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Is this Sans intimidating or actually scaring Flowey?
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Then I agree.
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Disagree with the CRT (you can't soul hax somebody without a soul), however...
The imgur link used to justify Flowey not having a soul is just him saying that he's "empty inside", which is meaningless
The imgur link used to justify Flowey not having a soul is just him saying that he's "empty inside", which is meaningless
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I'm not arguing for or against it, I'm only pointing out that it's a poor justification
It's more logical to assume that the projectiles don't just attack the soul than that Sans can soul hax soulless beings, especially since we literally see Toriel hit Flowey at the beginning of the game
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Class 25 Lifting Strength Telekinesis sure would do a number on a flower, along with generally being faster and spamming attacks
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Said Flower has 8-C durability, nothing Sans could do would even scratch Flowey
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Also about this,
Changing that to ENTRY NUMBER 7 and (mostly) ENTRY NUMBER 8 would probably be better, yeah
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I would more agree with Sans being possibly 8-C than him having Resistance Negation. Soulhaxing soulless beings gives nothing. It only means his soulhax works in a way where it would affect soulless people as well. He still wouldn't bypass people with actual soulhax resistance.
This whole thing is based on implications and combination of two seperate things, I see it more of an inconsistency
This whole thing is based on implications and combination of two seperate things, I see it more of an inconsistency
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That would contradict his Check stats tho
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I just said it as an example. I think this is just inconsistency caused by combining two seperate things, flowey soulles claim and flowey dies to Sans implication to hype up Sans. We don't know how the actual interaction between the two went and there is nothing else to go by to give Sans can hax soulless stuff thing
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I think it's implied that Flowey basically did a Genocide Route and lost to Sans enough times to reset, which would put Flowey at 8-C, but don't take my word for it
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Agreed
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Disagree FRA lol
Sans just beat flowy’s ass. Also affecting soulless beings with soul attacks is just a dumb inconsistency. Being soulless is also not a resistance so there is no resistance being negated here and there is no such thing as immunity negation given how the site treats unconventional immunity
Sans just beat flowy’s ass. Also affecting soulless beings with soul attacks is just a dumb inconsistency. Being soulless is also not a resistance so there is no resistance being negated here and there is no such thing as immunity negation given how the site treats unconventional immunity
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I don't see where in OP scans it is implied Flowey can never get past Sans, all he says is he died to him a bunch of times.
Flowey's own profile says he could kill everyone in underground, which should logically include Sans.
Flowey also says he could never get past Asgore, implying he fought Asgore but could never beat him, he needs to get past Sans in order to fight Asgore as Sans will block Flowey.
Flowey's statements contradict themselves
Flowey's own profile says he could kill everyone in underground, which should logically include Sans.
Flowey also says he could never get past Asgore, implying he fought Asgore but could never beat him, he needs to get past Sans in order to fight Asgore as Sans will block Flowey.
Flowey's statements contradict themselves
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Repeating the fact that Sans needs an upgrade isn’t an argument. There are still other problems with what you’re proposing.
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Are you aware that Flowey can simply just go straight to Asgore since he can walk underground?
Also, he said that he tried more than hundreds way (300+) to make Asgore give him souls, physical fight might be the case too.
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Literally... nothing..?
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I mean still think about it if Sans hurt someone without a soul could still be in general resistance negation. Think about when Sans was put up against people without a SOUL its a stomp for the other fighter. But in this case how could this not be resistance negation if it falls under a category of a power/resistance that protects from a power but still gets beat the shit out of the powers that you have a protection from?
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I disagree with the CRT for the reasons above.
Undertale attacks harm the soul and the body. Nothing implies that Sans harmed his "soul" he just beat up Flowey through his physical attacks and his other haxes.
Also, none of this means Flowey NEVER killed Sans, it means that Sans killed him more times than other monsters.
There is not enough evidence to prove Sans can soul hax soulless beings, he never fought in camera with soulless beings and even then he has multiple ways to harm soulless being that don't require soul hax.
Undertale attacks harm the soul and the body. Nothing implies that Sans harmed his "soul" he just beat up Flowey through his physical attacks and his other haxes.
Also, none of this means Flowey NEVER killed Sans, it means that Sans killed him more times than other monsters.
There is not enough evidence to prove Sans can soul hax soulless beings, he never fought in camera with soulless beings and even then he has multiple ways to harm soulless being that don't require soul hax.
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Dunno man, Frisk got soul resistance and takes soul damage as physical damage and still get their ass screwed even by 9-B sans
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Isn't that with LS?
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Flowey can't really land a finger on sans cause of instinctive action and teleporting. Sans ironically having higher stamina cause it's adverage vs unknown so flowey's durability is kinda useless if his stamina isn't even comparable to adverage with no real shown invulnerability from taking 9-B damage.
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DURA NEG DOESN'T MATTER HERE BRO
It already was accepted that Frisk takes soul damage as physical one, and they're taking like, a lot of damage from Sans, even if they got more than 100 DEF
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Besides Karma, doesn't Sans have that damage frames thing?
From what I remember he really does 1 damage to Frisk with the Gaster Blasters but the damage frame is so small that several 1 damage is dealt in a short time of hit (besides Karma)
I could be wrong, but I remember seeing this somewhere.
From what I remember he really does 1 damage to Frisk with the Gaster Blasters but the damage frame is so small that several 1 damage is dealt in a short time of hit (besides Karma)
I could be wrong, but I remember seeing this somewhere.
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So you don’t think Sans should upscale?
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Turn off your powerscaling brain for a moment. The lore of the game does not imply that Flowey is immune to all of Sans' attacks with sheer durability.
Sans is one of the fastest monsters and can deal a lot of damage with fast attacks, the damage just stacks. He is like a minigun in a world of sniper rifles. Sure sniper rifles deal more damage at once but miniguns deal rapid damage. That and in gameplay, Sans can ignore immunity frames and deal more than 1 damage per second.
Nothing in the lore of Undertale implies Sans is unable to harm Flowey, quite the opposite.
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