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That also involves the animals level of intelligence, so, not as high as it seems.
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Self-evident intelligence revisions thread
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You mean for example, if lets say Goku had genius rating by his combat intelligence, that gets ridden off?Going by a recent staff forum discussion thread, we will likely get rid of intelligence ratings for fighting skills soon.
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Question for this thread. Do you just go here to revise a character's intelligence rating? Like there is no need to make a CRT in Content Revision section as long as it isn't too complex? Or smth? I just noticed this place and unsure if I read Ant's first post in this thread right.
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Basically yes. If the changes are pretty obvious and not extremely controversial. You can also use it to affirm what ranking a feat would get
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I think getting rid of Intelligence Ratings isn't a very intelligent decision.
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What about characters who explicitly are based on intelligence, like Shiro? That just eliminates most of their worth for being on the wiki, and it also makes intelligence-based fights like this a lot more difficult to debate without a proper line-up of feats. I think fighting skill would be a good optional addition to a profile, sort of like standard tactics is, rather than replacing intelligence outrightGoing by a recent staff forum discussion thread, we will likely get rid of intelligence ratings for fighting skills soon.
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Shiro isn't a fighting skill based character. She's pure, calculative intelligence. While it does aid her in very specific combat scenarios, she is mostly meant to be extraordinarily good at "gaming." Also, the vsbw is more focused on just indexing superhuman fictional characters in general, rather than it being for the point of purely dexing their combative abilities for the purposes of vs debating.What about characters who explicitly are based on intelligence, like Shiro? That just eliminates most of their worth for being on the wiki, and it also makes intelligence-based fights like this a lot more difficult to debate without a proper line-up of feats. I think fighting skill would be a good optional addition to a profile, sort of like standard tactics is, rather than replacing intelligence outright
Anyway, I still think this decision is ridiculous, lol. If you're gonna be an indexing and categorization wiki you should definitely index and categorize combative skills. That's pretty ******* important.
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I misinterpreted what ant was saying, I though he meant we were replacing intelligence ratings for battle iq only, which made no sense to me lol, mb
I do agree with Phoenks on this though. There are tons of characters who perform particularly well in combat, and not indexing battle intelligence is like ignoring a whole part of their character
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Yeah, again, we should be taking any character's intelligence, regardless of how said intelligence is applied, and analysing it as a whole (so not just focusing on how it can be used for fighting, but essentially what they are capable of with their intelligence in general, since overall intelligence can determine what a character is likely to do and be capable of, and not likely to do or be capable of, within various contexts).I misinterpreted what ant was saying, I though he meant we were replacing intelligence ratings for battle iq only, which made no sense to me lol, mb
I do agree with Phoenks on this though. There are tons of characters who perform particularly well in combat, and not indexing battle intelligence is like ignoring a whole part of their character
Indeed, most military special force and commando units are often required to be well-versed in both combat skill and intelligence in various academic fields, and perhaps as a correlation, there are quite a few examples of people who are notable for both general intelligence and combat skill, and instances where said general intelligence contributes to combat skill.
Please corroborate the following (the real life example sections/pages) with Wikipedia or other reputable valid and reliable/accurate and precise sources, and yes there will be quite a few familiar names:
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I like skill debates and I think character skills are very important since there are a lot of fights that come down to skill, also I just got done making a massive revision, I don't want that shit to go to waste.
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Yeah, gonna be honest it's gonna be a bit weird looking at characters like Luffy or Goky without the combat intelligence difference. Cause it's a built in distinction between them and trying to fuse it just feels cursed no matter which direction you put it in.
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See here for further information:
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DontTalk seems to have good arguments in this regard.
Establishing combat skill requirements
Lonkitt's Suggestion on page 5 is currently what the goal is I will preface this thread by saying two things: what I write here is not final, and can be argued with, disagreed with, etc. Before this can go live, at least a one example must be listed for all ratings. Animalistic: With only...
DontTalk seems to have good arguments in this regard.
