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He should because of scaling that isn't necessarily legit. If Doffy used Haki to break free of the ice then Luffy could scale, but there's no evidence.
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Samus Aran vs Monkey D. Luffy
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FRA Goken and precog.
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Samus can't land a hit if Luffy's precog allows him to always remain several seconds ahead of her consistently throughout. Her level of precog is almost insignificant in comparison to that.
Also, he doesn't even need to make physical contact to destroy her via Goken's ability to just enter the body and instantly erode and destroy her upon contact. She wont survive if Goken comes into contact.
This fight ends almost instantly one way or the other, but Luffy is far better suited where it matters, and he gets the W whether he lands the first strike or even if he is wounded in any meaningful way (low-chance).
Luffy takes it.
Also, he doesn't even need to make physical contact to destroy her via Goken's ability to just enter the body and instantly erode and destroy her upon contact. She wont survive if Goken comes into contact.
This fight ends almost instantly one way or the other, but Luffy is far better suited where it matters, and he gets the W whether he lands the first strike or even if he is wounded in any meaningful way (low-chance).
Luffy takes it.
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I shall also put my vote for the Fifth Emperor of the Sea as well
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Okay, lots of misconceptions being thrown around here about Samus' abilities.
Samus' Ice Beam does negate durability. All that revision said is that poking someone with an AZ stick is not AZ manipulation nor is getting poked by an AZ stick not AZ resistance. But Samus' ice beam consistently freezes enemies with Planet level durability even in her 6-C key. So yes, I doubt Luffy will resist it.
Samus has all of her beam power ups stacked; so her ice beam and wave beam are stacked. It's even mentioned it on her profile that every 2D metroid game stacks her Power Arm power ups together. Wave Beam is not electricity based; it's an intangible attack that phases through, walls, force-fields, and armor and attacks their weak spots. And the fact that it's stacked with Ice Beam also further enables freezing vitals to nigh-AZ. Also, she can spam it with unlimited ammo and she has rather wide AoE with it.
Also, her precognition is actually downplayed, because in depth Chozo lore which is going to be tackled later, has them with cosmic awareness. Mostly Tallon IV Chozo, but even regular Chozo actually still have quite good levels of precognition.
Samus also has rage power, which multiples her power and speed by 5; thus making it much stronger than Luffy. Page 25. Also, Chozo DNA gives her amazing stamina and not a single shot depletes her energy one bit.
Samus' Ice Beam does negate durability. All that revision said is that poking someone with an AZ stick is not AZ manipulation nor is getting poked by an AZ stick not AZ resistance. But Samus' ice beam consistently freezes enemies with Planet level durability even in her 6-C key. So yes, I doubt Luffy will resist it.
Samus has all of her beam power ups stacked; so her ice beam and wave beam are stacked. It's even mentioned it on her profile that every 2D metroid game stacks her Power Arm power ups together. Wave Beam is not electricity based; it's an intangible attack that phases through, walls, force-fields, and armor and attacks their weak spots. And the fact that it's stacked with Ice Beam also further enables freezing vitals to nigh-AZ. Also, she can spam it with unlimited ammo and she has rather wide AoE with it.
Also, her precognition is actually downplayed, because in depth Chozo lore which is going to be tackled later, has them with cosmic awareness. Mostly Tallon IV Chozo, but even regular Chozo actually still have quite good levels of precognition.
Samus also has rage power, which multiples her power and speed by 5; thus making it much stronger than Luffy. Page 25. Also, Chozo DNA gives her amazing stamina and not a single shot depletes her energy one bit.
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So basically neither can hit the other due to their Precog, but Luffy has Goken whose internal strike hits the body
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If they are going to keep dodging, Luffy has the advantage since better stamina
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Also again, Goken hits internally
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If it hits, which it won't.
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Why?
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Wave Beam/Ice Beam also hits internally.
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Isn't Speed Equalized? So wouldn't Luffy's range, stretchy attacks be at a speed Samus can dodge while Samus spams her range weapon that is not attached to her body?
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It's a beam, right? Luffy can precog it, then.
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I know, but it still has a travel time and is dodgeable due to Precog
Goken instantaneously hits with no travel time or speed, so it isn't dodgeable
Goken instantaneously hits with no travel time or speed, so it isn't dodgeable
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Does Speed Equalized mean equalizing the speed of both Character's movement speed or equalized speed with a gun (laser).Milly Rocking Bandit said:
Also, precog didn't save Luffy from something with superior speed.
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Speed Equal applies to all speed
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It applies to all initial speed, but speed amplifications can also be used. Such as Speed Booster, Shine Spark, and Rage Power. Also, forgot to mention her speed echoes. They're afterimages that operate on their own, fly like homing attacks, and are considered super potent upon collision.
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Luffy wasn't calmed when Kaido stomped him. Precognition doesn't work if the user loses his calm and that's one of the few rage barrages Luffy has ever done.
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I'm just saying that Samus is listed as Massively FTL + but her beams are always shown to be faster than herself.
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She's Massively Hypersonic+ in this key, it's her High 6-A and beyond keys that are Massively FTL+. Not that it matters due to speed equalization, just pointing out the slight error.
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Yeah all speed is equal
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My point is, with Speed equal (movement speed) Luffy has to dodge beams way faster than he is.
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Speed Equal applies to attack speed
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Ah. So a 10-B with gun vs a 10-B without a gun is no longer a stomp if speed is equal?
The future vs match possibilities...
The future vs match possibilities...
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i mean the 10-B would have 9-C-9-B AP w/ the gun, so it would still be a stomp unless you have them in cqc at the start so the other guy can try and disarm at least.
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Well, I was making more of a point how the logic that is being made, because Speed is equalized, Luffy is as fast as Samus's Beams, making movement wise, Samus's body slower than Luffy.
Samus has two types of speed here. The speed of her movements and the speed of her beams.
Luffy is equalized with one of these speeds. Is Luffy's speed equalized with Samus or her beams?
Samus has two types of speed here. The speed of her movements and the speed of her beams.
Luffy is equalized with one of these speeds. Is Luffy's speed equalized with Samus or her beams?
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Everything's speed is equalized with the exception of speed-boosts. So if a character has an ability that gradually increases speed, or stacks their speed/multiplies it, it will apply.
Projectiles and movement speed are equalized. However, if the projectiles have a function to increase in speed the further they travel, then that would apply here.
Projectiles and movement speed are equalized. However, if the projectiles have a function to increase in speed the further they travel, then that would apply here.
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Samus FRA. Her Speed amps should give her the win on top of everything else she has.
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Implying Luffy doesn't have speed amps.
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Samus fra
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So, how can Luffy get past Samus's ice beam defense with the Special Charge Beam Attacks?
"The following effects are created from using a Special Charge Beam Attack:
Ice Beam - Four ice bolts will circle around Samus for a brief time. If she runs into an enemy, they will break one at a time against it, the first one freezing it in place. Each bolt deals the same amount of damage as a charged shot of the Ice Beam. Samus cannot fire again until after all four bolts have either been used or dissipated."
"The following effects are created from using a Special Charge Beam Attack:
Ice Beam - Four ice bolts will circle around Samus for a brief time. If she runs into an enemy, they will break one at a time against it, the first one freezing it in place. Each bolt deals the same amount of damage as a charged shot of the Ice Beam. Samus cannot fire again until after all four bolts have either been used or dissipated."
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Punching her before she can even fire it. We have been there already.
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