Self-evident intelligence revisions thread

[Antvasima]

I think that it seems reasonable.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Just one question. Is this thread appropriate to evaluate so things (understanding many of them requires knowledge of the verse). Or should I do a content revision that includes the inherently controversial Genius and Extraordinary Genius ratings?

Same opinion as Ant. This seems fine to me, the ratings aren't that major like Extraordinary Genius and co., and the explanation seems sufficient enough to me. Although, wouldnt it be better to add the scans as well?

 

[CodeCCLL]

Although, wouldnt it be better to add the scans as well?

Since most of these are general expressions, I did not need scan them for now.

While I'm doing the other part involving Yuuki, Hinata, Shizue, and maybe Reynald, I will take other important scans.

 

[ShionAH]

I wanted to ask.

"Can learn and master any weapon after picking it up, including weapons like the Unmaykr, pure Maykr technology with Maykr technology being described as transcendent"

Maykrs are rated as Supergeniuses so picking up and mastering their "transcendent technology" instantly seems pretty impressive. Would it only be Genius or something more?

 

[Antvasima]

Why are Maykrs rated as supergeniuses, and what kind of weaponry was mastered?

 

[ShionAH]

Why are Maykrs rated as supergeniuses

You can look at Khan and Samur for more information on why their technology is crazy

and what kind of weaponry was mastered?

Most of their arsenal and Unmaykr which is I think supposed to the top of their technology, and Doom Guy just masters it instantly

 

[Antvasima]

Can the Maykr warp reality in virtually any way they want with their inventions combined with an infinite scale of power for them? If not, or if they do not have not demonstrated literally infinite mental processing speed, they only qualify for extraordinary genius statistics.

I do not know if we can quantify Doom Guy being able to use their technology (presumable their different types of guns), as it may have been simple to operate, combined with game mechanics.

 

[ShionAH]

I do not know if we can quantify Doom Guy being able to use their technology (presumable their different types of guns), as it may have been simple to operate, combined with game mechanics.

Hmm I see, so I assume it is not EG/SG?

 

[McFriesGuy075]

Attempting to give Pepsiman a proper intelligence rating, namely an At most Gifted rating. I'll try to keep it short.

Very attentive of his surroundings, dodging out of sight vehicles and obstacles by hearing alone, even with his vision obstructed. Skilled enough to not only stay on rolling barrels, but control their movement as well. Rode a skateboard downhill while evading vehicles after getting on one for seemingly the first time. While good at delivering Pepsi to those in need and parkouring through dire situations, he has been shown to miscalculate a jump and become oblivious to his surroundings when distracted sometimes.

 

[Antvasima]

Hmm I see, so I assume it is not EG/SG?

Well, it is unquantifiable without further information at least, and the Maykr should probably be downgraded to Extraordinary Genius intelligence levels.

 

[Antvasima]

Attempting to give Pepsiman a proper intelligence rating, namely an At most Gifted rating. I'll try to keep it short.

Very attentive of his surroundings, dodging out of sight vehicles and obstacles by hearing alone, even with his vision obstructed. Skilled enough to not only stay on rolling barrels, but control their movement as well. Rode a skateboard downhill while evading vehicles after getting on one for seemingly the first time. While good at delivering Pepsi to those in need and parkouring through dire situations, he has been shown to miscalculate a jump and become oblivious to his surroundings when distracted sometimes.

That seems unquantifiable in terms of general intelligence, but likely Genius in terms of physical coordination ability.

 

[McFriesGuy075]

That seems unquantifiable in terms of general intelligence, but likely Genius in terms of physical coordination ability.

Genius Pepsiman sounds... uncanny. But just so we're clear, you're proposing Unknown generally, Genius physical coordination?

There's at least one more but it probably falls in the same boat as the skateboard one. He maneuvered around moving obstacles and multiple gates in his path while on a hovering platform (somewhat futuristic?) at high speed, which also seems to be his first time doing so.

 

[SamanPatou]

Although IQ ratings are kinda bullshit, would a character with "Ultimate" IQ be Genius by default? This comes from an info sheet of a game.

 

[ShionAH]

Although IQ ratings are kinda bullshit, would a character with "Ultimate" IQ be Genius by default? This comes from an info sheet of a game.

No, it would be a supporting feat I think

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

Although IQ ratings are kinda bullshit, would a character with "Ultimate" IQ be Genius by default? This comes from an info sheet of a game.

