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Saint Seiya Discussion Thread (IV)
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With his own power, this is probably true. In ND it is also described that Cain is the strongest Gold Saint, even the attack of Ikki (full power) that could damage Thanatos' armor, could not do any damage to Cain.
With Divine Items (Sacred Treasures), Gestalt is the strongest Gold Saint, because he has the Arrow of the Goddess, a weapon of Athena that only this goddess can stop and can erase her target forever. It is also probably the most powerful weapon of the Saints and one of the most powerful Sacred Treasures of the universe of Saint Seiya.
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They are divine weapons. Theur actually apart of Saturn's true weapon
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No, Ikki's attack damages the entire armor of Thanatos. You can even see the damage of the armor in the second image.
That's right.
The swords of the 4 kings are Sacred Treasures and in the later chapters it is revealed that the swords were part of Saturn's divine weapon.
Galia also says that his sword could kill Athena and Titan tries to kill Athena with his destroyed sword, but Seiya protects her and stops the attack.
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An interesting detail.
The second season of Omega was the first series in the franchise to introduce the concept that a god can only be defeated or killed by divine items.
In the first episode of the second season we could see that Seiya needs to use the Golden Dagger (later renamed by Kruumada as Sword of Chrysus) to kill Pallas (baby), even when Seiya is the most powerful Gold Saint and has greater power than a weak goddess like Pallas (baby). Because no matter the power or abilities of a Saint or warrior in this franchise, a god can only die by the power of the Sacred Treasure or Divine Items.
A concept that Kurumada made canon for the main universe in Zero, where Shura indicates that Athena can resurrect after his attack, so the Gold Saints cannot kill the gods. Also in the last chapters of ND we could see that the Pope gives Ikki the Sword of Chrysus to kill a weakened Athena. And this concept is also mentioned in Saintia Sho and Dark Wing.
That is why the Sanctuary has sacred treasure to kill or defeat the gods, such as the Poison of Samael, the Arrow of the Goddess, the Sword of Chrysus, the Labyrinth of the Gods in the Temple of the Pope, etc.
The second season of Omega was the first series in the franchise to introduce the concept that a god can only be defeated or killed by divine items.
In the first episode of the second season we could see that Seiya needs to use the Golden Dagger (later renamed by Kruumada as Sword of Chrysus) to kill Pallas (baby), even when Seiya is the most powerful Gold Saint and has greater power than a weak goddess like Pallas (baby). Because no matter the power or abilities of a Saint or warrior in this franchise, a god can only die by the power of the Sacred Treasure or Divine Items.
A concept that Kurumada made canon for the main universe in Zero, where Shura indicates that Athena can resurrect after his attack, so the Gold Saints cannot kill the gods. Also in the last chapters of ND we could see that the Pope gives Ikki the Sword of Chrysus to kill a weakened Athena. And this concept is also mentioned in Saintia Sho and Dark Wing.
That is why the Sanctuary has sacred treasure to kill or defeat the gods, such as the Poison of Samael, the Arrow of the Goddess, the Sword of Chrysus, the Labyrinth of the Gods in the Temple of the Pope, etc.
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Is it my imagination or The Lost Canvas has more anti-feats than feats.
These are the best feats of TLC.
Hypnos summons a meteorite to attack and Hakurei stops the meteorite. Although this is probably an anti-feat, because Hakurei was seriously injured by a small meteorite.
Alone (one of the strongest characters in this universe, probably only weaker than Hades) elevates Italy and places it on the Lost Canvas.
Tenma returning Alone's energy destroys a part of the Lost Canvas. Although this feat has a problem, since it was Alone's energy that created the Lost Canvas, so he can dispel this place with his power.
In the final battle with Hades, the moon created by Alone is destroyed. However, this is also an anti-feat, because Tenma, Sasha and Alone died in the destruction of this small moon.
In addition, Italy was destroyed in the world of The Lost Canvas, in case it wasn't clear that this is a different universe from Kurumada's manga.
Tezcatlipocatl (a spaceship created by an alien civilization) destroys several mountains with an energy beam.
The power of the evil eye of Balor turns a sea into fire.
I didn't find any impressive speed feats, just the typical description of the speed of light by some Gold Saints.
After this, I can say that even Naruto has better feats than the manga of The lost canvas.
These are the best feats of TLC.
Hypnos summons a meteorite to attack and Hakurei stops the meteorite. Although this is probably an anti-feat, because Hakurei was seriously injured by a small meteorite.
Alone (one of the strongest characters in this universe, probably only weaker than Hades) elevates Italy and places it on the Lost Canvas.
