Servant Tier List (Skill-based)

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Lemme see if I can find what is it that happened to him, perhaps that could explain it. Otherwise, there doesn't seem to be much that opposes that statement besides whatever happened in their myths?

 

[John985]

I havent read the new year event yet, but there was a quite a lot of fights in there. Beni even manage to beat Musashi.

 

[Creaturemaster971]

Was this "Zero" Musashi?

 

[John985]

That's why I said I havent read it yet so not sure, If I remember it right on one of discussion on reddit. Yes it was the Zero Musashi.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Well, for one it seems likely that Fionn's very different looks in Zero were due to some trouble with a goddess. Don't know if it's from the very myth or from nasuverse information, but his hair turned Gray? Not to mention he was a good bit older when the situation with Diarmuid happened, so he was likely past his prime. Finally, he mentions being wallowed in the mountains of politicking and responsibility that came with his success and riches and not being able to quest and adventure like his Knights, hence his envy. It seems reasonable to argue he was pretty out of it too, so it doesn't seem unlikely Diarmuid was better by this point in time.

 

[Creaturemaster971]

Oooooooh boy.

Okay so unless Beni is indeed a being of infinite skill this might be either an outlier or a case of ability/stat matchups rather than combat skill

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Well, for one it seems likely that Fionn's very different looks in Zero were due to some trouble with a goddess. Don't know if it's from the very myth or from nasuverse information, but his hair turned Gray?

I thought that was just a retcon for what he looked like.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

We have already decided before that events and interludes can just be ruled outlier at times. Like Nitocris going against Ozi of all people and winning, and he wasn't even alone.

 

[Creaturemaster971]

The only series where statements are more consistent and reliable than events

 

[RegisNex1232]

That's why I said I havent read it yet so not sure, If I remember it right on one of discussion on reddit. Yes it was the Zero Musashi.

Then go and read the event rather than spreading your own speculation to get the context. Honestly I don't get this need to say stuff without context just to say something.

 

[John985]

The reason I didnt read it cause it doesnt interest me. And Im not even sure if that event can be use for scaling cause some interludes dont matter here because it might be outlier or something.

There's also this thing https://imgur.com/a/hAAiOim

>The Mooncell temporarily made BB a Servant as countermeasure and sent her to the FGO universe.

but got no response.

 

[RegisNex1232]

Context is always the main thing that differentiates between outliers and non outliers and automatically dismissing stuff without understanding anything behind it is hardly logical or intelligent.

 

[Creaturemaster971]

Where would Merlin and Solomon be. With them it seems to be more knowledge than skill.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

I thought that was just a retcon for what he looked like.

It could have been, but we do know Fionn is summoned on his prime unlike when he was shown in Zero, which is when he's older and an actual Monarch more than an adventurous knight. Plus he did have an incident with a god in his myth that changed his hair.

@Jordan In general I thought about this list being mainly structured by types more than by levels. Solomon, Merlin and Medea are immensely skilled, but as magus instead of fighters.

 

[Creaturemaster971]

I'm organizing it more by combat skill. E.g. Solomon is more knowledgeable on different types of magic and has a greater repertoire of spells, but Medea seems to be more skilled at wielding the spells she has

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

That's more because of their personalities. It's noted that Medea is using skills and spells that she would normally never use or maybe just didn't use in life, but she's got to survve somehow in the war.\

Her lack of experience is obvious in her battle with Archer not even noticing his swords, or just her general arrogance with Rin that got her beat up. She's intelligent, but just pulling stuff off in battle to survive without prior planning isn't her strong suit.

 

[Creaturemaster971]

Ah, got it. So she'd be less skilled than Merlin, because he actually has some combat experience and has trained skilled warriors himself.

Solomon on the other hand mostly seems to avoid combat and has trouble in such situations due to his anxiety

 

[Gemmysaur]

Merlin prefers using a sword over his magecraft because he tends to flub his casting.

Iirc, Solomon as well.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

No wonder Flat is so good, anyone worth money with magecraft is an oddball.

 

[Creaturemaster971]

Would you say that Merlin has mastered swordsmanship to the same extent as Arthur?

 

[Gemmysaur]

We don't know. Arturia grew up with knights so she may not have gotten her swordsmanship from Merlin at all. Especially since we know Merlin prefer's one-handed based on his game animation.