IQ ratings are BS for two reasons. 1, its name is misleading because a person can be smart but bad at IQ tests or can be unskilled in the specific types of skills IQ is judged based on. 2, fiction introduces impossible ratings that disregard how IQ is actually judged, so the difference between 300 IQ and a morbillion IQ is meaningless without more context.

With that established, the word "ultimate" in this sense means "the best achievable or imaginable of its kind," the character's IQ being described that way by the game itself signifies the IQ is at least comparable to the best realistic IQ. I'm not exactly sure what the real maximum is, but the character is probably implied to have an IQ of 300. That's a rare and impressive status even though IQ scaling has its flaws, so I consider it evidence for a Gifted rank.

Do others following this thread agree with my assessment?

 

[Yeolban]

I am trying to give Okhwang an actual intelligence rating as I am currently reworking his profile in a sandbox- Would this qualify for Genius or Extraordinary Genius?
(You'll likely see me in this thread more often, as most GOH characters on vsbw lack intelligence ratings.)

Since the beginning, he was capable of orchestrating the Dragons' betrayal against Ogre and was a key figure in creating the first form of the Borrowed Power System. He founded the NOX organization in order to mediate Gods, Humans and Demons, and in the human realm, one of its occupations was to collect bioenergy from every creature on Earth in order to prolong the Gods' life and keep their youthful appearance. The King would be responsible for The Great Flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, The Tower of Babel, The Black Plague, Smallpox, the two World Wars among many others for this purpose.

However, Okhwang was actually against Tathagata along with the gods and wanted change, as seen when he faked Jecheondaeseong's death and when he sent Beelzebub back to the Heavenly Realm under the pretext of being loyal to Tathagata, but the latter questioned his true motives.

Similarly, continuously feeding the Gods with bioenergy weakened them over eons, and leading Mori Jin to the Heavenly Realm by using Park Ilpyo as bait ravaged the Heavenly Realms. Offering bioenergy to the Gods was his way to keep them from exterminating humanity.

Created the Ark:NOA, a floating fortress made with various purposes in mind, such resetting humanity in order to keep it in line when it starts wriggling around, forcefully absorbing energy or destroying monsters during the First Heavenly War and it's generally considered Okhwang's home/ship, its engine being powered up with the heart of tens of thousands of monsters.

He did several experiments and developed numerous technologies, namely Commissioner R (Tam Original), Energy Stones (capable of sealing, as well as absorbing and storing bioenergy), cloning technology (Dante) and Tam (capable of power absorption, among other abilities) in hopes of gaining immortality.

In combat, he is extremely proficient in his use of manipulation of fundamental forces, and not only that, but also excels in swordsmanship and martial arts. He is capable of copying Mori Hui's skills, making incredible use of them and even making him fall for his bluffs.

 

[Antvasima]

IQ ratings are BS for two reasons. 1, its name is misleading because a person can be smart but bad at IQ tests or can be unskilled in the specific types of skills IQ is judged based on. 2, fiction introduces impossible ratings that disregard how IQ is actually judged, so the difference between 300 IQ and a morbillion IQ is meaningless without more context.

With that established, the word "ultimate" in this sense means "the best achievable or imaginable of its kind," the character's IQ being described that way by the game itself signifies the IQ is at least comparable to the best realistic IQ. I'm not exactly sure what the real maximum is, but the character is probably implied to have an IQ of 300. That's a rare and impressive status even though IQ scaling has its flaws, so I consider it evidence for a Gifted rank.

Do others following this thread agree with my assessment?

We go by feats not unfounded statements, yes. Also, technically I think that the smartest human on Earth (in a specific area) is always supposed to have an IQ of 200, with everybody else scaled downwards in relation to that, regardless if humanity as a species is growing more or less intelligent, but I may remember incorrectly.

 

[Antvasima]

I am trying to give Okhwang an actual intelligence rating as I am currently reworking his profile in a sandbox- Would this qualify for Genius or Extraordinary Genius?
(You'll likely see me in this thread more often, as most GOH characters on vsbw lack intelligence ratings.)

It seems to warrant an Extraordinary Genius rating.

 

[Yeolban]

It seems to warrant an Extraordinary Genius rating.

Thank you!

