It will look like

Note: While Hao has not shown all the abilities in the series, the Great Spirit has been stated numerous of times to be an archive of all souls and contains the memories, knowledge, and history of every single one of them. Hao has even demonstrated to create versions of characters that have the same exact personality and abilities of characters easily inside the Great Spirit. The Great Spirit is also the creator of the 5 Grand Elemental Spirits, which are all God class spirits. Every soul, no matter how big or small comes from and ends up back to the Great Spirit. So it stands to say that Hao would possibly be able to replicate abilities of every soul that is recorded in the Great Spirit.
Any objections? or anything someone wants to add for this?
It seems to make sense to me at least.

What about the rest of you?
 
Ok so I just added all the powers and abilities for every shaman and specific characters abilities. So I would assume that the only thing left is the AP stuff right?
 
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Yeah G.S hao atleast should be 4-A for creating and arguably destroying a sky full with star and the protagonist should scale to the flare if it ever get calced, and Hao gravity manipulation being comparable to the black hole also the supernova
 
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Also some keys (that i cant renember) who have 39x more foryuko become Low 7-B and post hell Yoh becomes 7-B and maybe plus
 

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Can somebody list all of the members who have responded to this thread previously, so I can send a notification to them?
 

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Ok I am about to be finished with Hao Asakura. Just want to add that I plan on adding a note for explaining why hao should have "Possibly every ability in the series" It will look like

Note: While Hao has not shown all the abilities in the series, the Great Spirit has been stated numerous of times to be an archive of all souls and contains the memories, knowledge, and history of every single one of them. Hao has even demonstrated to create versions of characters that have the same exact personality and abilities of characters easily inside the Great Spirit. The Great Spirit is also the creator of the 5 Grand Elemental Spirits, which are all God class spirits. Every soul, no matter how big or small comes from and ends up back to the Great Spirit. So it stands to say that Hao would possibly be able to replicate abilities of every soul that is recorded in the Great Spirit.
Any objections? or anything someone wants to add for this?
The note seems fine to me.
 
I added everything I needed to add for the characters and their abilities. The only thing that's left is the AP. But I honestly wanna do that in a different CRT cause as far as I can tell, everything here related to what was proposed has been accepted and the changes have been added. So TBH i don't mind if this is closed. Cause I already plan on making a lot more CRT for this series.
 
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Could you post the feat of creating and "arguably" destroying said starry sky?


as you can see a place full with stars and there was just a white void before that. also there is several shoots of that


as you can see there is nothing after that just void and the characters even mention than the black hole dissapeared
 
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So should I close this or not?

It might be best if you link to the continuation thread here first.
 

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Isn't all that is left here to create a continuation thread and then link to it here?
 
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Wait a minute, 4-A Hao? Shouldnt he be 3-A or even High 3-A (since Had seems to be citing the Shaman King universe as infinite after uniting with the GS)?
 
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I don’t think there’s anything indicating space-time. Given that even the GS explicitly doesn’t control the future, I doubt Shaman King has anything that could effect all of space-time.
 
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hao also says he has the power of the stars, power of the cosmos, and if i recall the GS made everything that exists, Hao should be flat 3-a
 
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hao also says he has the power of the stars, power of the cosmos, and if i recall the GS made everything that exists, Hao should be flat 3-a
IIRC, the patch tribe even in the earlier arcs of the series specify that what happens in the future is also dictated by the GS and if the GS made everything, wouldnt that be an indicator of time being created? That said, its been eons since I read the manga in full, so I don't have enough remembrance of the series atm to really give a strong argument for Low 2-C.

That said, even if Low 2-C is off the table, shouldnt this be at least High 3-A? Hao after becoming the shaman king specifies the universe being infinite (which would imply the SK universe is an infinite sized one).
 