Tenma returning Alone's energy destroys a part of the Lost Canvas. Although this feat has a problem, since it was Alone's energy that created the Lost Canvas, so he can dispel this place with his power.
In the final battle with Hades, the moon created by Alone is destroyed. However, this is also an anti-feat, because Tenma, Sasha and Alone died in the destruction of this small moon.
Tezcatlipocatl (a spaceship created by an alien civilization) destroys several mountains with an energy beam.
The power of the evil eye of Balor turns a sea into fire.
I didn't find any impressive speed feats, just the typical description of the speed of light by some Gold Saints.
After this, I can say that even Naruto has better feats than the manga of The lost canvas.
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Is it my imagination or The Lost Canvas has more anti-feats than feats.
These are the best feats of TLC.
Hypnos summons a meteorite to attack and Hakurei stops the meteorite. Although this is probably an anti-feat, because Hakurei was seriously injured by a small meteorite.
Alone (one of the strongest characters in this universe, probably only weaker than Hades) elevates Italy and places it on the Lost Canvas.
Tenma returning Alone's energy destroys a part of the Lost Canvas. Although this feat has a problem, since it was Alone's energy that created the Lost Canvas, so he can dispel this place with his power.
In the final battle with Hades, the moon created by Alone is destroyed. However, this is also an anti-feat, because Tenma, Sasha and Alone died in the destruction of this small moon.
In addition, Italy was destroyed in the world of The Lost Canvas, in case it wasn't clear that this is a different universe from Kurumada's manga.
Tezcatlipocatl (a spaceship created by an alien civilization) destroys several mountains with an energy beam.
The power of the evil eye of Balor turns a sea into fire.
I didn't find any impressive speed feats, just the typical description of the speed of light by some Gold Saints.
After this, I can say that even Naruto has better feats than the manga of The lost canvas.
I don't see how these are anti-feats.
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Gimme a moment i'll go ever the problems I have with the speed feats being used on Matts calc blog thingy
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Subject matter A.) - "The Saints Cross The Hyperdimension" (aka crossing the underworld Universes)
1.) The Underworld is made up of multiple "Worlds" a couple being stated to be "Infinite" in size. Crossing an infinite distance in finite time = Infinite Speed
2.) The Taizen directly states there is "Portals" that connects these "Worlds" in the underworld
3.) Time and space (Duration, and Distance) are distorted and "always in flux" within the super dimensional space. That is a straight up immeasurable speed feat no matter how you look at it.
4.) By current standards of VSBW the Underworld Cosmology is accepted as 2-C therefore the Universes MUST be infinite in 3D size.
Subject B.) Hecate Crossing 1000 Light Years
1.) This is vague asf. It's not stated how she returned. Did she teleport back? Was it really through speed? Did she used portal creation? was she really blown back 1000 light years? Simply not enough information
2.) Timeframe; The gods are accepted as "MFTL" with "MFTL" reaction with a 7th sense shun around them. So the timeframe to use becomes iffy.
Subject C.) Ikki Vs Shaka: A monkey in Buddha's Hand
This one is my favorite
1.) This was a freaking illusion lmao.
2.) This is an outlier. This was before 7th sense Ikki
3.) Shaka states he ran to a "Nayuta" so 10^60th light years. so alread the calc is super lowballed
Subject D.) Shun's Nebula Chain Crossing Saga's Another Dimension
1.) The chain is pure hax. It has Portal creation hax + Time and Space Hax
2.) The chains speed varies. For example, it didn't listen to shun at first and reacted on its own to Ikki, but ikki reacted to it. Does that make pre-7th sense Ikki MFTL now? That would really convult the scaling
Subject E.) Saints Exchange Attacks from Universes Away (Aiolos in Assassins vs Saga, Shura, Deathmask, Kanon, Rhad etc.)
1.) 2-A Cosmology issues here. The distance between the Universes is never shown or stated. This would end up making it an infinite speed attack and reactions. The Multiverse is infinite with the universes in the multiverse being infinite as well (3D space being infinite)
2.) You could argue portal creation hax here which basically throws the speed feat out the window too
Subject F.) Eris Pulls Souls to the Edge of the Universe
1.) Universe is infinite. "Edge of an infinite universe" that makes this another infinite speed feat
2.) would end up yielding a high 3-A feat too "edge of infinity" and you can see that explosion like a second sun. Would be interesting to calc though. It is probably possible. Might end up doing that one day for fun.
