Hasty12345
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I had all the calcs removed to be redone in a proper blog
Ikki, Seiya and probably the other 3
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Saint Seiya Discussion Thread (IV)
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tbh even low tier saints can outhax goku but I was wondering more so stat-wise
Was just wondering because i've always heard that even average gold saints solo dragon ball
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oh okay. But doesn't it seem redundant cuz most god tiers are gonna be infinite speed or above anyway?
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what about toei dbz? and Heroes? surely god tiers can solo all of that right?
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DBH already solos Saint Seiya's verse, immeasurable speed and low 1-C for each random characters.
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It is redundant.
average gold saints dont, god tiers will if my 1-B/low 1-A arguments succeed.
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Can I know your argument for low 1c u7
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I have basically said it 3 times what I plan on doing.
all the universes 1-12 are hypertimelines within their own right and should be low 1-C.
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can I know what some of those argument might be? Seems interesting cuz that's higher than any meta I've seen for saint seiya
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Do you have a scan that would prove that u7 has some extra time dimension that contains all of the 3 realms which are seprated by time having there own time dimension which would create uncountable snapshots making the u7 time dimension 5d
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naturally I have an argument for that to be the case, otherwise I wouldn't be saying that I do.
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I see would be interesting
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I mean I've seen tier 0 naruto on tiktok so I dont think that place is meant to be taken seriously. I mean in serious vs debates the highest Ive seen saint seiya scaled is maybe 1-C or high 1-C at best
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so wait, what about his low 2-C scaling in classic? If classic shaka is 4-A then doesnt this mean seiya doesnt reach tier 2 until hades?
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The only 1-C stuff I’ve seen is people going “underworld beyond spacetime hyper dimension beyond underworld, elysium beyond hyper dimension therefore 7D”.
These people don’t actually scale the verse and don’t even know the best evidence and direct statements of actual higher dimensions in the verse.
We’ve uncomposited the Gold Saints so the classic Golds lose a lot of their better scaling.
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yeah thats a flimsy argument, iirc hades doesnt mention anything about creating the hyperdimension anyway.
damn, guess Z broly does statstomp shaka now. I'm guessing gods stay composited because of one god for the entire cosmology?
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Z Broky will kill Shaka and then spend the rest of his life crying he’s being bullied by a ghost constantly turning his senses off.
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Lol. Can shaka kill broly though? iirc if you kill a dbz toei character they just come back as a soul and can't be killed again
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If a soul dies in DBZ they cease to exist and cannot come back again. If a soul dies in StS they come back whenever Kurumada wants to make a new toy.
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really? why do the toei dbz characters have immortality while being dead? Did a CRT change it recently?
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I This is because they cannot die,they hold type 7 immortality, GT also mentions this
But enough about dragon ball in a general discussion of Saint Seiya
Hasty12345
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Not sure, Goku literally tells Vegeta that if he dies as a soul fighting Buu that Goku will never be able to revive him.
It’s a big narrative moment. If they’re supposed to be immortal, for any other reason than they can’t die of “natural causes”, it should be removed because Vegeta faces the possibility of dying to Buu buying Goku time to rejuvenate.
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so is the 2-B shaka stuff part of the high 1-B/low 1-A upgrades or is it separate? what's the alternative is the high 1-B doesn't go through? cuz after checking some old threads I saw low 1-A got rejected
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This is in canon where you only have type 1 immortality and you fight with your own soul but if you destroy the body created by Ema your soul is destroyed.
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Seems to me that the scans of souls not being able to die are just contradicted by the adaption of canon material.
Are the scans you sent from movies or DBZ filler?
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No, the scan i mentioned is from the Dragon Ball Z episodes, where Goku and Pikkon fight Cell and Frieza together, também é mencionado no GT e guias.
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That's filler tho
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Fillers are canon, it was created through Akira's ideas and draft.
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yeah some of them are but he was asking if it was from a filler scene
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Yes they are bro
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Honestly I could probably get the cosmology of the totality of the verse for Saint Seiya to 6D at minimum. There us plenty of support for it. The next highest that is less convincing and compelling would be up to 8D (probably 1-A now because Reality fiction difference changes)
Problem with the 6D argument though js currently there isn't anyone who scales to it. You could argue very few characters witg some hax might and range feats, but not any AP feats.
Best you could do is Argue ND chronos scaling to get there but that would require proving he scales to the whole totality of the cosmology
So, getting their Attack potency (AP) to 6D isn't near impossible atm
Problem with the 6D argument though js currently there isn't anyone who scales to it. You could argue very few characters witg some hax might and range feats, but not any AP feats.
Best you could do is Argue ND chronos scaling to get there but that would require proving he scales to the whole totality of the cosmology
So, getting their Attack potency (AP) to 6D isn't near impossible atm
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What about the 8D stuff? or 1-A as you called it
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Layered Reality fiction differences.
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lemme guess its from TLC? Isnt that non canon though?
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It's completely canon and written but Kurumada contrary to popular belief.
And that stuff js only 1 part of it
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really?? I thought Teshirogi did all the work. Doesn't next dimension retcon it?
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No, and that's where it becomes complicated and we get into hypertimelines lol
Because even ND isn't the true past of the classic.
Also teshirogi only assisted with its creation. That's because Akita shoten was pressuring kurumada to create more mamgas for the franchise and he can't multitask and onto kf that they were giving him unreasonable demands
So he requested assistance
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