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Kenpachi Zaraki:
Despite his seeming disregard for any strategy and his self-admitted aversion to thinking, Kenpachi has regularly displayed more understanding than one would expect. Even Byakuya was impressed by Kenpachi's ability to understand things he has no personal experience with. He is very adept at finding and exploiting weaknesses in his opponents' techniques, and likewise at adjusting to his opponent's attack patterns and battle methods to better counter them. This was demonstrated when he was subdued by Kaname Tōsen's Bankai, leaving him with only his blade and sense of touch, which prompted him to let Tōsen strike him simply so he could catch his opponent. He is also deceptively insightful, able to notice subtle traits in people and see what drives a person's actions; he correctly singled out Kaname Tōsen and Gin Ichimaru as the only captains who are afraid to die. He possesses sharp intuition towards incoming danger, which allowed him to repeatedly dodge Tōsen's assault while still affected by his Bankai. While claiming not to have any common sense, Kenpachi can still theorize, as he deduced that Gremmy Thoumeaux's The Visionary only works on one target at a time and all effects on a previous target will disappear. (This was plagurized from comicvine btw)
Despite his seeming disregard for any strategy and his self-admitted aversion to thinking, Kenpachi has regularly displayed more understanding than one would expect. Even Byakuya was impressed by Kenpachi's ability to understand things he has no personal experience with. He is very adept at finding and exploiting weaknesses in his opponents' techniques, and likewise at adjusting to his opponent's attack patterns and battle methods to better counter them. This was demonstrated when he was subdued by Kaname Tōsen's Bankai, leaving him with only his blade and sense of touch, which prompted him to let Tōsen strike him simply so he could catch his opponent. He is also deceptively insightful, able to notice subtle traits in people and see what drives a person's actions; he correctly singled out Kaname Tōsen and Gin Ichimaru as the only captains who are afraid to die. He possesses sharp intuition towards incoming danger, which allowed him to repeatedly dodge Tōsen's assault while still affected by his Bankai. While claiming not to have any common sense, Kenpachi can still theorize, as he deduced that Gremmy Thoumeaux's The Visionary only works on one target at a time and all effects on a previous target will disappear. (This was plagurized from comicvine btw)
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You're missing some feats too. Kenpachi also after just picking up an Asauchi was able to solo the Rukongai's criminals and duel Unohana as a child, and after beating her was stated to fight the real Yhwach, who gave Yamamoto one of his most difficult battles and is superior in skill to her. He also easily dismantled the Espada's best swordsman Nnoitra with ease while adjusting his blade to cut his Hierro.
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I was working on revamping the intelligence section for a certain character in a sandbox, and I was wondering if any of the feats presented would qualify for “Genius”?
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"At least Gifted, likely Genius" rating makes sense to me. But I suggest you also get other people's opinions.
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Bump?
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Perhaps "At least Above Average" would be appropriate?
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No, just Gifted. Psychopaths simply don't have any borders whatsoever for the cruelties deviced in their strategic thinking processes.
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Kenpachi also after just picking up an Asauchi was able to solo the Rukongai's criminals and duel Unohana as a child, and after beating Unohana in the TYBW was stated to have a fighting chance against the real Yhwach, who gave Yamamoto one of his most difficult battles and is superior in skill to her. He also easily dismantled the Espada's best swordsman Nnoitra with ease while adjusting his blade to cut his Hierro.
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Also Unohana is a master of 8000 sword styles, and as her title of Kenpachi stands, also is superior to everyone in the Gotei 13 in that aspect with Yamamoto being the exception of course. This includes Aizen and Urahara, both who have also performed the same feat.
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Ikkaku being Above Average in combat should be fixed. Here's my claims on him being Gifted in combat:
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Ikkaku Intellligence
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I’m sorry, but could you clarify what you mean? I didn’t understand.
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I meant that unrestrained intelligence solely dedicated for cruelty is not the same as actual genius.
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That doesn't matter for general intelligence though.
It currently seems like our wiki will stop giving intelligence tiers for fighting skill.Ikkaku being Above Average in combat should be fixed. Here's my claims on him being Gifted in combat:
Ikkaku Intellligence
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This is tactics + skill. Ikkaku tricking his enemy into adapting to a predictable fighting style and overall using his weapon to fool others is more in lines of intellect, not notably skill.
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If intelligence for combat gets taken away, where does the info on them go for the intelligence in general?
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Wouldnt it be weird to have for example to goku having all that knowledge he had for combat yet be rated by his overall intelligence?
Like it makes sense for an average person in IQ have knowledge in an area that seems more impressive then the rating says? How is that handled?
Like it makes sense for an average person in IQ have knowledge in an area that seems more impressive then the rating says? How is that handled?
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You will have to ask DontTalk about that.
Here is the thread in question:
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Here is the thread in question:
Establishing combat skill requirements
Lonkitt's Suggestion on page 5 is currently what the goal is I will preface this thread by saying two things: what I write here is not final, and can be argued with, disagreed with, etc. Before this can go live, at least a one example must be listed for all ratings. Animalistic: With only...
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Urashiki Ōtsutsuki
Urashiki Ōtsutsuki is a descendant of the Ōtsutsuki Clan's central family, and an antagonist in Boruto: Naruto Next Generations. Tier: At least 6-C, Varies with Absorbed Techniques | At least 6-C Key: Base | Evolved Form Name: Urashiki Ōtsutsuki Origin: Naruto Gender: Male Age: Unknown...
