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Sayaka Miki vs Yujiro Hanma
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I'll retract the vote, but I'm not picking Yujiro. I'm gonna wait for actual PMMM experts on this.
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basicallyKaltias said:
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Someone should invite some that are interested in VS debates.
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Do magical girls need to breath?
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Apparently not
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Hardly matters though
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Ah, I see. My mistaken then.
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You're good
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Fair enough. I vote Yujiro, then.
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I'm pretty sure Magical girl resists paralyzation on daily basis. Also, how is hitting pressure point would paralyze someone who is basically a walking Zombie whose body was controlled by a gem?
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That's a good point, though how much can they normally resist that? Is there any particular calc or scaling for that?
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All the magical girls have resistance to status effect inducement which includes stuffs like Poison, Stun, Confusion (Which messes up your controller's inputs), Bind (Which is basically like Silence in Final Fantasy, but it also stops movement, and negates your ability to heal damage) and Slow.
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My question is...does Yujiro's own status inducement exceed that of which PMMMM characters withstand? This is kinda tricky, ngl.
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About the breathing thing, Sayaka doesn't need to, its just an involuntary action like all people. If she didn't breath she would be fine.
The range gap is being glossed over, espically with her glyph creation.
His information analysis isn't going to detect the soul gem as a weakness, that's not how it works. His analysis is purely structural not magical or something like Samus Ara's. Even if it was spirtual, he would avoid the gem given its more durable than her normal body. Paralysis inducement would fall under her resistance to status effects and there is no way he is gonna bypass her regen with sheer speed / ap alone in this match, unless we assume her regen got nerfed here, it usually is fast enough that she can recover the next moment.
The range gap is being glossed over, espically with her glyph creation.
His information analysis isn't going to detect the soul gem as a weakness, that's not how it works. His analysis is purely structural not magical or something like Samus Ara's. Even if it was spirtual, he would avoid the gem given its more durable than her normal body. Paralysis inducement would fall under her resistance to status effects and there is no way he is gonna bypass her regen with sheer speed / ap alone in this match, unless we assume her regen got nerfed here, it usually is fast enough that she can recover the next moment.
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His only advantage I can see is being more skilled fighter....something that won't last long until Sayaka one shoots him.
I'm leaning towards stomp.
I'm leaning towards stomp.
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Once again, SomebodyData coming through with the explanations.
I stand corrected. Apparently, there is no proof that Yujiro's analysis can apply for stuff with magical properties.
I stand corrected. Apparently, there is no proof that Yujiro's analysis can apply for stuff with magical properties.
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>Praised SD
>Even though I was the one who brought up status effect resistance first.
>Even though I was the one who brought up status effect resistance first.
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No, it's okay. SomebodyData just has the better rep for discussions like this. No offense, really.Beast Zero Gudako said:
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The paralysis is through pressure points, which are physical attacks on the nervous system, not induced effects. Though the rest makes sense and I don't have any counter arguments.
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Also, I retract my vote AGAIN.....and wait for the counter argument
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Is the soul gem not tangible?
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That might work, I remember Sayaka getting knocked out by Homura but I don't remember what happens afterwards.
Though I do remember Sayaka coming back from an attack that should have hosptialized her for 3 months.
Though... this is assuming that hitting the nervous system would be affected on an undead.
The soul gem is tangible.
Though I do remember Sayaka coming back from an attack that should have hosptialized her for 3 months.
Though... this is assuming that hitting the nervous system would be affected on an undead.
The soul gem is tangible.
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It doesn't seem like she's immune to pain, just able to nullify it. Maybe he can use Benda/Whip Strike repeatedly to cause so much pain that she passes out and is incapacitated. For reference Whip Strike caused such an unimaginable pain that Baki Hanma wished that he'd rather be dead and he almost fell unconscious. For context Baki specifically trains to nullify and numb pain, as well as being able to increase how much pain he feels to the point that his imaginary shadow boxing matches cause him actual physical damage. So to say Baki has self Pain Manipulation is an understatement. And Yujiro bypassed that with a single slap, then did another one for kicks and giggles. Her page also states that she loses reaction time when nullifying pain, which makes Yujiro's .5 seconds unconscious even more potent an ability.
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Wasn't Homura knocking Sayaka out considered PIS? Homura is physically Low 7-C after all.
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Yes. But Sayaka in particular can completely shuts down her sense of pain.
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Then Yujiro can use Vacuum Palm breath on her ear and blow her organs out (Including her soul gem)
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Ignores durability as it's oxygen and air pressure manipulation
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Would she go for her soul gem?
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Blowing her organs won't kill her as she can easily regen from that.
And no, her soul gem isn't part of her body. And won't be affected by measly oxygen manip.
Sayaka one shot and call it a day.
And no, her soul gem isn't part of her body. And won't be affected by measly oxygen manip.
Sayaka one shot and call it a day.
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@Nico your first statement isn't even implied in the series. They can feel pain like everyone when they're not using the nullification.
The pain nullification comes from them just shutting down their sense of it. It's like trying to inflict pain on a rock.
@Anttron ? Just because its oxygen manipulation doesn't make it dura neg. Also how does this automatically destroy the soul gem? Annnnnd how would he even get that close?
The pain nullification comes from them just shutting down their sense of it. It's like trying to inflict pain on a rock.
@Anttron ? Just because its oxygen manipulation doesn't make it dura neg. Also how does this automatically destroy the soul gem? Annnnnd how would he even get that close?
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Didn't destroy it, knocked it out with the organs. And .5 seconds unconscious allows him to attack within the timeframe that someone sends the brain signal to do something like a reaction or counter attack. It is spammable. Void breath doesn't negate durability, it ignores it because it travels through the ear canal.
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Also didn't say that it would kill, @ BZG
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Her organs aren't destroyed just removed
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