Saint Seiya Discussion Thread (IV)

[Huesito88]

"Saint Seiya is hyperbole and any visual feat is a metaphor or representation"

It's true though, almost all of it is symbolic, the absolute strongest characters (those gods) in Saint Seiya are barely Planet level through TK offensively with Baseline FTL speed and are glass canons.

 

[AlexZiggy]

That moment when Mu's visual feat in G is beyond anything DB has except Zeno

 

[Lynieryz]

but coming from you, i don't doubt this prejudice against me at all ¯⁠\⁠⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠⁠/⁠¯

??? I think you're confusing me with someone else? I basically never interacted with you and I don't remember being offensive to you, and again my comment is not about you in specific, but rather that the way you interact with Saint Seiya is something characteristic of Brazilian Dragon Ball fans, and you know that this is not a lie.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

??? I think you're confusing me with someone else? I basically never interacted with you and I don't remember being offensive to you, and again my comment is not about you in specific, but rather that the way you interact with Saint Seiya is something characteristic of Brazilian Dragon Ball fans, and you know that this is not a lie.

I'm not confused, i remember people who do evil, i'm just pointing out an error to them, which should be fixed



Now pointing out errors in the work you like causes you to be prejudiced because you are Brazilian, it's funny that Saint Seiya fans themselves can't bear to debate without involving Dragon Ball, i don't care about these franchise fights, i'm just showing you the right way.

 

[Lynieryz]

I'm not confused, i remember people who do evil, i'm just pointing out an error to them, which should be fixed



Now pointing out errors in the work you like causes you to be prejudiced because you are Brazilian, it's funny that Saint Seiya fans themselves can't bear to debate without involving Dragon Ball, i don't care about these franchise fights, i'm just showing you the right way.

Eu não entendi algumas partes do q vc disse.[I didn't understand some parts of what you said]

Você pode postar oq você quis dizer em Português junto com uma tradução para o Inglês já que a wiki não permite falar em outra língua?
[Can you post what you meant in Portuguese along with a translation into English since the wiki does not allow speaking in another language?]

E do q eu entendi sobre oq vc disse, eu nunca entrei no assunto sobre oq vc está dizendo ser correto ou não, mas sim q o jeito e as exatas palavras q vc utiliza com Saint Seiya são literalmente as q os fãs de Dragon Ball brasileiros usam em relação a todo o contexto q eu dei.
[And from what I understand about what you said, I never went into whether what you're saying is correct or not, but rather that the way and exact words you usually use with Saint Seiya are literally what Brazilian Dragon Ball fans use in relation to all the context I gave.]

and again my comment is not about you in specific, but rather that the way you interact with Saint Seiya is something characteristic of Brazilian Dragon Ball fans, and you know that this is not a lie.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Eu não entendi algumas partes do q vc disse.[I didn't understand some parts of what you said]

Você pode postar oq você quis dizer em Português junto com uma tradução para o Inglês já que a wiki não permite falar em outra língua?
[Can you post what you meant in Portuguese along with a translation into English since the wiki does not allow speaking in another language?]

E do q eu entendi sobre oq vc disse, eu nunca entrei no assunto sobre oq vc está dizendo ser correto ou não, mas sim q o jeito e as exatas palavras q vc utiliza com Saint Seiya são literalmente as q os fãs de Dragon Ball brasileiros usam em relação a todo o contexto q eu dei.
[And from what I understand about what you said, I never went into whether what you're saying is correct or not, but rather that the way and exact words you usually use with Saint Seiya are literally what Brazilian Dragon Ball fans use in relation to all the context I gave.]

Speaking in Portuguese can run the risk of being banned, i use google translator, some words may be wrong, but it is exactly about this feat that is not literal here

 

[Lynieryz]

Speaking in Portuguese can run the risk of being banned, i use google translator, some words may be wrong, but it is exactly about this feat that is not literal here

But I never talked about the feat itself??? And nothing I said was about that.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

But I never talked about the feat itself??? And nothing I said was about that.

But you should pay attention to what people say, before i come to accuse and put dragon ball in the middle, you wouldn't want to see a stranger speaking badly about Brazil or your country (i thought it was a bit unnecessary to mention nationality and judge someone based on that )

 

[Lynieryz]

But you should pay attention to what people say, before i come to accuse and put dragon ball in the middle, you wouldn't want to see a stranger speaking badly about Brazil or your country (i thought it was a bit unnecessary to mention nationality and judge someone based on that )

Because this is a fact and it is literally something that happened, it has been decades and decades since cdz and dbz have had this rivalry in Brazil and it continues to this day.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Because this is a fact and it is literally something that happened, it has been decades and decades since cdz and dbz have had this rivalry in Brazil and it continues to this day.

If i could leave Brazil, the first place i would go was to the United States to earn a dollar, Saint Seiya is so old and Dragon Ball that i wasn't even born, i don't know the ancient times, here in Brazil there aren't many Saint Seiya fans, you can count them on your fingers (i think this must be because people at that time must have been around 60 years old), i just turned 25 a few months ago.

 

[Hasty12345]

Which characters should get G profiles?

 

[Huesito88]

Which characters should get G profiles?

All of them

 

[Hasty12345]

All of them

we cannot do that as the characters have to be different enough from their "canon" counterparts.

I am thinking Aiolia, Shura, Seiya, Ikki and Aiolos (Anti-Pope) as well as the G-unique Gods.

 

[StekFence]

Prob shiryu too as long as okada delivers next chapter

 

[Hasty12345]

Prob shiryu too as long as okada delivers next chapter

he would need to be different enough from canon Shiryu to justify a stand alone profile

 

[Lynieryz]

he would need to be different enough from canon Shiryu to justify a stand alone profile

As far as I remember, if a character is relevant to the scaling, a profile of them can also be done even if it is not different enough.

