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That also involves the animals level of intelligence, so, not as high as it seems.What about teaching animals a style tailored just for them?
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That also involves the animals level of intelligence, so, not as high as it seems.What about teaching animals a style tailored just for them?
You mean for example, if lets say Goku had genius rating by his combat intelligence, that gets ridden off?Going by a recent staff forum discussion thread, we will likely get rid of intelligence ratings for fighting skills soon.
Basically yes. If the changes are pretty obvious and not extremely controversial. You can also use it to affirm what ranking a feat would getQuestion for this thread. Do you just go here to revise a character's intelligence rating? Like there is no need to make a CRT in Content Revision section as long as it isn't too complex? Or smth? I just noticed this place and unsure if I read Ant's first post in this thread right.
What about characters who explicitly are based on intelligence, like Shiro? That just eliminates most of their worth for being on the wiki, and it also makes intelligence-based fights like this a lot more difficult to debate without a proper line-up of feats. I think fighting skill would be a good optional addition to a profile, sort of like standard tactics is, rather than replacing intelligence outrightGoing by a recent staff forum discussion thread, we will likely get rid of intelligence ratings for fighting skills soon.
Shiro isn't a fighting skill based character. She's pure, calculative intelligence. While it does aid her in very specific combat scenarios, she is mostly meant to be extraordinarily good at "gaming." Also, the vsbw is more focused on just indexing superhuman fictional characters in general, rather than it being for the point of purely dexing their combative abilities for the purposes of vs debating.What about characters who explicitly are based on intelligence, like Shiro? That just eliminates most of their worth for being on the wiki, and it also makes intelligence-based fights like this a lot more difficult to debate without a proper line-up of feats. I think fighting skill would be a good optional addition to a profile, sort of like standard tactics is, rather than replacing intelligence outright
I misinterpreted what ant was saying, I though he meant we were replacing intelligence ratings for battle iq only, which made no sense to me lol, mbShiro isn't a fighting skill based character. She's pure, calculative intelligence. While it does aid her in very specific combat scenarios, she is mostly meant to be extraordinarily good at "gaming." Also, the vsbw is more focused on just indexing superhuman fictional characters in general, rather than it being for the point of purely dexing their combative abilities for the purposes of vs debating.
Anyway, I still think this decision is ridiculous, lol. If you're gonna be an indexing and categorization wiki you should definitely index and categorize combative skills. That's pretty ******* important.
Yeah, again, we should be taking any character's intelligence, regardless of how said intelligence is applied, and analysing it as a whole (so not just focusing on how it can be used for fighting, but essentially what they are capable of with their intelligence in general, since overall intelligence can determine what a character is likely to do and be capable of, and not likely to do or be capable of, within various contexts).I misinterpreted what ant was saying, I though he meant we were replacing intelligence ratings for battle iq only, which made no sense to me lol, mb
I do agree with Phoenks on this though. There are tons of characters who perform particularly well in combat, and not indexing battle intelligence is like ignoring a whole part of their character
I like skill debates and I think character skills are very important since there are a lot of fights that come down to skill, also I just got done making a massive revision, I don't want that shit to go to waste.Shiro isn't a fighting skill based character. She's pure, calculative intelligence. While it does aid her in very specific combat scenarios, she is mostly meant to be extraordinarily good at "gaming." Also, the vsbw is more focused on just indexing superhuman fictional characters in general, rather than it being for the point of purely dexing their combative abilities for the purposes of vs debating.
Anyway, I still think this decision is ridiculous, lol. If you're gonna be an indexing and categorization wiki you should definitely index and categorize combative skills. That's pretty ******* important.