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also have some hao calcs

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Hao height: 1.60 meters
Low-end (head height only)
33px = 0.2 meters
51px = 0.3 meters
Mass: 100997648223067932958550092 kg
https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/emc2
Energy: 9.10047938072165822e+42 Joules or 0.09 FOE (Large Star level)
High-end (half of body height)
33px = 0.8 meters
51px = 1.24 meters
Mass: 417456945988680789562007048 kg
Energy: 3.75191592106982838e+43 joules or 0.375 FOE (Large Star level)


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the luminosity get for the supernova outshining a galaxy


10^52 Ergs, Which in joules is 1.e45, 10 Foe. The highest it can go is 40 Foe, lowest is 1 Foe
 
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credit to mig for both above and the following:

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for surface area, assuming 3 meters distance

40 FOE option:

4 x Pi x (3 meters)^2 = 113.097335544 m2

4e45 Joules / 113.097 m2 = 3.536787005845e43 J/m2

Surface Area: 3.536787005845e43 J/m2 * 0.68 m2 = 2.405015163974e43 Joules or 0.24 FOE (Large Star level)

10 FOE option:

Just divide the result by 4.
So 0.06 FOE

1 FOE option:
Divide the result by 10.
So 0.006 FOE.
 
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going to update the black hole calc

Question shouldnt shaman abilities get a special verse hax like how nen has a page?

in time

also i propose possibly 3-a for the five elemental warriors last keys:

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Inb4 Shaman King becomes the next bleach u.u

I can't believe I never saw that scan about the 5 elementals until now. I really need to get back to reading the manga.
 
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IIRC, the patch tribe even in the earlier arcs of the series specify that what happens in the future is also dictated by the GS and if the GS made everything, wouldnt that be an indicator of time being created? That said, its been eons since I read the manga in full, so I don't have enough remembrance of the series atm to really give a strong argument for Low 2-C.
I don’t remember what other mentions of the GS/SK’s influence on the future say, but in ch 32 Goldva talks about how it’s impossible for the GS to know the future because it’s dependent on the interaction of natural phenomena and human will. I remember some points where they talk about it controlling the future of the world, but seem to be about how the Shaman King will control what happens during the next 500 years while they’re in power.
 
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In fairness, it is repeatedly stated verbatim IIRC that the Shaman King can even alter the world in any way they see fit should one becomes one and unites with the GS, but idk how meaningful that would be in this regard.
 
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well I have to wait as migue79 has asked one more calc member to check my calcs

After that, update hao to solid 3-a, other god tiers get large star for their last key, and possibly 3-a

I want more input on that last idea
 
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also i propose possibly 3-a for the five elemental warriors last keys:

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Should’ve credit me if you were gonna use my raw lol. This was brought up before but could be an outlier as that’s the only statement made of the elementals spirits being on that level though the Big Bang stuff would’ve been the authors original intent with this scene.
 

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Just a note that a Big Bang treated as a strictly physical explosion should contain far less energy than 3-A as far as I am aware.
 

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I don't remember, but think that somebody in this wiki calculated it at some point.
 
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so should we leave it alone and stick to tier 4 for the five elementals and 3-a for hao
Shouldnt they be High 4-C likelly 4-B (if the calc 4-B end gets accepted) Possibly 3-A???

We still dont know if the bing bang in shaman king is just a physical explosion
 

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I am not sure.

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Do you know what our standards are for tiering the energy of Big Bangs as physical explosions?
I've never seen such a calc, though I wouldn't be shocked if it existed somewhere. However, our Big Bang standards page does currently state that genuinely creating a Big Bang is to be considered 3-A, assuming this is an instance of the Big Bang similar to reality.
 
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By the way, small thing. When it comes to the statement of Hao's supernova's explosion "consuming entire galaxies", what chances would it be in being a flat out 3-B feat rather than just being luminosity?
 
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Hmm okie. Personally im fine with it being luminosity but under the chance it can mean the destruction of the galaxies, a surface area calc for it probably couldn't hurt to be made on the safe side.
 
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Hmm okie. Personally im fine with it being luminosity but under the chance it can mean the destruction of the galaxies, a surface area calc for it probably couldn't hurt to be made on the safe side.
from mig:
Energy: 8.953e68 Joules (Baseline Multi-Galaxy level) * 0.006012537909936 (this is the ratio of Yoh’s SA & the blast’s SA from 3 meters away) = 5.383025190765e66 Joules or 53.83 ZettaFOE (Galaxy level)
 
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Energy: 1.053e66 Joules (Baseline Galaxy level) * 0.006012537909936 (this is the ratio of Yoh’s SA & the blast’s SA from 3 meters away) = 6.318e63 Joules or 63.18 ExaFOE (Multi-Solar System level)
 
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