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Sarada Uchiha
Sarada Uchiha (うちはサラダ, Uchiha Sarada) is a kunoichi from Konohagakure's Uchiha clan and a member of Team Konohamaru, daughter of Sasuke Uchiha who was raised by her mother, Sakura Haruno. Initially, having grown up without her father around, Sarada was curious about Sasuke questioning her own...
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I might be beating a dead horse here as I mentioned this before, but I believe that until a revision is made for them to be fitting for genius intelligence, it should be removed from their profiles. Neither characters are ranked genius nor have any feats shown on their profiles to warrant them having it
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Establishing combat skill requirements
So what should we do here? If we decide against set fighting skill statistics, we need to update our official standards in that regard. 🙏
We're gonna need to settle both this thread and the other one I linked above ^.
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Kazuma Kiryu
Kazuma Kiryu (桐生 一馬, Kiryū Kazuma) is the former main protagonist of the Yakuza series from the first Yakuza up until Yakuza 6. His legendary ascent through the ranks of the Tojo Clan earned him the nickname "The Dragon of Dojima" (堂島の龍, Dōjima no Ryū). He was the fourth chairman of the Tojo...
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Takayuki Yagami
Takayuki Yagami (八神 隆之, Yagami Takayuki) is the main playable protagonist of Judgment and its sequel, Lost Judgement. Yagami was a lawyer until the guilt of his recently acquitted client murdering his girlfriend causes him to resign from his job at Genda Law Office and became a private...
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Both are pretty self evident for Genius Intelligence.
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That is probably fine then.Urashiki Ōtsutsuki
Urashiki Ōtsutsuki is a descendant of the Ōtsutsuki Clan's central family, and an antagonist in Boruto: Naruto Next Generations. Tier: At least 6-C, Varies with Absorbed Techniques | At least 6-C Key: Base | Evolved Form Name: Urashiki Ōtsutsuki Origin: Naruto Gender: Male Age: Unknown...
Sarada Uchiha
Sarada Uchiha (うちはサラダ, Uchiha Sarada) is a kunoichi from Konohagakure's Uchiha clan and a member of Team Konohamaru, daughter of Sasuke Uchiha who was raised by her mother, Sakura Haruno. Initially, having grown up without her father around, Sarada was curious about Sasuke questioning her own...
I might be beating a dead horse here as I mentioned this before, but I believe that until a revision is made for them to be fitting for genius intelligence, it should be removed from their profiles. Neither characters are ranked genius nor have any feats shown on their profiles to warrant them having it
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Hmm. I think that it seems more like "Gifted, possibly Genius" in terms of general not combat-related intelligence for each of them.Kazuma Kiryu
Kazuma Kiryu (桐生 一馬, Kiryū Kazuma) is the former main protagonist of the Yakuza series from the first Yakuza up until Yakuza 6. His legendary ascent through the ranks of the Tojo Clan earned him the nickname "The Dragon of Dojima" (堂島の龍, Dōjima no Ryū). He was the fourth chairman of the Tojo...
Takayuki Yagami
Takayuki Yagami (八神 隆之, Yagami Takayuki) is the main playable protagonist of Judgment and its sequel, Lost Judgement. Yagami was a lawyer until the guilt of his recently acquitted client murdering his girlfriend causes him to resign from his job at Genda Law Office and became a private...
Both are pretty self evident for Genius Intelligence.
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Brian Moser’s intelligence is pretty self evident for Genius intellect. He was able to cover his true identity from Dexter (who’s also already listed as Genius) and Doakes, with Dexter frequently praising the works carried out by The Ice Truck Killer (Brian), via either for his methods of murder or his way of deceiving and misleading law enforcement, which indicates that Brian has intellect at least comparable to that of Dexter, and Dexter himself even said he exceeded his own abilities and is an artist with incredible technique. Plus as add-on feats, in his fake identity as Rudy Cooper, who is a professional doctor, he seemed to perform very well, meaning he must have experience and/or prior knowledge to handle it given nobody suspected he wasn’t formally trained. Also the fact that he’s a skilled surgical specialist in prosthetic medicine without having studied the courses needed to, which would generally require a masters in biology, kinesiology and biomedical engineering, meaning he also has a high capacity to process all the information and do it well.
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There is nine separate universes with their own temporal axis with time flowing differently in each one.
A character made a device that instead of connecting them to synchronizing their time, it set all the universes to follow Earth's(universe) time.
The important part is that currently all the universes except Earth(universe) have two temporal axis, the original and Earth's.
What do you get for that ?
A character made a device that instead of connecting them to synchronizing their time, it set all the universes to follow Earth's(universe) time.
The important part is that currently all the universes except Earth(universe) have two temporal axis, the original and Earth's.
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