Subject G.) Thanatos Attacks From Cross-Universal Distances
1.) Again Super Dimensional Space issues - Which is blatant immeasurable speed
2.) 2-A cosmology issues - Which makes it an infinite speed feat
3.) The universe being infinite in size (3D space) still makes it infinite speed
4.) Portal creation hax to open a portal and shoot an attack thorugh would throw the calc out of the window but that is clearly not the case with context
Subject H.) Poseidon Telekinetically Sends the Gold Cloths
1.) Immeasurable speed feat and reaction feat - Super Dimensional Space Again.
2.) 2-A Cosmology issues again - makes this infinite speed
3.) Universes (Low 2-C Worlds) so 3D space is infinite in each world. Makes this infinite at least
4.) Obviously not portal creation hax
Subject H.) Capricorn Shura Surpassing the Initial Big Bang Inflation
This one is my ******* favorite to nitpick
1.) Cosmic inflation is super facking lowballed. The distance being used is simply not usable. the value is too low to achieve the wonders this universe has today
2.) There is 2 very different big bangs in the saint seiya universe. 1 for Low 2-C Universes. 1 for the Macrocosmo.
3.) 1 would result in infinite speed since he is out running the creation of inifnite distance with time, and the other is immeasurable outrunning the creation of history
4.) this is facking miracles at work lol
What isn't calc? the "Bullet dodging" feats of dodging light speed punches in less than 10 meters apart fights.
This is just a short summary.
1.) The Underworld is made up of multiple "Worlds" a couple being stated to be "Infinite" in size. Crossing an infinite distance in finite time = Infinite Speed
2.) The Taizen directly states there is "Portals" that connects these "Worlds" in the underworld
3.) Time and space (Duration, and Distance) are distorted and "always in flux" within the super dimensional space. That is a straight up immeasurable speed feat no matter how you look at it.
4.) By current standards of VSBW the Underworld Cosmology is accepted as 2-C therefore the Universes MUST be infinite in 3D size.
Subject B.) Hecate Crossing 1000 Light Years
1.) This is vague asf. It's not stated how she returned. Did she teleport back? Was it really through speed? Did she used portal creation? was she really blown back 1000 light years? Simply not enough information
2.) Timeframe; The gods are accepted as "MFTL" with "MFTL" reaction with a 7th sense shun around them. So the timeframe to use becomes iffy.
Subject C.) Ikki Vs Shaka: A monkey in Buddha's Hand
This one is my favorite
1.) This was a freaking illusion lmao.
2.) This is an outlier. This was before 7th sense Ikki
3.) Shaka states he ran to a "Nayuta" so 10^60th light years. so alread the calc is super lowballed
Subject D.) Shun's Nebula Chain Crossing Saga's Another Dimension
1.) The chain is pure hax. It has Portal creation hax + Time and Space Hax
2.) The chains speed varies. For example, it didn't listen to shun at first and reacted on its own to Ikki, but ikki reacted to it. Does that make pre-7th sense Ikki MFTL now? That would really convult the scaling
Subject E.) Saints Exchange Attacks from Universes Away (Aiolos in Assassins vs Saga, Shura, Deathmask, Kanon, Rhad etc.)
1.) 2-A Cosmology issues here. The distance between the Universes is never shown or stated. This would end up making it an infinite speed attack and reactions. The Multiverse is infinite with the universes in the multiverse being infinite as well (3D space being infinite)
2.) You could argue portal creation hax here which basically throws the speed feat out the window too
Subject F.) Eris Pulls Souls to the Edge of the Universe
1.) Universe is infinite. "Edge of an infinite universe" that makes this another infinite speed feat
2.) would end up yielding a high 3-A feat too "edge of infinity" and you can see that explosion like a second sun. Would be interesting to calc though. It is probably possible. Might end up doing that one day for fun.
Subject G.) Thanatos Attacks From Cross-Universal Distances
1.) Again Super Dimensional Space issues - Which is blatant immeasurable speed
2.) 2-A cosmology issues - Which makes it an infinite speed feat
3.) The universe being infinite in size (3D space) still makes it infinite speed
4.) Portal creation hax to open a portal and shoot an attack thorugh would throw the calc out of the window but that is clearly not the case with context
Subject H.) Poseidon Telekinetically Sends the Gold Cloths
1.) Immeasurable speed feat and reaction feat - Super Dimensional Space Again.
2.) 2-A Cosmology issues again - makes this infinite speed
3.) Universes (Low 2-C Worlds) so 3D space is infinite in each world. Makes this infinite at least
4.) Obviously not portal creation hax
Subject H.) Capricorn Shura Surpassing the Initial Big Bang Inflation
This one is my ******* favorite to nitpick
1.) Cosmic inflation is super facking lowballed. The distance being used is simply not usable. the value is too low to achieve the wonders this universe has today
2.) There is 2 very different big bangs in the saint seiya universe. 1 for Low 2-C Universes. 1 for the Macrocosmo.