 

[Antvasima]

No problem.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

I’d like to ask, if a person who has already demonstrated Genius intelligence, albeit mostly in one field (Technology, Cybersecurity/hacking expertise and being able to predict enemy attack patterns with mental calculations). If they have an ability stated to boost their intelligence, and gives them the ability to process and understand information at the speeds of a supercomputer. Also using said ability to do things like being able to comb through her entire life’s memories in seconds to find the optimal methods to overcome an opponent or decipher their weaknesses. As well as being stated to have much better processing power and is smarter than a guy with a genetically enhanced brain (who is considered a genius in universe)

Would this qualify for a possibly extraordinary genius with that ability, just a flat out extraordinary or simply a “higher” rating?

 

[Yeolban]

And I'm already back again with another character's intelligence rating, and this time it's Tathagata, the next GOH profile I'm revising. Would this qualify for Extraordinary Genius?

Tathagata was a key figure in creating the first form of Borrowed Power, and he left himself get killed by Jecheondaeseong in order to resurrect as the Supreme God. While he went to the fullest extent to make himself fit into Gaia's Prophecy, he did not blindly trust it and prepared a way to revive himself in case the prophecy was bogus by separating his Flesh from himself, which would be, billions of years later, used to stick to every human, fan the flames of their desires to an extreme degree and make them wish to revive Tathagata.

He possesses the truth of the Universe and is capable of creating weapons like the Fairy Colony that can infinitely multiply and evolve and Light that can absorb the light from stars and use it for creating black holes and blasting immensely powerful attacks that can melt anything in its way, as well as massively amplifying his speed.

 

[Antvasima]

I’d like to ask, if a person who has already demonstrated Genius intelligence, albeit mostly in one field (Technology, Cybersecurity/hacking expertise and being able to predict enemy attack patterns with mental calculations). If they have an ability stated to boost their intelligence, and gives them the ability to process and understand information at the speeds of a supercomputer. Also using said ability to do things like being able to comb through her entire life’s memories in seconds to find the optimal methods to overcome an opponent or decipher their weaknesses. As well as being stated to have much better processing power and is smarter than a guy with a genetically enhanced brain (who is considered a genius in universe)

Would this qualify for a possibly extraordinary genius with that ability, just a flat out extraordinary or simply a “higher” rating?

Yes, that seems like Extraordinary Genius intelligence.

 

[Antvasima]

And I'm already back again with another character's intelligence rating, and this time it's Tathagata, the next GOH profile I'm revising. Would this qualify for Extraordinary Genius?

Yes, that seems to qualify.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

I'm back again, this time the question is about Taiyo Asano. I've been wondering if his rating should stay the same or if it should be bumped up to Gifted fully instead of only "in combat"

Spoiler: Taiyo's intelligence

Above Average normally, Gifted in Combat (Despite being viewed as quite average academically, he has shown a high level of skill and intelligence as a spy. He has managed to figure out how to perform an imitation of the stepping on flowers technique in only 10 days of following Sui, and on the last day, he managed to follow him for a whole day, which no one else was capable of before him.[60] This is despite the fact that Taiyo was incapable of perceiving the attacks and was weaker than Sui, making the latter acknowledge why Taiyo was allowed into the Yozakura family. Managed to outsmart and completely out-skill Kurogao in hand-to-hand combat despite his decades of experience in the spy field.[12] Despite Kurogao having a specialty in working with information to copy and or use the attacks of others, he never showcased Stepping on Flowers while Taiyo did. Was able to crack the password of the Yozakura family bathroom despite it having multiple number pads and resetting every minute, and would've had to do so consistently as he lives in the house. While it was pushing him to his physical limit, he was also able to survive the Yozakura family's training for a month. Which Futaba states despite the immense talent Yozakuras have compared to normal people took her 3 years to ease into. Figured out how to disable a torpedo when it was a few seconds from impact. Passed the Bronze rank written exam where a single wrong answer will fail you the test, with all the questions being relevant to spy work and combat scenarios as well as mathematics and sciences.[38] Along with passing the bronze rank exam as a whole, which has a less than 1% pass rate. When instructed to fire Yae North East, 49 degrees at 70% power he does so instantly.[61] Generally goes on missions by himself from hours to days at a time[62][63], with activities such as digging up information on large scale organizations like Tanpopo or taking down mafias along with other forms of organized crime. He also standardly fights against several armed opponents with relative strength to him and often wins, albeit with effort[64][65]. Came up with the plan to use the Sakura roots formation to sneak past Kawashita and reach the former Yozakura's head corpse on the fly. Kawashita, the leader of a secret organization who is 108 years old, complements Taiyo's intelligence throughout their fight. Was capable of outsmarting Shinzo in a fight even though he is a gold rank spy and beat his challenge through strategizing with other examinees via hand signals and accurately deducing the weakness of his Blooming based on what he already knew on Shinzo's personality, which Shion credits him for.[51] Figured out Futaba's puzzle by using basic Aiki manipulation despite not being well trained in the martial art after seeing it once. When he realized the approach the challenge from a different angle.[66] Which several spies and martial artists, even those trained in Aiki, couldn't figure out. Passed the Silver rank exam, which the other Yozakura believed no one else that year would pass. Including Shion who is one of the most analytical among the Yozakuras. Smart enough to take advantage of the arrival of the Sakuranbos weakening the ground with their landing by tunneling under them to reach Momo on the fly, which Kyoichiro didn't predict him doing. Can fight in tandem with Kengo, who is an infiltration and information-based spy who has been training since he was 4 years old and has been trained by not only the world renowned Yozakura family but the Gold-Rank Spy Hulang, who has hundreds of successful students she personally trained. Helped strategize on how to retrieve their siblings, despite Shinzo and Futaba both being combat specialists and the stronger members of the family outside of Kyoichiro. He has a tendency to unintentionally deploy nasty traps and tricks and is cruel enough to gouge his opponent's vulnerable area[10])

