Samus and Phazon

[SomebodyData]

I'm okay with Status Effect Inducement "Stun" via Wave Beam being added then (5-B tab I guess?)

 

[TheAccursedHunter01]

Seems fine to me.

 

[Theglassman12]

So can we add the additions???

 

[Theglassman12]

Also, shouldn't MP have high regen as well? It regenerated after being exploded by the amounts of phazon samus shot at it, and came back from a small puddle of phazon.

 

[TheAccursedHunter01]

Metroid Prime's Core Essence was defeated by being overloaded with Phazon, so it was able to survive by absorbing even more Phazon from Samus' suit. That sounds sort of counterintuitive unless MP reconstituted itself before it's essence was destoryed and turned itself into Dark Samus/something else... or something. I guess that's like the Morph Ball and I'm not supposed to think about it too hard?

 

[Theglassman12]

But we see Metroid Prime exploding in the end of the fight.

 

[TheAccursedHunter01]

But we see Metroid Prime exploding in the end of the fight.

I know, that's sort of part of the problem, lol. DS has survived getting exploded more than once though.

 

[Theglassman12]

I don't really see the problem there. The fact that it regenerated again and again in very similar circumstances should mean that the first one was no different.

 

[Kaltias]

Surviving after blowing up is High-Mid

 

[Theglassman12]

No, it would be Low-High considering MP regenerated from a small puddle of Phazon.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looking at this video I just see a flashing light at the end. But yeah, I do remember the puddle of phazon being a thing even in Prime 1, so Low-High at bare minimum seems reasonable for Prime Core's regen.

 

[Newendigo]

I'm still really iffy with Tech Negation from the Volt Driver, it should instead Status Effect Inducement as the weapon doesnt outright negate tech and the effect just last for a couple of seconds.

 

[SomebodyData]

I mean, if we were to put it as status effect inducement it would still be tech negation. Not to mention how long it negs tech doesn't influence what the ability is.

 

[SomebodyData]

As for the regen, we don't know if it would count as due to the unstabling of MP or because it was trying to fuse with Samus' DNA.

 

[Theglassman12]

Well remember that DS has been overloaded before with phazon, and disintegrated because of it, only to come back not to long after.

 

[SomebodyData]

Yes, which should be good for Dark Samus, not Metroid Prime. (Not to mention DS when overloaded become particles, Metroid Prime is a puddle, which might suggest it wasn't an overload)

 

[Theglassman12]

Well it's not as good as DS' regen, but it's at least some explanation on how it was able to return after blowing up.

 

[Theglassman12]

maybe a reactive evolution should be added for DS since it's regen gets better over time.

 

[SomebodyData]

Like I said above, not sure if it is regen or just MP incorporating Samus' DNA.

 

[TheAccursedHunter01]

As far as the Volt Driver goes, it fires a blast of multi-Terrawatt energy. I'm not sure any kind of tech that won't get negated if not destroyed outright. Then again, when Samus and the other Hunters (going off of multiplayer anyway) are hit by the Volt Driver, their visor goes fuzzy for a few seconds and that's it, kind of like what the Prime 2 Pirate Commando EMP Grenades did to Samus.

 

[Theglassman12]

It's also somewhat similar to the drones and Bombus in MP1 where they try to screw with Samus' vision when near her.

 

[Theglassman12]

So can we add the things to her profile now???

 

[TheAccursedHunter01]

If there's nothing else left to dscuss I don't see why not.

 

[Newendigo]

Why is Sub-Atomic Destruction listed as Matter Manipulation in Samus's profile?

 

[Theglassman12]

That's sort of what sub atomic destruction is. It's a part of matter manipulation

 

[Newendigo]

But destroy matter on a sub-atomic level =/= Control matter on a sub-atomic level.

 

[Theglassman12]

You're still manipulating matter on a subatomic level.

 

[Newendigo]

No, you are just destroying matter, not manipulating it in any form or shape.