3.) 1 would result in infinite speed since he is out running the creation of inifnite distance with time, and the other is immeasurable outrunning the creation of history
4.) this is facking miracles at work lol
What isn't calc? the "Bullet dodging" feats of dodging light speed punches in less than 10 meters apart fights.
This is just a short summary.
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For characters that are 3-A or 2-C on their pages, taking serious damage to their body from a small meteor or dying in the destruction of a small moon is an anti-feat.
There's also the fact that The Lost Canvas doesn't have any 3-A or 1-C feats in its history. The best feat is probably just 5-C for Hades and Alone who are the strongest characters in this universe.
The problem with this feat is that Aioros is not in another universe, he is in the same universe and attacks from his planet that orbits around the Earth of that universe. And the Saints who received that attack have not yet reached the Underworld.
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Not exactly
1.) Context. Subjective reality hax was involved with this feat
2.) This is a common trope. That trope is also most prevalent in American comics. It's simply called PIS.
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As for the speed feat debate. There is still the issue of "how far/distance" and they are indeed in the underworld of Yomotsu hirasaka that os directly stated.
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Tbf, these meteors are created and intended to be weapons. Its not nessecarily a meteor level ap. But you could easily chalk it up to pis i suppose.
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Context, it only uses an ability to summon a small meteorite without any special characteristics.
PIS applies when the character has other more impressive feats in his series, something that doesn't work like that in this manga, where the best feat is probably only 5-C by the most powerful character.
This is why it is an impossible feat to calculate, because we do not know the distance between the Yomotsu and Earth, and the manga presents this place as a different plane of existence, a world between life and death.
The problem is that the characters never describe this meteorite as special and only describe it as a simple meteorite.
Also, there are no other more impressive feats by these characters, to indicate that this is PIS.
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it would end with infinite or immeasurable speed though due cosmology of the verse.
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can i make an upgrade CRT
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you could try.
I recommend you put things in a google doc first to make a rough draft. Make a well organized and detailed CRT helps a lot
it would need to be an Upgrade and a Downgrade at the same time though
I just want to clarify im still sorting out the speed feats in the verse but im not in a good space irl to do anything big or major.
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I too recommend making sure it's all very organised and if you use a google docs, it would be much appreciated if you let some of us check it out before making a CRT.
Infinite and immeasurable speed threads almost always go down in flames, so it's best we make sure we got the arguments well vetted before attempting such an upgrade.
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The problem is that we don't know the distance between the Yomotsu and Earth in Assassin, so it's an incalculable feat, plus it doesn't even seem like a speed feat to be honest. Only in Saintia Sho is it explained that they can reach the Yomotsu Hirasaka by traveling to the edge of the universe, because it seems they can reach other dimensions there.
Saintia Sho Stage 77
P24 Phobos: DEFIANT VORTEX
P25
Erda: I am... Lost in Space...
Erda: For how long... Have I been here...........?
Erda: Thanks to the Moon Hagoromo... I can still breath for a while...
Erda: I'm too far, I can't see the Eden... Nor the Moon and the Sun...
Erda: ............ I can't go back...
Erda: Breathing is getting harder...
Erda: ... Sorry, girls... Lady Athena...
Erda: I................ can't.........
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Deathmask: What's up, brat?...
Deathmask: Wanna tell me something, huh? With that face...
Elda: Death... Mask...?
P27
Deathmask: This place is connected to Yomotsu Hirasaka
Deathmask: Your life ends at the ends of the universe
Deathmask: But if you want, I can send you the hole at Yomotsu, you'll be more confortable... What do you say? Huhuhu...
Erda: Cut.. the jokes...
Erda: That's... right..
Erda: I'd rather die... than ask you... a favor...
Erda: If I die here... This bastard will laugh out loud...
Deathmask: Khukhu... Ohh?
Deathmask: So just keep trying to resist... Khukhu You can't... die now!!
Erda: What's this... light? Erda: It's dazzling...
P28
Erda: Uh... Ryuthos: ... You're alive!?
Ryuthos: What a relief!!
Erda: ...... Who's this!?
Who's the young man who came to her rescue!?
Deathmask: Your life ends at the ends of the universe (お前の命は宇宙の果てで尽きかけてるぜ)
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A user of cvz is reviewing and translating the Taizen in Portuguese.
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It's interesting how well explained the concept of the Specters is, which makes you wonder how Shiori could get it so wrong in TLC.
