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Sakura: Love and Lightning

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Nami_Kami said:
The issue is that Kaguya had the Byakugan activated. Something that is seen allowing it's users see omnidirectionally for hundreds of meters, like when Neji activated it and almost instantly spotted 4 seals each hundreds of meters away from him in different directions. This'd suggest that Sakura was well within Kaguya's line-of-sight despite her facing forward. If anything this may even imply that Kaguya was blitzed by Sakura. This is also consistent with Kaguya moving upward with enough speed to dodge Six Paths Naruto and Rinnegan Sasuke, and Sakura easily tagging her. And even by Kaguya failing to dodge Sakura AFTER noticing her coming. So an exhausted base Sakura while being in a good mental state is performing better feats than she was performing at full-power with the Byakugo while uncertain.
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I'd be much more prepared to call that simple PIS given that Kaguya's Byakugan should have informed her that Sakura was above her in the first place yet she still chose to dodge upwards towards her and was surprised when she attacked.
 
Damage3245 said:
I'd be much more prepared to call that simple PIS given that Kaguya's Byakugan should have informed her that Sakura was above her in the first place yet she still chose to dodge upwards towards her and was surprised when she attacked.
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That's because Kaguya never considered Sakura a threat and even passed and chose to ignore her after walking in Sakura's face. It's not that Kaguya didn't know Sakura was above. It's simply that she never thought much of Sakura and thought she won't be an issue. Kaguya's decision, from her PoV, would have been justified, given Sakura felt scared and uncertain for the majority of the fight against her and never managed to show her maximum capacity.
 
Nami_Kami said:
When it comes to Sakura, her mental state often has a huge impact on her power.

For example: When Sakura felt uncertain against Madara and only wanted to serve as a bait, she got absolutely destroyed by him despite having activated the Byakugo.

Yet when she felt determined against Kaguya, and felt like she had to be more than that, she got such a mental amp that she broke her horn and bruised her, as well as Kaguya being unable to dodge her punch. A Kaguya that's also said to be exponentially greater than before.

Keep in mind that this was a base form, exhausted and almost empty on Chakra Sakura too. Which really speaks for how big an amp that was.
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I agree with the whole notion of mental amps being a major aspect but this makes it seem if Sakura scaling to Kaguya was just a thing of determination and not a one-time resolve amp/PIS.

Overall Sakuras performance can increase and decrease based on her emotional state (just as any other Naruto character can) but this is not just simply a matter of lacking or not lacking determination.
 
DavidTPPM said:
I agree with the whole notion of mental amps being a major aspect but this makes it seem if Sakura scaling to Kaguya was just a thing of determination and not a one-time resolve amp/PIS.

Overall Sakuras performance can increase and decrease based on her emotional state (just as any other Naruto character can) but this is not just simply a matter of lacking or not lacking determination.
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They can stack I guess. Determination + Emotional amp + Wanting to look good in front of Suske.
 
I agree with the multiplier, although I think the proposed justifications could use some work. Sakura especially, since she is the crux of this whole thing.
At least Massively Hypersonic+ (Albeit weakened, she was able to keep up with Kido[3][Note 2]) FTL with Byakugō and mental amps (Kept up with an amped Kido[4][Note 3])
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Since Kido doesn’t have a page of his own, Sakura’s justification should mention the multiplier instead of the vague description of “amped” Kido.

Also, her Byakugō and mental amps (which should probably be changed to Empowerment since that is the official power for this kind of thing) should have separate justifications imo, with the empowerment justification mentioning where she’s getting the mental amp from.
 
Here's something
FTL with Byakugō and Empowerment (Sakura was able to keep up with Kido, whose speed increased by several orders of magnitude while using the Tailed Beast Drug)
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Which will also get added as an ability for her
Although, I think a note should be added on her page. So as not to make her stat section bloated. Something like this:
Note: Sakura’s statistics are further enhanced by her strong emotions, especially her feelings towards her comrades, particularly Sasuke
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might make a crt to gets this added verse wide. didn't know we had empowerment as an ability
 
Testarossa002 said:
Here's something

Which will also get added as an ability for her
Although, I think a note should be added on her page. So as not to make her stat section bloated. Something like this:

might make a crt to gets this added verse wide. didn't know we had empowerment as an ability
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You might wanna start the tally now.
 
Testarossa002 said:
Although, I think a note should be added on her page. So as not to make her stat section bloated. Something like this:
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Tbh a note won’t be necessary if she’s given the ability, because then it can be included in the ability justification. I would format the stat section like this though:
up to FTL with Empowerment (While [insert brief mental amp justification], she was able to dodge a jutsu from Kido, whose speed had been increased by several orders of magnitude by the Tailed Beast Drug), FTL with Byakugō (Can keep up with Kido while he was enhanced by the Tailed Beast Drug)
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An ‘up to FTL’ rating for her Empowerment would fit better imo, since these emotional/mental amps aren’t exactly static and don’t always increase abilities to the same degree.
 
LordTracer said:
Tbh a note won’t be necessary if she’s given the ability, because then it can be included in the ability justification. I would format the stat section like this though:

An ‘up to FTL’ rating for her Empowerment would fit better imo, since these emotional/mental amps aren’t exactly static and don’t always increase abilities to the same degree.
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What about "MHS+ usually, up to FTL via empowerment"? Kinda like how the Marvel folks do it.
 
