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Shalltear Bloodfallen vs Charizard

AquaWaifu said:
actually no I cant since as with Pikachu and Metwo the anime is seperate from the games.

Plus she will have to make direct eye contact with a flying opponent, which is usually difficult to do do to

and thats one move out of all the spells she can use. Why would she do that instead of say try to use her invisbility spell or wall of stone or mist form, which hell that would actually allow to evade Charizard's next move,


her only way to win is to use charm while all Charizard has to is blast out fire in her general direction.
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Bruh check her active spells she can stop Charizard from moving imprison charm eyes. Charizard has no hack resistances so implosion he just can't handle the hacks
 
has she used imprison onesomeone of her level let alone one 40 TIMES stronger than her...the answer is no since Ainz is for the most part the strongest character in the series. ( Im aware there are apparently others more powerful them in but....they dont factor into this)
 
That's the point of maximize Magic it make magic stronger second it would be the same as a Pikachu using thunder wave he gets stuck
 
uhh no.. you will not get me to agree with Maximize Magic amplifying her magic enough to bridge the 40 times gap in AP she and Charizard has without substantial proof.


and considering BASE Charizard is halfway into his tier. If Shalltear using maximize DID make a difference I would argue she would have to have a detail on her profile made to note that she is High 6-C with Maxmize Magic.

as it stands she is 6-C even WITH Maximize Magic.
 
If you can be wrapped or constricted by an arbok I'm pretty sure magic can hold plus it's not for just one person it's for a group used a against one person. It doesn't even need to hold him long either.

Also char would get overwhelmed by amount of mobs.
 
Arbok...


thats pure game mechanics and since Arbok does not have a profile here we cannot say it is on or below Shalltear's level. and no since the mob is WEAKER than Shalltear its gonna do jack shit to Charizard.
 
Desmiondo said:
Anime fire spin is a lot less aoe then game one. Anime is just flamethrower but at the end surrounds opponents.
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Ash's Charizard is also shit compared to Game Charizard. atleast going by the tier on Ash's profile.
 
Arbok does not have a profile but...I would assume if it did it would likely be 7-A or High 6-C depending on what it would scale to, regardless thats just game mechanics as there are no canon feats a charizard at tier High 6-C being constricted by an Arbok.


Also what are you even talking about with this "he can't hit her, she can hit him" nonsense? Charizard as a hugr arsenal of moves that can hit from the starting distance of 400meters and have a wide AoE due to being fire. Her one real method of winning is via direct eye contact.
 
Yeah ashes Charizard is just small and garbage but it's the move fire spin in the general that sucks rather than the Pokemon in the anime.
 
firespin being weak is game mechanicsas since it traps ingame and does continous damage over four to five turns it being weaker balances it.

"The target becomes trapped within a fierce vortex of fire that rages for four to five turns."

its in game description however says anything but weak.
 
Read her spells ok. Mist form blocks all Charizards moves when she wants to attack she can send invisible shockwaves that deal damage . Can send holy spears that don't miss and curse him. If he try's something else she's got greater teleportation. She can also fully block any attack with force sanctuary. Fire spin is weaker not game mechanics it's power is lower can he also spam hyper beams because recharging is

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this is ridiculous...again Im saying this for the last time Charizard is FORTY TIMES STRONGER..her magic spells for the most part arent going to do jackshit to him.


one hit, one even grazing hit is going to kill her.
 
She's not blocking something that is quite a bit beyond even what Ainz himself can dish out disregarding death spells or world items. Even if it did I'd imagine residual damage would still kill her.
 
Unless Charizard can break out of ekans wrap in the anime I don't care what it says on his page. See doesn't make a lot of sense.
 