Specters are not sealed souls or reincarnations, they are only humans who were chosen by the Evil Stars, who awakened in their soul the knowledge and power of the Specters. In short, it is the Evil Stars and the Surplice that give the Specters their power.
In the Tower they never sealed souls and only sealed the Evil Stars.
Also, this confirms why Athena and the Saints don't just destroy the souls (or the silly concept of TLC where they seal their souls) of the Specters, as this doesn't matter, since Hades can choose new candidates for the Specters. As it happens in Dark Wing, where they destroyed the Underworld and eliminated many souls and Specters in that place, and Hades only chose new users for the Evil Stars and Surplices.
Taizen:
冥闘士の上位に位置するふたりの神、ヒュプノスとタナトスが冥闘士を捨て駒程度に見下しているのは、冥衣によって作られる冥闘士の素性を知っているからであった。彼らにしてみれば、冥闘士が全滅しても、再度、魔星に選ばれた者に冥衣を与えれば、戦力を無限に補充できるのである。
Hypnos e Thanatos, dois deuses superiores aos Specters, desprezam os Specters como se fossem buchas de canhão, pois sabem que os Specters nascem das Surplices. Para eles, mesmo que todos os Specters sejam eliminados, suas tropas podem ser repostas infinitamente, pois os Surplices podem ser dados a outros que são eleitos pelas Estrelas Malignas.
This also explains what was presented in Next Dimension with Suikyo, where Pandora chose him as Garuda's Specter and gave him the Surplice of Garuda and the Evil Star of Valiance. Because Hades, Hypnos, Thanatos, Ker and Pandora can choose any human to carry the Surplice and the Evil Star, the human does not matter.
This part is interesting.
ハーデスの支配する冥界は、アテナをはじめ、他の神々の力が及ばない世界であり、唯一、冥王からその存在が許された者、つまり冥闘士しか活動することが許されない。そのために他の勢力から攻め込まれることがなく、神話の時代から他の勢力の侵入を阻んできた鉄壁の守りを誇っていたのだ(だが、今度の聖戦では黄金聖闘士・乙女座のシャカは、阿頼耶識を発現させることで冥界に侵攻する手段を見出す)。このため、幾度となく戦いを繰り広げながらもアテナは、その冥界の戦力を根絶やしにすることができなかったのだ。
O Submundo governado por Hades é um mundo inatingível pelo poder dos outros deuses, inclusive Athena. Somente aqueles que foram autorizados pelo Imperador das Trevas podem agir livremente, ou seja, apenas como Specters. Portanto, sem ser atacado por outras forças, orgulhavam-se da proteção intransponível que impedia a invasão de outras forças desde a Era Mitológica (no entanto, nesta Guerra Santa, o Cavaleiro de Ouro Shaka de Virgo encontrou uma maneira de invadir o Submundo manifestando o alaya-vijnana).
The Underworld is described as an unreachable place even for the power of the gods. In the manga, Athena needs to awaken the Eighth Sense (thanks to Shaka's message) to enter the Underworld.
This makes me wonder if the gods have the Eighth Sense, or is this a sense that only humans can awaken. And Athena can only awaken the Eighth Sense, because she is a goddess who reincarnated as a human.
Athena in the past could never invade the Underworld (world of the dead), that's why she could never destroy the body of Hades and end the holy war forever, because the god hid his body in the Elyseum. This means that Athena with only the power she possesses as a goddess could never enter the Underworld (a place unreachable even for the power of the gods), and she needed to awaken the Eighth Sense to enter that place.
In Kurumada's manga it is never mentioned that the gods awaken any sense, they are beings of great power because they are gods, they do not need to awaken any sense to obtain their powers, because they are born as beings superior to humans. The concept of senses was always something exclusive to humans.
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冥王と冥闘士
前聖戦において、アテナの聖闘士たちを苦しめた黒き闘士。それが冥闘士だ!
