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Senna's Feat
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Okay. What is the Dangai?
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Basically the scaling logic we currently have goes like this Ant: God Tiers AP > Dangai Durability > Senna’s Explosion which occurs within the Dangai.
Damage if your skeptical about the movie’s statements, I’d be cool with like “At least (calc), possibly (movie statement)”.
Damage if your skeptical about the movie’s statements, I’d be cool with like “At least (calc), possibly (movie statement)”.
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The boundary that connects the Soul Society and the World of the Living.
Well, her explosions that did the feat weren't enough to destroy the Dangai, Yhwach can destroy the Dangai meaning he can release higher energy than her feat.
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I'm just looking for clarification from DT at the moment. Will wait for then.
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Skeptical about the statements from 2 of the smartest guy in Bleach? I don't think you can get anymore blatant than that...
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Not that I'm aware of. That is a good question though. We're essentially applying a explosion feat to saying "The durability of the dimension = the energy of the explosion(s) since the dimension didn't collapse from the explosions going off inside of it."
Not entirely sure if that's how dimensional durability can be quantified, would have to see what our standards are on that.
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Wasn't it also mentioned in the CFYOW novel?
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Yes, it was implied at the end of the manga that Yhwach was going to do his job there, also it was using his spiritual energy as it was also stated in CFYOW.
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The Blanks and gravity are two different things. I’m fine with going with “At least [calc], possibly [statements]”. I don’t think DT is coming back lol.
It’s what we currently accept yes. Dangai wasn’t destroyed by said explosion. Additionally, there are other databook statements that support this.
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Please elaborate/provide evidence.
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It was accepted in Cyber’s god tier thread a couple months ago. I’m not at my computer, and I don’t have to reprove what we already accept in all respect.
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Damage and AKM, actually it was Damage’s suggestion to interpret as Dangai destruction and AKM and Medeus agreed as far as I remember.
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https://vsbattles.com/threads/yhwach-destroyer-of-worlds-bleach-god-tier-revision.116084/page-12
This thread will probably help.
This thread will probably help.
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Dude like 6 staff members did. I understand you’re very busy given your position but you can’t keep taking the word of a single person when they get debunked
You’ve been involved in this thread for a while
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I'm waiting for a comment from DT before I accept my latest query as being "debunked".
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So
Senna explosion happend in Dangai as well
Dangai durability tanks it
Yhwach can destroy Dangai
So, Yhwach power > dangai durability >> Senna feat
The profiles already cover it, the difference is just the value now due more informations about the size of the realms
Yhwach
Yhwach (ユーハバッハ, Yūhabahha?) is the Father of the Quincy, the monarch of the Wandenreich, and the son of the Soul King, known by the designation "A" - The Almighty. As a baby, Yhwach was incapable of sight, speech, or even the slightest movement, but never feared or despaired, as he knew he would...
vsbattles.fandom.com
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Completely understandable man, I’m not gonna argue anything further I promise
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Guys let's be real here, the thread was created to discuss an update to an already accepted calc. 80% of what has been discussed here had nothing to do with the main purpose of the thread, you don't want to scale the god tiers? cool, let's make another thread after this one to talk about scaling. You don't accept the current cosmology? cool, let's make another thread after this.
It's not necessarily that everything should be done immediately right now right here, honestly, this is a derailment and I don't blame Arc for being angry about what's going on here.
Let's just discuss the main topic and move on, I will quote something here that is important and most of you haven't read probably.
Let's stay on the main topic, it's not so hard I believe I know many disagree with current stuff (including me) but this is not the place to talk about everything related to bleach it's only to talk about the new update for the calc.
It's not necessarily that everything should be done immediately right now right here, honestly, this is a derailment and I don't blame Arc for being angry about what's going on here.
Let's just discuss the main topic and move on, I will quote something here that is important and most of you haven't read probably.
So don't worry, after this thread does your own threads about cosmology, scaling, etc it's not like a bleach thread can only happen once a year and it's not common here that your thread will take months to finish.
Let's stay on the main topic, it's not so hard I believe I know many disagree with current stuff (including me) but this is not the place to talk about everything related to bleach it's only to talk about the new update for the calc.
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Newton law of relativity applies to pushing a rock down a hill but moving a rock on a straight line are not the same concepts. The rock will never be moved by gravity on a road if you push it. It has to be pulled. The dimensions were vertical not horizontal.
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The explosions happened in the Dangai as Arc’s scan above mentions.
The Dangai wasn't destroyed meaning it has higher durability, Yhwach was going to destroy the Dangai so Yhwach >> Senna’s explosions.Tyri so graciously found this for me, so yes they occurred in the Dangai, which we accept Yhwach can destroy and scales above, end of discussion.
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I've pinged him in one of my posts up above.
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So, in this picture, we are shown that senna explosion happend in dangai as well
But dangai wasnt destroyed, but Yhwach can destroy dangai
So, Yhwach power > dangai durability > senna explosion
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Btw DT said the method is fine now of the calc. And proposed a 3A scenario, but he is neutral on that. We can wait for him again Though, for confirmation.
But at least now you can see, why every staff member (at least 5) agreed with the upgrade for the calc or for the statements On this thread.
if you have further doubts you can check Yhwach profile, and the OP itself, the Dangai scan is posted above.
But at least now you can see, why every staff member (at least 5) agreed with the upgrade for the calc or for the statements On this thread.
if you have further doubts you can check Yhwach profile, and the OP itself, the Dangai scan is posted above.
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Okay. I still find it weird to be able to use an explosion to merge the worlds of the living and the dead, but if that is how the story works, I suppose that there isn't much to do about it.
Were any characters in the movie stronger than Senna?
Were any characters in the movie stronger than Senna?
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Normal/base Senna yeah, but no one scales to that feat from the movie.
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I think it might be because you are slightly confused.
Dangai is the border/boundary that separates the Soul Society and the World of the living meaning it keeps the 2 realms completely separated from each other. If there was no Dangai these realms would merge together. It is also referred to as a separate world between the two realms.
In case of the Senna feat, due to the blank souls a huge pulling force was created which started pulling the wotl and the ss towards each other on a collision course. In order to stop these universes from colliding and being completely destroyed Senna as the shinenju (ruler of the blanks kinda) uses all the energy stored from the blanks to set off explosions in the dangai which pushed back the universes and prevented them from colliding.
For Yhwach based on our last God tiers thread it was agreed upon that he would be able to destroy the dangai entirely. The same dangai that tanked Senna's explosion and was fine. So the scaling chain as mentioned above goes Yhwach power > dangai durability > senna explosion
Nope.
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This actually shouldn’t be relevant now that I think about it because the Blanks themselves are stated to be able to generate energy that can slam the dimensions together hard enough to destroy them. The movie statements about the Blanks power has nothing to do with gravity.
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Why are we now waiting on a question related to gravity when everything has already been discussed and we have more than enough mods/calc team who have accepted either the calc or the 3A option (specifically 3 for this). Gravity is literally what is stated to have happened at the end of the film.
Cosmological questions keep popping up here that are completely unrelated as well.
Can we conclude this thread given the overwhelming support?
Cosmological questions keep popping up here that are completely unrelated as well.
Can we conclude this thread given the overwhelming support?
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In practice, aren't both similar? They're attractive forces?
I just want to check with DT if it is legit.
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