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Saint Seiya Discussion Thread (IV)

Hasty12345 said:
My next thread will be the scaling thread, which will cover Golds, Mariner generals, and Specters.

Most of it will be uncontroversial, I very much expect it to devolve into a Saga vs Shaka debate. but there might be a couple of other hot takes.
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Saga has several quotes about being superior, huh?
 
AlexZiggy said:
Congrats to Hasty for finally kickstarting the long, arduous cleanup process the verse desperately needs. Looking forward to revamped profiles and verse page.
Soon Anti Pope Aiolos will become the strongest character in the verse
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Once he’s done, we can have GA seiya, with his transmutation, and GR, who’s a composite gold saint.
 
StekFence said:
YES! I don’t get how people still think shaka is stronger. (actually I do, but they are still wrong)
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Even in ND there are quotes about Saga being superior, no matter Saint Seiya's work, there will always be a quote stating that Saga is superior, just like in anime Saint Seiya: Soul of Gold (I always change the game for the anime, sorry for the mistake)
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Even in ND there are quotes about Saga being superior, no matter Saint Seiya's work, there will always be a quote stating that Saga is superior, just like in Saint Seiya Soldiers Soul
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Yes, Saga and Kanon are the strongest gold Saints.

The only exceptions are Dohko and Shion, but they are weaker than Cain.
 
Hasty12345 said:
Yes, Saga and Kanon are the strongest gold Saints.

The only exceptions are Dohko and Shion, but they are weaker than Cain.
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I would like Shaka and Saga to fight without outside help to see which one wins, because at times even I think Shaka is superior, but then Saga's quote comes and kills me with it
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
I would like Shaka and Saga to fight without outside help to see which one wins, because at times even I think Shaka is superior, but then Saga's quote comes and kills me with it
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Shaka more than likely wins with Tenbu Horin and his other powerful hax abilities. But his AP is weaker.
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Saint Seiya Soul of Gold Is it canon here? There I remember the golden ones easily surpass the speed of light.
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All anime content aside from some dialogue with Shaka that Kurumada worked on is its own continuity.
 
Hasty12345 said:
Shaka more than likely wins with Tenbu Horin and his other powerful hax abilities. But his AP is weaker.
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Have you thought? Saga with its galactic explosion
Hasty12345 said:
All anime content aside from some dialogue with Shaka that Kurumada worked on is its own continuity.
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I think the moment Kurama did something as good as this anime, he really should do this more often, it was like an isekai
 
StekFence said:
Uh, I don’t know actually. Oh yeah, and the Saintia sho anime retcons the eris movie.
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It makes total sense

I have to admit that this work didn't please me at all, I was waiting for a new anime for years and they did this, I think that might be why the anime was canceled
 
I do believe shaka to be above saga as I think he edges saga in almost every category. I have seen this being debated on multiple site and I don't believe that I have seen where saga is indeed superior to shaka. One of this character being superior to the other has always been questionable, but people tend to lean more toward shaka being superior.

I dk think this statement made by @Lancelot_de_Cancer comes into play here.

One fact in this part, the description of Taizen seems to be general, so it is likely that they are describing Shaka with the 8th sense, something that we don't know where in the story of the original manga he awakened or mastered this sense. Kurumada mentions in an interview in the middle of the Poseidon Arc that Shaka had awakened a higher sense and that this would be key to the story. And if we rely on Saintia Sho, it seems that he acquired it after the Sanctuary Arc and before the Poseidon Arc, where he gained a superior knowledge of existence.

Saga is stronger than Shaka before the 8th sense, but he surpassed the strength he had in the Sanctuary Arc after acquiring this sense, even Ikki (who fought Shaka in the Sanctuary Arc) considers that Shijima may be stronger than Shaka, but Shijima himself admits to being inferior to Shaka (even a fraction of Shaka equaled Shijima's power without problems) and that Shaka is the most powerful Virgo Saint of all time, the closest man to god that has ever existed.

The mention of Shaka as the Saint with the highest cosmos among the Gold Saints is not incorrect and neither is the mention of Saga as the strongest among the Gold Saints, but we must understand the context and where in the story they described these two characters in that way.
 
What tiers do bronze, silver and gold Saints scale to respectively?

I heard the Tier 6 bronze saint calc isn't valid or something?
 
StekFence said:
I scale bronzes from the phoenix cloth sinking a continent personally
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Do we have a calc for that feat?

Also, I think we should add "higher by burning Cosmo" to the tiers and stats of most characters, since burning your Cosmo is directly correlated to increasing your stats.
 
Qualities of a ConceptCheckX
Does it cause the properties of the objects which they dictate, based on the laws, how things work?✅❌
Does it change the nature of the property itself?✅❌
Is it a source of a property?✅❌
Does alterations to the objects affect the concept?✅❌
Is the ability in question an abstract essence, and Incorporeal?✅❌
Was every object affected by changes to it?✅❌
Is it independent of physical reality?✅❌

Perfect! I think I got what wanted from this
 
TheUnshakableOne said:
Qualities of a ConceptCheckX
Does it cause the properties of the objects which they dictate, based on the laws, how things work?✅❌
Does it change the nature of the property itself?✅❌
Is it a source of a property?✅❌
Does alterations to the objects affect the concept?✅❌
Is the ability in question an abstract essence, and Incorporeal?✅❌
Was every object affected by changes to it?✅❌
Is it independent of physical reality?✅❌

Perfect! I think I got what wanted from this
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What are you planning?
 
Welp, though about posting here when I seen the search had this result, but forgot to check if it's rather movimented of not

So...I wanna discuss the Shaka x Hashun stuff, still. You guys interested? Depending on how it goes, further in the verse-wide revision I can make a CRT of it again and gg
 
noninho said:
Welp, though about posting here when I seen the search had this result, but forgot to check if it's rather movimented of not

So...I wanna discuss the Shaka x Hashun stuff, still. You guys interested? Depending on how it goes, further in the verse-wide revision I can make a CRT of it again and gg
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Shaka in the Anime announced that the attack he was going to use on Shun-Hades was the Tenma Kōfuku
 
On the last te we discussed that, @Hasty12345 told me the anime is 100% non-canon when i brought up Hashun got surprised twice there...has it changed?
 
99% of anime adaptations should probably be considered non-canon.

I guess there would need tom be a Toeiverse classification
 
AllForOne said:
99% of anime adaptations should probably be considered non-canon.

I guess there would need tom be a Toeiverse classification
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There already is a canon blog regarding this which everything except the "higher senses", certain concepts pertaining to the inspiration for them, and basic cosmos powers is consider non canon to the manga and vice versa

vsbattles.fandom.com

TheUnshakableOne/sandbox

vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com
 
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