243年前に封印された、冥王ハーデスとその軍団。前聖戦における冥闘士と聖闘士の戦いは熾烈を極め、この戦いで多くの聖闘士がその命を落としており、わずか2名の黄金聖闘士しか生き延びることができなかったという…。
▼冥王の戦士は、みな冥衣と呼ばれる漆黒のプロテクターをその体に装着する。
たとえ聖闘士といえども、その命は永遠ではないことは既に前の項で述べているが、実王の軍団に関しては、その常識は当てはまらない。死者の国である冥界を治めるハーデスは、己の国の住人たちに肉体を与えることができるからだ。ハーデスの軍団に関しては、死という概念は存在せず、戦いにおいては相討ちとなることも辞さない者が多い。それゆえにその軍団は、他に類を見ない強力な力を獲得するに至っている。
ハーデスの支配する冥界は、アテナをはじめ、他の神々の力が及ばない世界であり、唯一、冥王からその存在が許された者、つまり冥闘士しか活動することが許されない。そのために他の勢力から攻め込まれることがなく、神話の時代から他の勢力の侵入を阻んできた鉄壁の守りを誇っていたのだ(だが、今度の聖戦では黄金聖闘士・乙女座のシャカは、阿頼耶識を発現させることで冥界に侵攻する手段を見出す)。このため、幾度となく戦いを繰り広げながらもアテナは、その冥界の戦力を根絶やしにすることができなかったのだ。
前聖戦においてアテナの聖闘士たちは、その総力をあげて冥王の軍団を封印した。しかし、この封印は決して完璧なものではなく、やがてその封印が効力を失う日が来ることは明らかであった。
そこで、生き残った二人の黄金聖闘士のうちのひとり、天秤座の童虎は、先代アテナより神々の秘法とされる仮死の法を受け、五老峰に留まり封印の塔を監視することになる。
双子座のサガの乱、それに続く海皇ポセイドンの覚醒など、度重なる騒乱はアテナの封印の効力を弱め、ついにその封印が解ける日が訪れる。
この封印の塔に封じられていた百八の魔星は、世界各地へと散って冥闘士として選ばれた者の魂を呼び覚ますのである。
冥闘士としての魂を取り戻した者には、冥衣と呼ばれるプロテクターが与えられる。
冥衣とは、その名の通り、冥闘士がまとう防具で、漆黒の輝きを宿しているのが特徴である。冥闘士は、 この冥衣を装着することによって、特別に高い小宇宙に目覚めずとも冥界と地上界とを自在に行き来することができるのだ。
また、冥衣は、その魔星によって選ばれるため、聖闘士のような超絶的な修行も、海闘士のような天性の資質も必要としない。それは、魔星に見出された者、 つまり、衣が装着者の体へ直接的に働きかけ、聖衣に合わせた体質へと変換させる特性を有しているからだ。言い換えるのならば、冥闘士とは、冥衣を機能させるための触媒であり、冥衣に着られているということもできる。この装着者の肉体を変化させる特性は、時として、パピヨンのミューのように装着者を人ならざる者に変化させることもあるようだ。
瞬時に黄金聖闘士に匹敵する戦士を百八人も生み出す冥王の恐るべき奸計は、それだけにとどまらない。地上のハーデス城の周囲に結界を張ることで、聖闘士の力を抑制し、確実に勝利するための布陣を張っていたのだ。この結界内ならば、たとえ黄金聖闘士であっても、冥闘士の敵ではないのだ。ラダマンティスに対して一矢も報いることなく3人の黄金聖闘士が生きながら地獄へと落とされたのは、至極当然の結果と言えよう。
冥闘士の上位に位置するふたりの神、ヒュプノスとタナトスが冥闘士を捨て駒程度に見下しているのは、冥衣によって作られる冥闘士の素性を知っているからであった。彼らにしてみれば、冥闘士が全滅しても、再度、魔星に選ばれた者に冥衣を与えれば、戦力を無限に補充できるのである。
また、 いざとなれば、自分たちが出向くことで、すべての問題を解決できるという絶対の自信があったことも少なからず影響している。
▲冥闘士の魂を封じ込めた巨大な塔は、五老峰の西方、およそ千キロの地点にある秘境に存在する。
冥王の統治する冥界、すなわち地獄には、第二獄のケルベロスのように、神話の時代より伝えられる魔物、怪物たちが今日においても生き長らえている。
結界によって、命あるものすべてを絶するハーデス城。地上で唯一冥界への入り口がある場所。
冥王の肉体が眠る神殿
冥王は、自分の美しい肉体に傷がつくのを極端に恐れており、魂を分離させた後は、肉体をエリシオンの奥にある神殿の中に安置している。
冥王に仕える二人の神
冥界の軍団は、実質的には冥王を含め、この双子の神とのわずか3人から成り立っており、その戦力は一軍にも匹敵する。
前聖戦において、アテナの聖闘士たちを苦しめた黒き闘士。それが冥闘士だ!
