Seven Rings In Hand to Burn My Dread: Sonic vs Kotone Shiomi

[HST_Master]

Darkspine Sonic vs Universe Arcana Kotone

Speed Equal

Battle in Adamah

Not a Princess:

Super Saiyan Ikari Hedgehog:


Huh? Is that a Shadow?


That's the wrong Hedgehog!

 

[KnightOfSunlight]

>Not a princess uses Armageddon

>Wipes all out

GG

 

[HST_Master]

I see what you did there

 

[KnightOfSunlight]

Well, I wanted more, I guess

 

[Thatsafloridathing]

Bump

 

[HST_Master]

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[HST_Master]

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[Thatsafloridathing]

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[HST_Master]

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[Chrisras]

So, how far above baseline is Kotone? I kinda got lost in the persona revisions.

This also seems to depend with what Sonic starts with, since it seems Time hax works against the persona cast.

 

[KnightOfSunlight]

Very far. And no, time hax doesn't work.

But basically speaking, Kotone is equal to Minato, who is above Elizabeth, who is above Caroline and Justine, who are below endgame Joker, who is above baseline by an unquantifiable.

Armageddon one-shots every enemy in the game, even the final boss. Add on the laundry list of hax and other abilities, and that Kotone is functionally immune to elemental and physical attacks, and this is pretty close to a stomp.

For more info on Personas in general, check Ren Amamiya's page. He has the most updated profile, everyone else is in the process of being brought up to his standard.

 

[Chrisras]

mmmmmmmmmmK but why Time hax doesn't work? Ren's the only one of the Persona protags that has resistane to time stop, unless they scale to each other?

Also then, as far has I'm aware, Sonic scales to being above a guy that's Low 2-C via being present, but I still thinks that that's way lower than Kotone's scaling chain, thus, this seems like she can already oneshot with any attack, even more taking into account all the passive buffs she can get with stuff like Auto-Tarukaja and the like.

Sonic's way of dealign damage would consist mostly of stuff Kotone doesn't resist, like Black hole creation or void, and BFR, but it seems unlikely for Sonic, even more in Darkspine form, to start with any of these, while Kotone can just breack trough any of Sonic's passive shield and decrease his stats so he can't dodge nor tank, thus touching would result in oneshot. (Not even counting Armageddon.)

Thus, I declare this kinda of stompy smh.

 

[Theuser789]

Darkspine Sonic would probaly use Time Break, Speed Break and physical attacks, and he stomped Erazor

Though there's a CTR that will add some abilities to Darkspine Sonic

 

[KnightOfSunlight]

Yeah but the AP gap here is too huge really, I'd say this leans heavily into stomp tier.

 

[Theuser789]

Probaly

Though Darkspine is getting Conceptual manipulation type 3 plus other stuff

 

[Corgi_the_Gen_Z_God]

Does Sonic get his other previous abilities too from his base form?

 

[Theuser789]

Yes he does

 

[KnightOfSunlight]

From what I've read, the Concept Manip Type 3 isn't combat applicable. Or at least, he doesn't use it in combat.

 

[ShakeResounding]

I think it's combat applicable, just OOC

 

[ShinyMagicalGirl]

Didn't Darkspine already beat Persona Nyarlathotep? Seems like he could beat Minako too, if that's the case. Then again, that's a very outdated matchup due to P1/P2 2-C to 2-B shenanigans and Nyar was missing A LOT of hax in that page that time.