 

[CodeCCLL]

I'm back again, this time the question is about Taiyo Asano. I've been wondering if his rating should stay the same or if it should be bumped up to Gifted fully instead of only "in combat"

The fact that he is not very bright academically does not change the fact that he is obviously "gifted" in all other factors that determine intelligence. So yes overall he should be generally gifted.

 

[Antvasima]

That seems fine to me as well.

 

[Testarossa002]

Is this enough for something higher than EG or would EG be enough?

Able to easily discern the mechanics of an ability after seeing it once in a very short timeframe and develop strategies to counter such abilities in the fly[179][180]. Learnt an entire new power system on the spot and developed it to a level beyond seasoned users of said power system[181]. After unlocking the 7th form of chakra, his level of understanding increased to the point of understanding fundamental principles of the universe like space in mere moments[182]. Has an understanding of all things in the universe[183]. Outperformed and exceeded the calculations of God who had the mind of a supercomputer with the computing speed of 8 teraflops[184][185].

 

[Antvasima]

I think that it can probably be classified as reaching Supergenius.

 

[Voidnether]

I don't know if this has been discussed here before, but would this grant Extraordinary Genius rating on Dottore's profile?

Intelligence: Extraordinary Genius. Was able to split himself into different segments over the years. Modified the Akasha System, which was created by the god of wisdom[1] and is capable of granting its user any sort of knowledge they desire to know or have. Turned his assistant into a robot. Implied to be the one that removed scaramouches seal that was holding back his godly powers.

Yeah, I don't know why spoiler tags didn't work

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, that is sufficient to qualify.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Question: Can this thread be used to upgrade the Intelligence of characters whose feats are explicit enough to warrant an upgrade?

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

Question: Can this thread be used to upgrade the Intelligence of characters whose feats are explicit enough to warrant an upgrade?

Yeah, basically. This thread is for revising intelligence sections without a CRT given that it's rather self-explanatory

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Gogeta_(Dragon_Ball_Super)?so=search

Speaking of which, Gogeta should get EG in combat as he has the combined skill and intelligence of post-TOP Goku and Vegeta

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Alright, there was a CRT on that but it doesn't have any attention, so i will just try my luck here

Anyway: My proposal is that Stanley Pines should be rated as having Gifted, possibly Genius Intelligence

The feats are very explicit in my opinion:

Spoiler: Feats

• Easily tricked dozens of people across the entire United States when he was an early adult. Even after becaming old, he still was manipulative enough to trick almost every single tourist that came to the Mystery Shack
• Stanley's manipulation skills are so notable that his brother thinks that not even Bill Cipher would be able to deceive him.
• Outsmarted the USA Government during the course of more than 30 years in order to build a Interdimensional Portal to bring his brother back, later outsmarting them again and getting at time to see his brother coming out of The Portal.
• Commited hundreds, if not thousands, of crimes during all of his life and got arrested by only a few of them.
• Successfully faked his own death and got multiple fake identities during his life as a scam artist and only got caught years later.
• Taught a bear how to drive.
• Despite always being treated as the dumbest student of his class, Stanley presumably learned physics in order to activate The Portal again and possibly learned 5th-Dimensional Calculus, Hyper-Advanced Engineering and Applied Quantum Phase Theory to understand how it fully worked.