HelloThere1089 said:
What about "MHS+ usually, up to FTL via empowerment"? Kinda like how the Marvel folks do it.
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I’m not a huge fan of how Marvel does it tbh
The ‘usually’ isn’t really necessary, since Sakura’s base speed doesn’t really change. Empowerment is a separate amp, not just her using the peak of her speed like the Marvel pages.
 
So wouldn't this just outright scale to a full power base Sakura as well? If we accept this
up to FTL with Empowerment (While [insert brief mental amp justification], she was able to dodge a jutsu from Kido, whose speed had been increased by several orders of magnitude by the Tailed Beast Drug)
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Then Shin should realistically scale as well. Shin tried to attack her husband and daughter so Sakura should realistically have the same level of empowerment.
 
DavidTPPM said:
And shouldn't empowerment based around Sarada, Sasuke, and Naruto be superior to empowerment based around just Sasuke?
Sakura straight up mentions Sasuke the moment she starts the fight and even went to attack Shin because he attacked Sasuke and their daughter.
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I wasn’t commenting on Shin scaling because it really doesn’t matter to this thread (also he already scales to FTL through Sasuke so like…). I was addressing the notion of Empowerment somehow scaling to Sakura’s “full power”.
 
LordTracer said:
I wasn’t commenting on Shin scaling because it really doesn’t matter to this thread (also he already scales to FTL through Sasuke so like…). I was addressing the notion of Empowerment somehow scaling to Sakura’s “full power”.
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I'm mentioning it because it kinda matters.
If Shin ~ empowered Sakura = 9c then Naruto and Sasuke should realistically upscale to FTL+.

Shin was getting outperformed by a heavily fatigued 3 tomoe Sasuke, and base Naruto reacted to him quite easily. So the gap should be enough to just upscale them to baseline FTL+
 
DavidTPPM said:
I'm mentioning it because it kinda matters.
If Shin ~ empowered Sakura = 9c then Naruto and Sasuke should realistically upscale to FTL+.

Shin was getting outperformed by a heavily fatigued 3 tomoe Sasuke, and base Naruto reacted to him quite easily. So the gap should be enough to just upscale them to baseline FTL+
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Testarossa002 said:
Characters like IT Kaguya and the Boruto bros scale to FTL+ (10c) via upscaling massively from the FTL characters.
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Testarossa002 said:
Characters like IT Kaguya and the Boruto bros scale to FTL+ (10c) via upscaling massively from the FTL characters.
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Shin technically isn't from Boruto but from Naruto Gaiden and is currently scaled off of a heavily weakened Sasuke rather than Sakura.
 
DavidTPPM said:
Shin technically isn't from Boruto but from Naruto Gaiden and is currently scaled off of a heavily weakened Sasuke rather than Sakura.
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The technicality doesn’t matter, the OP is pretty clearly saying that Nard and Sauce at that point will already be upscaling to FTL+.
 
LordTracer said:
The technicality doesn’t matter, the OP is pretty clearly saying that Nard and Sauce at that point will already be upscaling to FTL+.
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Well it does matter for Shin, base Nard, and would work as a good additional reasoning for 6p Sauce.
Was capable of matching Shin Uchiha even while his visual powers were greatly diminished
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I agree with a multiplier, but I think 1000x doesn't have much consistency. It would be interesting to get the novel in Japanese, because in fan translations there are not "several orders" but only "orders".
 
GTsek said:
I agree with a multiplier, but I think 1000x doesn't have much consistency. It would be interesting to get the novel in Japanese, because in fan translations there are not "several orders" but only "orders".
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where have you heard that?



iirc this is from official translators which would be done by experienced people, japanese being a contextual language means one cannot look words up the dictionary and slap translations just like that. so given that they phrased it like this would mean the words generally imply a level here regardless and unless someone can pull the raws to fully contradict this I think we should roll with the given words



Also it's kinda near impossible for someone to find the raws unless they're a hardcore LN junkie
 
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One question, why isn't Sakura at least Sub Rel for being comparable with Naruto and Sasuke?

This would upgrade the speed from 9c to 45c
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
One question, why isn't Sakura at least Sub Rel for being comparable with Naruto and Sasuke?
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Iirc being comparable to them doesn't necessarily entail having relative speed. Her physical strength most likely eclipsed theirs, so did her regeneration, and she kinda has no speed feats to suggest she's relative to them.

Overall the whole statement is kinda weird so that's probably why she's not relative to them rn.
Ghostimuscrime said:
This would upgrade the speed from 9c to 45c
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Nah. The multiplier is applied to Sais value, not Sakuras.
 
DavidTPPM said:
Iirc being comparable to them doesn't necessarily entail having relative speed. Her physical strength most likely eclipsed theirs, so did her regeneration, and she kinda has no speed feats to suggest she's relative to them.

Overall the whole statement is kinda weird so that's probably why she's not relative to them rn.

Nah. The multiplier is applied to Sais value, not Sakuras.
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alright time for me to go back to the kitchen😈
 
DavidTPPM said:
Time to bring this bad boy into the spotlight 🥶

Sai reacted to Madara omg kcm1 rival fr
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let-him-cook-meme-.png
 
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