 

[Hasty12345]

As far as I remember, if a character is relevant to the scaling, a profile of them can also be done even if it is not different enough.

That’s just more maintenance and a scaling blog could be done and is easier to upkeep.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

he would need to be different enough from canon Shiryu to justify a stand alone profile

Different tiering placement, and speed ratings count as being different enough. Doesn't just have to be abilities or the whole package

 

[Hasty12345]

Different tiering placement, and speed ratings count as being different enough. Doesn't just have to be abilities or the whole package

I’m not creating upwards of 20 gold Saint profiles when 14 of them are likely the same bar 1 or 2 abilities and AP rating.

But if you want to be my guest

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

I’m not creating upwards of 20 gold Saint profiles when 14 of them are likely the same bar 1 or 2 abilities and AP rating.

But if you want to be my guest

Fair point, there's plenty of other profile worthy characters to be dome first lol

 

[AlexZiggy]

Can't wait for smurf Ikki

 

[Hasty12345]

Ikki will scale to the high 1-B multiverse

 

[StekFence]

Technically, if we get higher D gods, all saints would have Smurf fate hax from nike, or at least the good guy ones

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Dunno about this HDE gods.........

 

[Hasty12345]

After the Gold Saints are fixed, I will be doing a cosmology upgrade down the line looking at getting tier 1 given some of the information I found about wiki standards about time axis stuff. The verse should solidly reach a high 1-B multiverse and maybe even low 1-A for those who scale above 8th sense realms, basically gods and 9th sense users.

We'll see what happens but for now, fixing Gold Saint AP ratings is the next priority once we're able to apply the most recent revision.

 

[AlexZiggy]

After the Gold Saints are fixed, I will be doing a cosmology upgrade down the line looking at getting tier 1 given some of the information I found about wiki standards about time axis stuff. The verse should solidly reach a high 1-B multiverse and maybe even low 1-A for those who scale above 8th sense realms, basically gods and 9th sense users.

We'll see what happens but for now, fixing Gold Saint AP ratings is the next priority once we're able to apply the most recent revision.

High 1-B Mr Krabs

 

[Ryzen7900X]

and even though it would mean Goku soloed Saint Seiya, I would have upgraded him to low 1-C (which is where he should be)

Excuse me what?

 

[Hasty12345]

Excuse me what?

U7 is a hyper timeline, Goku should be 5D and Zeno 6D.

 

[Ryzen7900X]

U7 is a hyper timeline, Goku should be 5D and Zeno 6D.

Um...did I miss something? Idk if I have the wrong cosmology page open but all I see is a 5D hypertimeline rn. Weren't you against even 2-C U7 tho? Why Low 1-C now?

 

[Hasty12345]

Um...did I miss something? Idk if I have the wrong cosmology page open but all I see is a 5D hypertimeline rn. Weren't you against even 2-C U7 tho? Why Low 1-C now?

I'm allowed to change my opinion.

I think it's clear the U7 macrocosm is a 5D hypertimeline, I'd make a CRT but I'm preoccupied with Saint Seiya at the moment.

 

[Ryzen7900X]

I'm allowed to change my opinion.

I think it's clear the U7 macrocosm is a 5D hypertimeline, I'd make a CRT but I'm preoccupied with Saint Seiya at the moment.

You sure it's not just a little pity to DB fans cuz High 1-B SS mid tiers are gonna stomp the verse anyway?

 

[Hasty12345]

You sure it's not just a little pity to DB fans cuz High 1-B SS mid tiers are gonna stomp the verse anyway?

Yes.

idc about fan wars, based on how we currently treat hypertimelines Goku should be low 1-C for scaling to U7 macrocosm.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

U7 is a hyper timeline, Goku should be 5D and Zeno 6D.

This is absurd, this would never be accepted.

 

[Hasty12345]

This is absurd, this would never be accepted.

it's not absurd and just because the wiki wouldn't accept it doesn't make it any less true.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

it's not absurd and just because the wiki wouldn't accept it doesn't make it any less true.

I don't think this is true, just like Saint Seiya being 1-B based on no evidence, i don't agree with this reasoning of making Universe 7 low 1-C we have no evidence for this.

 

[Hasty12345]

I don't think this is true, just like Saint Seiya being 1-B based on no evidence, i don't agree with this reasoning of making Universe 7 low 1-C we have no evidence for this.

you literally just agreed to a CRT to make DB Earth larger than the actual Earth with no evidence...

You and I both know based on how the wiki currently views the DB cosmology, U7 should be low 1-C due to hypertimeline logic. The only reason no one is going for it is because the idea that upgrading Goku will result in a tier system or standard change.

I'm not scared of backlash, and I will eventually get around to making the low 1-C U7 CRT, because it has the same amount of evidence the DB multiverse has for being low 1-C and has every reason to be upgraded.

 

[Ryzen7900X]

Yes.

idc about fan wars, based on how we currently treat hypertimelines Goku should be low 1-C for scaling to U7 macrocosm.

Still tho that's quite something. I thought even average gold saints could blitz and one shot DBS goku

 

[Hasty12345]

Still tho that's quite something. I thought even average gold saints could blitz and one shot DBS goku

There are Gold Saints that can do that, but they are well above the "average gold saint" hahaha

 

[Ryzen7900X]

There are Gold Saints that can do that, but they are well above the "average gold saint" hahaha

we have low 1-C gold saints? Lemme guess, Shaka?

 

[Hasty12345]

we have low 1-C gold saints? Lemme guess, Shaka?

Shaka is a "slightly above average" Gold Saint