 

[Creaturemaster971]

Right, and he probably would have been more of an advisor than a sensei or whatever they called it in Camelot

 

[Gemmysaur]

If I remember correctly, Merlin prefers to be hands off on most things, unless he really needs to interfere. Also, I think Arturia got most of her knightly stuff from Ector. But that may not hold true in the Fate lore.

 

[Creaturemaster971]

His page states that he taught her swordsmanship. It could be that two-handed is just more suitable to her physiology

 

[Gemmysaur]

Maybe. She is tiny af so that may be key to why she does, unlike Arthur who's got a huge sword.

 

[Creaturemaster971]

Yeah her fighting style is a lot more precise and acrobatic than male Arthur, going off of their fgo animations and respective animes

 

[Ramesses_the_Sun_King]

I don't like Karna's justification. Saying that he surpasses Gods with nothing but skill is weird since the statement itself is pretty much just saying that he is in the domain of gods when it comes to skill.

"However, even for an excellent swordsman, it is not a matter of course that every spear thrust can be defended against without fail. It is all the more impossible to fully receive the constant attacks of a spearman that has stepped so far into the domain of gods."

Chiron shot down Atalanta's arrows yes but it wasn't her fullpower arrows plus she wasn't expecting someone to snipe them down. Both of them were stated to have talent that reaches the domain of the Gods. Kind of implies that they are equal or at least in the same ballpark.

"Furthermore, the two Archers, who boasted of talent that reached the domain of the gods, fired arrows in succession through the gaps between their two spearmen allies without minding them as they approached the enemy."

Achilles manages to block their arrows multiple times even when he was basically half dead. Plus he was stated to be very close to the level of Gods when alive.

There's not much basis to put Mash above Gawain. Base Gawain fought Karna in Foxtail relatively evenly skillwise and he fought Lancelot to a draw with Numeral active.

Servant Yagyu is>Zero Musashi at the moment.

According to Yagyu's new interlude.

Servant Yagyu has achieved Sword Saint status while the living Shimosa version has yet to do so.

Post Zero Musashi thinks she can't contend with Servant Yagyu at her current level due to his perfected skill and mentality.

 

[Creaturemaster971]

Alright, I'll adjust the wording for Karna's segment.

So you're saying that Chiron, Atalanta, and Achilles should all be around the same level? What would that then say about Arash?

Galahad is listed that high for easily defeated several highly-skilled Servants at once with what seemed to be nothing but his own skill, and Mash possesses his abilities

 

[Ramesses_the_Sun_King]

I think Chiron and Atalanta are around the same level. Achilles might be higher since he surpassed Chiron and managed to do some insane stuff like the Np level punch. Arash is fine where he is.

Eh that's kind of exaggerated. The only "highly skilled" Servant he fought were Fionn and Ushi and he pretty much only landed one hit on either of them before Salter used Excalibur.

Mashu hasn't demonstrated anything on that level so even if Galahad belongs in that tier you can't say the same thing about Mash.

Gawain gained the upper hand against Karna a few times during their battle in fox tail with his sword skill. He also fought Lancelot to a draw in Numeral.

Saber Lancelot should at least be in the same tier as Siegfried with Arondight.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

I would actually say he should be above Siegfried from the comments we have and stuff he has pulled off, but not by any big margin.

Raikou likewise should be his equal or close considering the basis for their Eternal Arms Mastership skill is the same.

 

[Creaturemaster971]

Lancelot with Arondight would definitely be quite high, but would that be the same for him with Knight of Owner?

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

It's not any different, Knight of Owner just turns what he grabs and can use as a weapon into an NP and Arondight boosts his physical stats, his skill is the exact same.

 

[Creaturemaster971]

Oh, I see. Alright, do you think he and Raikou should be on Sigurd's level?

 

[Creaturemaster971]

Bump

 

[Creaturemaster971]

Bump

 

[KnightOfSunlight]

Artoria needs to be in the same tier as her knights, likely slightly above them, since she was equal/slightly better than all of them.

 

[Creaturemaster971]

On Lancelot: "fighting prowess many times greater than even King Arthur and the ability to match Gawain until wounding him at nightfall"

 

[KnightOfSunlight]

Gawain also might need to fall, because he only matched Lancelot with his power, not skill. Whenever his boosts from the Sun waned, Lancelot skillstomped him.

So rescale the other knights to A and put Artoria into the same tier.

 

[Creaturemaster971]

Done, though I've placed them in B, as A is reserved for Servants with such feats as mastering all melee weapons or possessing skills such as Eternal Arms Mastery

 

[DragonEmperor23]

So we have three people at the top. Nice.