The biggest part of the Gifted rating comes from his life as a con man and a criminal. The genius rating comes from him learning and understanding irrealistic science stuff during the course of 30 years, despite having literal zero knowledge about the subject before that

 

[Antvasima]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Gogeta_(Dragon_Ball_Super)?so=search

Speaking of which, Gogeta should get EG in combat as he has the combined skill and intelligence of post-TOP Goku and Vegeta

That seems fine to me.

 

[Antvasima]

Alright, there was a CRT on that but it doesn't have any attention, so i will just try my luck here

Anyway: My proposal is that Stanley Pines should be rated as having Gifted, possibly Genius Intelligence

The feats are very explicit in my opinion:

Spoiler: Feats

• Easily tricked dozens of people across the entire United States when he was an early adult. Even after becaming old, he still was manipulative enough to trick almost every single tourist that came to the Mystery Shack
• Stanley's manipulation skills are so notable that his brother thinks that not even Bill Cipher would be able to deceive him.
• Outsmarted the USA Government during the course of more than 30 years in order to build a Interdimensional Portal to bring his brother back, later outsmarting them again and getting at time to see his brother coming out of The Portal.
• Commited hundreds, if not thousands, of crimes during all of his life and got arrested by only a few of them.
• Successfully faked his own death and got multiple fake identities during his life as a scam artist and only got caught years later.
• Taught a bear how to drive.
• Despite always being treated as the dumbest student of his class, Stanley presumably learned physics in order to activate The Portal again and possibly learned 5th-Dimensional Calculus, Hyper-Advanced Engineering and Applied Quantum Phase Theory to understand how it fully worked.

The biggest part of the Gifted rating comes from his life as a con man and a criminal. The genius rating comes from him learning and understanding irrealistic science stuff during the course of 30 years, despite having literal zero knowledge about the subject before that

I think that "At least Genius" seems appropriate.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Ok, so... I really don't want to turn this on a Gravity Falls Intelligence Revision thread but there are two other characters whose feats, i think, are explicit enough: Dipper and Gideon

• Gideon already outsmarted Stanley twice (Here and Here, with him being his "mortal enemy") and already outsmarted Dipper (Who has Gifted Intelligence, as noted by his profile) in the season 1 finale.
• Beyond that, he manipulated the entire town of Gravity Falls during the entirety of Season 1 into thinking he was a real psychic, had good intentions and that Stanley (Who, as noted by his profile, is extremely proficient at tricking and manipulating people) was a fraud

In relation to Dipper:

• He should be comparable in Intelligence to Gideon given he already foled his schemes (In "Little Dipper") and was considered by him as a threat to his plan of stealing the Mystery Shack.
• Another interesting thing to add is that Stanford Pines (A Supergenius) saw potential on Dipper, considering him as even a possible sucessor to the former

As such, i think both should have Genius Intelligence

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Ok, so... I really don't want to turn this on a Gravity Falls Intelligence Revision thread but there are two other characters whose feats, i think, are explicit enough: Dipper and Gideon

• Gideon already outsmarted Stanley twice (Here and Here, with him being his "mortal enemy") and already outsmarted Dipper (Who has Gifted Intelligence, as noted by his profile) in the season 1 finale.
• Beyond that, he manipulated the entire town of Gravity Falls during the entirety of Season 1 into thinking he was a real psychic, had good intentions and that Stanley (Who, as noted by his profile, is extremely proficient at tricking and manipulating people) was a fraud

In relation to Dipper:

• He should be comparable in Intelligence to Gideon given he already foled his schemes (In "Little Dipper") and was considered by him as a threat to his plan of stealing the Mystery Shack.
• Another interesting thing to add is that Stanford Pines (A Supergenius) saw potential on Dipper, considering him as even a possible sucessor to the former

As such, i think both should have Genius Intelligence

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