You're missing some feats too. Kenpachi also after just picking up an Asauchi was able to solo the Rukongai's criminals and duel Unohana as a child, and after beating her was stated to fight the real Yhwach, who gave Yamamoto one of his most difficult battles and is superior in skill to her. He also easily dismantled the Espada's best swordsman Nnoitra with ease while adjusting his blade to cut his Hierro.Kenpachi Zaraki:
Despite his seeming disregard for any strategy and his self-admitted aversion to thinking, Kenpachi has regularly displayed more understanding than one would expect. Even Byakuya was impressed by Kenpachi's ability to understand things he has no personal experience with. He is very adept at finding and exploiting weaknesses in his opponents' techniques, and likewise at adjusting to his opponent's attack patterns and battle methods to better counter them. This was demonstrated when he was subdued by Kaname Tōsen's Bankai, leaving him with only his blade and sense of touch, which prompted him to let Tōsen strike him simply so he could catch his opponent. He is also deceptively insightful, able to notice subtle traits in people and see what drives a person's actions; he correctly singled out Kaname Tōsen and Gin Ichimaru as the only captains who are afraid to die. He possesses sharp intuition towards incoming danger, which allowed him to repeatedly dodge Tōsen's assault while still affected by his Bankai. While claiming not to have any common sense, Kenpachi can still theorize, as he deduced that Gremmy Thoumeaux's The Visionary only works on one target at a time and all effects on a previous target will disappear. (This was plagurized from comicvine btw)
"At least Gifted, likely Genius" rating makes sense to me. But I suggest you also get other people's opinions.I was working on revamping the intelligence section for a certain character in a sandbox, and I was wondering if any of the feats presented would qualify for “Genius”?
Bump?I was working on revamping the intelligence section for a certain character in a sandbox, and I was wondering if any of the feats presented would qualify for “Genius”?
Perhaps "At least Above Average" would be appropriate?Kenpachi Zaraki:
Despite his seeming disregard for any strategy and his self-admitted aversion to thinking, Kenpachi has regularly displayed more understanding than one would expect. Even Byakuya was impressed by Kenpachi's ability to understand things he has no personal experience with. He is very adept at finding and exploiting weaknesses in his opponents' techniques, and likewise at adjusting to his opponent's attack patterns and battle methods to better counter them. This was demonstrated when he was subdued by Kaname Tōsen's Bankai, leaving him with only his blade and sense of touch, which prompted him to let Tōsen strike him simply so he could catch his opponent. He is also deceptively insightful, able to notice subtle traits in people and see what drives a person's actions; he correctly singled out Kaname Tōsen and Gin Ichimaru as the only captains who are afraid to die. He possesses sharp intuition towards incoming danger, which allowed him to repeatedly dodge Tōsen's assault while still affected by his Bankai. While claiming not to have any common sense, Kenpachi can still theorize, as he deduced that Gremmy Thoumeaux's The Visionary only works on one target at a time and all effects on a previous target will disappear. (This was plagurized from comicvine btw)
No, just Gifted. Psychopaths simply don't have any borders whatsoever for the cruelties deviced in their strategic thinking processes.I was working on revamping the intelligence section for a certain character in a sandbox, and I was wondering if any of the feats presented would qualify for “Genius”?
Kenpachi also after just picking up an Asauchi was able to solo the Rukongai's criminals and duel Unohana as a child, and after beating Unohana in the TYBW was stated to have a fighting chance against the real Yhwach, who gave Yamamoto one of his most difficult battles and is superior in skill to her. He also easily dismantled the Espada's best swordsman Nnoitra with ease while adjusting his blade to cut his Hierro.Perhaps "At least Above Average" would be appropriate?
I’m sorry, but could you clarify what you mean? I didn’t understand.Psychopaths simply don't have any borders whatsoever for the cruelties deviced in their strategic thinking processes.
I meant that unrestrained intelligence solely dedicated for cruelty is not the same as actual genius.I’m sorry, but could you clarify what you mean? I didn’t understand.
That doesn't matter for general intelligence though.Kenpachi also after just picking up an Asauchi was able to solo the Rukongai's criminals and duel Unohana as a child, and after beating Unohana in the TYBW was stated to have a fighting chance against the real Yhwach, who gave Yamamoto one of his most difficult battles and is superior in skill to her. He also easily dismantled the Espada's best swordsman Nnoitra with ease while adjusting his blade to cut his Hierro.
It currently seems like our wiki will stop giving intelligence tiers for fighting skill.Ikkaku being Above Average in combat should be fixed. Here's my claims on him being Gifted in combat:
Ikkaku Intellligence
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This is tactics + skill. Ikkaku tricking his enemy into adapting to a predictable fighting style and overall using his weapon to fool others is more in lines of intellect, not notably skill.It currently seems like our wiki will stop giving intelligence tiers for fighting skill.