I dont think it is impossible for her sanctuary to completely block an attack, you forget that this comes from a game or more specifically an MMO completely negating dmg is not anything incredible, I say as long as it is within the same tier Low 6-C to High 6-C it should be able to negate the dmg.
 
yeah...but in Overlord the series itself Ainz himself states its not 1 to 1 like a game anymore once he seemingly stays in the game, itsm ore like an actual WORLD with mana. Though it started as a game at the point in the series it is no longer a game world.
 
AquaWaifu said:
yeah...but in Overlord the series itself Ainz himself states its not 1 to 1 like a game anymore once he seemingly stays in the game, itsm ore like an actual WORLD with mana. Though it started as a game at the point in the series it is no longer a game world.
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Yeah, what he means by that is the world itself. It is not like the game because the world itself is not Yggdrasil. The abilities of Yggdrasil are nearly a direct import.
 
still thats making a big assumption to assume the abilities would work tht way based off of a similar abilty would in a real RPG. and plus again she has never fought anything on Charizard's level.
 
AquaWaifu said:
still thats making a big assumption to assume the abilities would work tht way based off of a similar abilty would in a real RPG. and plus again she has never fought anything on Charizard's level.
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It is not an assumption if that is basically the story. The abilities are a direct import but the world itself is not a game anymore.
 
Shaltear is incredibly likely to open with her charm if, in her arrogant nature, deems Charizard unfit to battle her. Then, she teleports infront and BAM. Charmed. It's literally as easy as that. The only reason why she didn't do any of those things before was because she either thought her enemies were so incredibly fodder that it wasn't even worth DOING that to them or the enemy (Ainz and such) were resistant/immune. Charizard has none of the benefits since she'd likely use detect life (Or whatever it was) and detect magic to determine Charizard's general stats. Should she think "Ohh tis' beast has a pretty big magic/HP pool. I'll just yoink this young one in the name of Ainz! I wonder what kind of undead it'd make", Charizard basically has no answer to her just teleporting infront and initiating the charm.
 
going by what you say a character with the negate damage would be if they were the lowest 6-C at 4.3 gigatons would be able to completely tank an attack 250 times stronger than them. which is ludicrous without proper showings.
 
@Rocker1189

plus if that ability DID do such a thing it SHOULD be stated as such on her durability section.

"High 6-C with Sanctuary"


you're essentially using MMO mechanics to justify a character defending against a level of AP they've never once been shown to tank through any means.
 
AquaWaifu said:
@Rocker1189
plus if that ability DID do such a thing it SHOULD be stated as such on her durability section.
"High 6-C with Sanctuary"


you're essentially using MMO mechanics to justify a character defending against a level of AP they've never once been shown to tank through any means.
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1. This character is At least 6-C so your comment does not apply here.

2. It wont be her durability because it is an ability. That is like saying Obito should have infinte durability because he has intangibility. The skill can be bypassed if you are inside the barrier. It is not tied to her durabilty in any way.

3. It is a character that comes from an MMO so again your comment does not apply here. it is the basis of the story. If you do not like it then idk contact the authors?

4. She is not tanking anything, she is erecting a barrier.
 
the hell it is tied to her durability as it is a barrier she conjures, to use another Character Steven from Steven Universe as a much higher durability via his shield and bubble compared to his actual physical durability.


Obito's thing isnt the same at all since it is not durability at all but ignoring the concept all together.

her barrier however IS tanking the force of the attack. it comes from HER mana pool. her magic stat.
 
AquaWaifu said:
the hell it is tied to her durability as it is a barrier she conjures, to use another Character Steven from Steven Universe as a much higher durability via his shield and bubble compared to his actual physical durability.

Obito's thing isnt the same at all since it is not durability at all but ignoring the concept all together.

her barrier however IS tanking the force of the attack. it comes from HER mana pool. her magic stat.
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The barrier comes from her mana pool but it is not passive it is something she activates, it is a spell that does a specific thing.
 
yeah and it should logically have a limit thus it would tie to her durablity.


Hell Ain himself has this on his profile

"At least Island level, Unknown when boosting his defenses with barriers, armor and more."
 
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