Scizor vs Ranga (Light Novel) (7-A tournament)

[Spinoirr]

Scizor vs Ranga (Light Novel) (speed is = and the same rules as in this Thread and both can't use anything above 7-A)

Scizor: 7

Ranga (Light Novel): 3

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[Ionliosite]

Death Storm is like only twice of Ranga's AP, so I don't think he can one-shot with that.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Idk in the wild, but competitively, Scizor likes to boost to hell and back with Swords Dance and then one shot with priority Technician boosted Bullet Punches.

 

[Phoenks]

What is the AP gap at start?

Ranga is 700~ megatons. Very far into 7-A.

 

[Stupits]

So Scizor’s Wincon is possibly oneshotting Ranga while Ranga’s wincon is?

 

[Phoenks]

Lightning attacks that should do massive damage to Scizor.
2x AP advantage at start. Which is good considering he has the range advantage as well.
Matter Manip Shockwaves with his voice (Dont think this is potent matter manip tho)
Coercion to sleep or fear induce.

 

[Stupits]

Seems like Ranga has a slight edge. Im leaning towards Ranga because if Scizor doesnt oneshot Ranga takes this. I wont vote yet though

 

[Stupits]

@fandom_00potato you suggested scizor so what are your thoughts?

 

[00potato]

Ok so since the Charizard feat is from Mystery dungeon we have to go off of Scizor starts off with and AP massively above
326 Megatons
But he can more then double it with one or more swords dances/Metal Claws so Scizor is honestly decently stronger after a swords dance., even considering death storm.
Assuming that this Scizor has Technician, then he will probably go for Bullet Punch, which is far faster then his other moves. He can amp his defenses and evasion if it becomes a battle of attrition. Scizor probably has this honestly.

 

[00potato]

Two tourneys started recently and the first round to both has Slime Characters. Weird coincidence.

 

[Soupywolf5]

Pretty sure 7-A Pokémon are actually 790.31 Megatons

 

[00potato]

Was that the Mystery Dungeon feat? Different canon buddy

 

[00potato]

Anyway considering that the 326 feat is a non damaging move saying he scales to double that isn’t a stretch.

 

[Soupywolf5]

Was that the Mystery Dungeon feat? Different canon buddy

No? It’s from Charizard melting mountains

 

[00potato]

Did you even read the quote. It is attributed to a character from Mystery Dungeon.

 

[Soupywolf5]

So? We still use Mystery Dungeon for feats and abilities

 

[Phoenks]

No. Scizor does not scale to that.

 

[Phoenks]

Even with a slight edge in AP I don't see how Scizor is going to get passed dark lightning considering it should do like 2x more damage against him (Since Scizor is weak to electric based attacks), and dark lightning can be AoE iirc. It's also long-ranged like many of Ranga's attacks and can be shot from directly above Scizor.

Another thing Ranga has is barriers, which make the slight AP advantage quite useless as well.

And of course, Coercion would be an easy win? Right?

 

[Daddybrawl]

Wait a second, where’re you getting that 326 Megatons from? As far as I can tell, Scizor’s AP leads all the way back to Dugtrio for a Magnitude 8 Earthquake, which is only 15.0802413958 Megatons.

 

[Phoenks]

Defog: OP in debating and competitive (Pokemon)

vsbattles.fandom.com

Pretty sure Scizor and like a LOT of other pokemon scale to this

 

[Daddybrawl]

Yeah, I’ve seen that calc around, but it’s nowhere to be found anywhere on Scizors profile. Or the profiles he scales to.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Since Scizor is weak to electric based attacks

Scyther is weak to electric based attacks, not Scizor

 

[Bobsican]

We have planned a CRT over Defog, but the Charizard feat is still legit per how we take all the games as usable for lore and that sort of stuff.
Anyways, Scizor can also amp its speed with Agility, Iron Defense also helps to amp its physical durability, and Double Team can be useful to overwhelm with numbers, Laser Focus also means that Scizor is prone to landing a critical hit (Which in Pokémon terms translates to an attack 50% stronger).

Mystery Dungeon also shows that a Pokémon can have both of its natural abilities (Bar Hidden ability) at once, so Scizor has Technician AND Swarm here, the latter being relevant as it boosts its Bug type moves when it's low on health.

 

[Daddybrawl]

We also have a planned CRT against the Charizard feat, as PMD‘s Been decided as non-canon (Or, at the very least, a non-applicable Canonicity), and that’s from a explicitly strong PMD Charizard. That also kind of messes with that ‘More than one Ability’ Line.

 

[00potato]

No it really isn’t. Mystery dungeon is a very different setting from the main line setting and it makes little sense that they would scale.

You even mentioned some of the differences. It doesn’t really line up.

Otherwise Bob is right.

 

[Bobsican]

Okay then, but that hasn't been applied yet, so we abide by the current standards anyways.

 

[Stupits]

basically the only question is whether or not scizor can one shot. So can he one shot? because if not Ranga wins

 

[Bobsican]

7-A is a quite small tier, even if Ragna was baseline, Scizor would only start with a slightly above x2 AP advantage, so likely no.
However, if Scizor can get enought time to use Swords Dance multiple times, yes.

 

[Stupits]

7-A is a quite small tier, even if Ragna was baseline, Scizor would only start with a slightly above x2 AP advantage, so likely no.

Not to mention this is High 7A which is even smaller. ok im voting Ranga unless further evidence probes that scizor has a chance

 

[Daddybrawl]

Just normal 7-A, not high 7-A, lol. High 7-As a different thread.

 

[00potato]

I mean after one Swords dance they are even, if anything that gives Scizor an AP advantage considering how close they are. (Far less then two times.)

 

[Stupits]

Just normal 7-A, not high 7-A, lol. High 7-As a different thread.

oops

 

[00potato]

It can get kinda confusing since there is both a 7-A tourney, and a high 7-A tourney when both characters would work for both ones. I am even debating in both.

 

[Phoenks]

Yeah at most the difference in AP is going to be 1.1x even if Scizor doubles their AP. Which is basically nothing. And Scizor has it bad considering most of their in-character attacks are standard melee range.

AoE lightning, Sound Waves, Multi-Layered Barriers, and Coercion (Which is sleep, fear, or confusion inducement. And iirc all of those are especially effective on pokemon right?) with much better range seem a lot more useful here.

Are stat amps above 7-A allowed here? If not the AP gap will never go above 1.5x. Far from one-shotting

 

[00potato]

The range doesn’t matter considering how Scizor has evasion and defense amps. Along with priority moves like quick attack to close the distance or strike before Ragu can attack him. He won’t land more then one or two attacks on him before he closes the distance.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Sound waves fall under normal type, which Scizor resists.

 

[00potato]

Also how is it gonna be 1x1? Scizor scales massively above the Defog feat is the difference is gonna be massively above that.

 

[Phoenks]

Also how is it gonna be 1x1? Scizor scales massively above the Defog feat is the difference is gonna be massively above that.

I mean even so, Ranga is 700~ megatons. Even assuming Scizor is 2x stronger than that feat, and then doubles, the gap will still be less than 2x.
And if stat amps above 7-A aren't allowed, it won't even be 1.5x.

Ranga is also not going to be bad in close quarters.

 

[00potato]

If Ragdo has his Death Storm, then Scizor can amp to High 7-A.

Scizor is still far better in close quarters do to amps and priority+technician.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

The problem with cqc against Scizor is that it’s incredibly defensive. According to the Pokedex, normal attacks don’t really phase it. There’s gonna need to be some elemental element backing it up to put the hurt on it, especially if it uses Iron Defense.