243年前に封印された、冥王ハーデスとその軍団。前聖戦における冥闘士と聖闘士の戦いは熾烈を極め、この戦いで多くの聖闘士がその命を落としており、わずか2名の黄金聖闘士しか生き延びることができなかったという…。
▼冥王の戦士は、みな冥衣と呼ばれる漆黒のプロテクターをその体に装着する。
たとえ聖闘士といえども、その命は永遠ではないことは既に前の項で述べているが、実王の軍団に関しては、その常識は当てはまらない。死者の国である冥界を治めるハーデスは、己の国の住人たちに肉体を与えることができるからだ。ハーデスの軍団に関しては、死という概念は存在せず、戦いにおいては相討ちとなることも辞さない者が多い。それゆえにその軍団は、他に類を見ない強力な力を獲得するに至っている。
ハーデスの支配する冥界は、アテナをはじめ、他の神々の力が及ばない世界であり、唯一、冥王からその存在が許された者、つまり冥闘士しか活動することが許されない。そのために他の勢力から攻め込まれることがなく、神話の時代から他の勢力の侵入を阻んできた鉄壁の守りを誇っていたのだ(だが、今度の聖戦では黄金聖闘士・乙女座のシャカは、阿頼耶識を発現させることで冥界に侵攻する手段を見出す)。このため、幾度となく戦いを繰り広げながらもアテナは、その冥界の戦力を根絶やしにすることができなかったのだ。
前聖戦においてアテナの聖闘士たちは、その総力をあげて冥王の軍団を封印した。しかし、この封印は決して完璧なものではなく、やがてその封印が効力を失う日が来ることは明らかであった。
そこで、生き残った二人の黄金聖闘士のうちのひとり、天秤座の童虎は、先代アテナより神々の秘法とされる仮死の法を受け、五老峰に留まり封印の塔を監視することになる。
双子座のサガの乱、それに続く海皇ポセイドンの覚醒など、度重なる騒乱はアテナの封印の効力を弱め、ついにその封印が解ける日が訪れる。
この封印の塔に封じられていた百八の魔星は、世界各地へと散って冥闘士として選ばれた者の魂を呼び覚ますのである。
冥闘士としての魂を取り戻した者には、冥衣と呼ばれるプロテクターが与えられる。
冥衣とは、その名の通り、冥闘士がまとう防具で、漆黒の輝きを宿しているのが特徴である。冥闘士は、 この冥衣を装着することによって、特別に高い小宇宙に目覚めずとも冥界と地上界とを自在に行き来することができるのだ。
また、冥衣は、その魔星によって選ばれるため、聖闘士のような超絶的な修行も、海闘士のような天性の資質も必要としない。それは、魔星に見出された者、 つまり、衣が装着者の体へ直接的に働きかけ、聖衣に合わせた体質へと変換させる特性を有しているからだ。言い換えるのならば、冥闘士とは、冥衣を機能させるための触媒であり、冥衣に着られているということもできる。この装着者の肉体を変化させる特性は、時として、パピヨンのミューのように装着者を人ならざる者に変化させることもあるようだ。
瞬時に黄金聖闘士に匹敵する戦士を百八人も生み出す冥王の恐るべき奸計は、それだけにとどまらない。地上のハーデス城の周囲に結界を張ることで、聖闘士の力を抑制し、確実に勝利するための布陣を張っていたのだ。この結界内ならば、たとえ黄金聖闘士であっても、冥闘士の敵ではないのだ。ラダマンティスに対して一矢も報いることなく3人の黄金聖闘士が生きながら地獄へと落とされたのは、至極当然の結果と言えよう。
冥闘士の上位に位置するふたりの神、ヒュプノスとタナトスが冥闘士を捨て駒程度に見下しているのは、冥衣によって作られる冥闘士の素性を知っているからであった。彼らにしてみれば、冥闘士が全滅しても、再度、魔星に選ばれた者に冥衣を与えれば、戦力を無限に補充できるのである。
また、 いざとなれば、自分たちが出向くことで、すべての問題を解決できるという絶対の自信があったことも少なからず影響している。
▲冥闘士の魂を封じ込めた巨大な塔は、五老峰の西方、およそ千キロの地点にある秘境に存在する。
冥王の統治する冥界、すなわち地獄には、第二獄のケルベロスのように、神話の時代より伝えられる魔物、怪物たちが今日においても生き長らえている。
結界によって、命あるものすべてを絶するハーデス城。地上で唯一冥界への入り口がある場所。
冥王の肉体が眠る神殿
冥王は、自分の美しい肉体に傷がつくのを極端に恐れており、魂を分離させた後は、肉体をエリシオンの奥にある神殿の中に安置している。
冥王に仕える二人の神
冥界の軍団は、実質的には冥王を含め、この双子の神とのわずか3人から成り立っており、その戦力は一軍にも匹敵する。
In Portuguese:
Hades e os Specters
Na Guerra Santa Anterior, malignos guerreiros atormentaram os Saints de Athena - eles são os Specters!