 

[Theglassman12]

it's still the same thing. You're altering the subatomic structure of the target by destroying it.

 

[Newendigo]

No, its not the same thing, you are not altering the structure of matter by just destroying it, unless yo can rearrange the matter in something else.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Light Suit Samus destroys matter via Annihilator Beam/Anti-Matter.

 

[Newendigo]

Again, destroying matter =/= controlling matter.

Otherwise characters such as Guyver I and Raide would have molecular matter manipulation with their HF Blades.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

She also absorbs energy after destroying the enemies she defeats.

 

[Newendigo]

"The Annihilator Beam fires streams of light and dark energy. This Beam can seek single or multiple enemy targets. Press GC C-stick down/Hold Wii + button and point up to select the Annihilator Beam as your active weapon."

"Samus's Notes When out of Light and Dark Ammo, you can charge the Annihilator Beam to fire a normal shot. The Annihilator Beam has a high-powered sonic aspect when fired, which can be used to manipulate sonic-powered devices. Annihilator Beam shots are very effective against both light and dark enemies. Charge the Annihilator Beam to fire a Disruptor blast. The Disruptor costs 5 Dark Ammo and 5 Light Ammo to fire."

It doesnt says anything about converting matter into energy.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

It doesn't apply to the Annihilator Beam specifically. She Literally does absorb energy from various enemies she destroys regardless of what weapon she uses.

 

[Newendigo]

Then what does it has to do with this?

Absorbing energy from enemies doesn't translate in to manipulating matter, at all.

 

[SomebodyData]

It is specifically written down as resistance to destruction on that level. Not manipulating it.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Though, what ability would transforming an entire planet into pure energy and the using it to fused two planets together be treated as? I know that's super advanced energy manipulation calc'd at being high up on Small Star level, but isn't that also technically matter manipulation?

 

[Newendigo]

@SD+

"Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Enhanced Senses, Scan Visor (Gives out basic information and weaknesses), Self-Healing (Concentration is Low), Precognition, Can see invisible beings, Can harm intangible beings, Regenerationn (High-Low when suit suffers breaking or cracks), Energy Projection, Weapon Mastery, Vehicular Mastery, Ice Manipulation, Electricity Manipulation, Can absorb and redirect energy projectiles, Can enhance her AP by charging her attacks, Barrier and Armor Bypassing with Wave Beam, Temporary Invulnerability and Damage upon impact with Electro Armor; Speed Boosting; and Screwattack, Energy and Life Absorption, Resistant to the following: Mind Manipulation and Acid Manipulation, Adapted to Gravity Manipulation. Can hit enemies with Intangibility (Spatial, Immaterial, and Elemental). | Same as before, plus Weaponized Plasma, X-Ray Visor, Speed Boosting, Rage Power, Internal Organ damaging with Plasma Beam, Healing (At least Mid-Low with Crystal Flash), Time Deceleratio with Phase Drift. Resistant to the following: Radiation; Atomic Destruction; Possession; Nigh-Absolute Zero; Gravity and Heat. | Same as before, plus weaponized Matter and Antimatter; Light; and Dark Energy, can transform into energy if she is inside a large energy beam, Homing Attack, Space-Time Distortio with the Sonic Boom, Portal Creation/BFR with the Dark Burst, Immunity to Toxic Gas and Possession | All previous abilities, plus Statistics Amplification, Invulnerability, Phazo Manipulation, Nova Beam which when combined with X-Ray Vision allows her to bypass shielding, Electro Lob causes temporary blindness, Sub-Atomic Destruction with Shock Coil, Volt Driver and Seeker Missile can track her enemies, Energy Manipulation, Energy Drai with Hyper Grapple, White Hole Manipulation, Regenerationn (At least Low-Godly) Negation."

Looks like it is written as manipulation.

 

[SomebodyData]

@New no it is not. It is linked to Matter Manipulation given it is a sub-set but it is not stated to be a resistance to matter manipulation as a whole.

@Dark not sure, though its not Samus' ability.