O Imperador das Trevas Hades e seu exército foram selados há 243 anos. No fim da violenta Guerra Santa Anterior contra os Specters, muitos Saints perderam suas vidas em batalha e pelo que se sabe somente 2 Saints de Ouro sobreviveram...
Os Guerreiros de Hades vestem protetores de azeviche chamados de Surplices.
Como mencionado anteriormente, a vida não é eterna, mesmo para um Saint, mas em relação ao exército de Hades essa regra não se aplica. Hades governa o Submundo, a terra dos mortos, e por isso pode conceder um corpo para os habitantes da sua região. Para o exército de Hades o conceito de morte não existe e por isso são tão destemidos nas batalhas.
O Submundo governado por Hades é um mundo inatingível pelo poder dos outros deuses, inclusive Athena. Somente aqueles que foram autorizados pelo Imperador das Trevas podem agir livremente, ou seja, apenas como Specters. Portanto, sem ser atacado por outras forças, orgulhavam-se da proteção intransponível que impedia a invasão de outras forças desde a Era Mitológica (no entanto, nesta Guerra Santa, o Cavaleiro de Ouro Shaka de Virgo encontrou uma maneira de invadir o Submundo manifestando o alaya-vijnana).
Na Guerra Santa Anterior, os Saints de Athena usaram todas as suas forças para selar o exército de Hades na Torre dos Selos. Contudo, esse selo não era completamente perfeito e era evidente que chegaria o dia em que perderia seu efeito.
Então, Dohko de Libra, um dos 2 Saints de Ouro que sobreviveram, recebeu da Athena antecessora um processo secreto dos deuses: a Lei da Morte Aparente, ficando em Wulaofeng monitorando a Torre dos Selos.
O caos contínuo com a rebelião de Saga de Gemini, seguida pelo despertar do Imperador do Mar Poseidon, enfraqueceram a eficácia dos selos de Atena, culminando no dia que os selos foram desfeitos.
As 108 Estrelas Malignas que estavam seladas na Torre dos Selos se espalharam pelo mundo, despertando as almas dos escolhidos como Specters.
Para aquele que recupera sua alma como um Specter, é dado um protetor chamado Surplice. O Surplice, como o nome sugere, é a proteção que o Specter veste e possui o característico brilho do azeviche. Equipado com essa Surplice, ele pode livremente ir e vir entre o Submundo e a superfície terrestre sem precisar despertar um Cosmo particularmente alto.
Além disso, por ser uma escolha da Estrela Maligna, o usuário do Surplice não necessita de um treinamento transcendental como os Saints ou possuir talento natural como um Marina. Isso é, para quem é selecionado por uma Estrela Maligna, a vestimenta atua diretamente no corpo do portador, pois tem a peculiaridade de transformar sua forma física em algo que combine com o Surplice*. Em outras palavras, o Specter, para ser capaz de vestir o Surplice, deve possuir o efeito catalisador das atribuições do Surplice. Essa característica especial de transformação do corpo do usuário, em alguns casos, pode transformá-lo em algo não humano, como aconteceu com o Myu de Papillon.
*No original japonês está escrito Cloth.
O terrível plano do Imperador das Trevas não para na criação instantânea de 108 guerreiros comparáveis aos Saints de Ouro. Ao espalhar uma barreira nos arredores do Castelo de Hades na Terra, que restringe o poder dos Saints, ele preparou um campo de guerra para a vitória certa. Dentro dessa barreira nem mesmo os Saints de Ouro são oponentes para os Specters. Por isso é compreensível que Radamanthys tenha jogado 3 Saints de Ouro vivos no inferno sem que eles pudessem revidar um único golpe.
Hypnos e Thanatos, dois deuses superiores aos Specters, desprezam os Specters como se fossem buchas de canhão, pois sabem que os Specters nascem das Surplices. Para eles, mesmo que todos os Specters sejam eliminados, suas tropas podem ser repostas infinitamente, pois os Surplices podem ser dados a outros que são eleitos pelas Estrelas Malignas. Além disso, ambos tinham confiança absoluta de que poderiam resolver todos os problemas, caso fosse necessário.
A enorme torre que confinava a alma dos Specters fica cerca de 1 mil quilômetros de distância a oeste de Wulaofeng, numa região inexplorada.
No submundo governado pelo Imperador das Trevas, ou seja, no inferno, vivem muitos monstros como o Cérbero da Segunda Prisão, um demônio da Era Mitológica.
O Castelo de Hades, onde todas as coisas vivas são isoladas pela barreira. Único local na Terra onde há uma entrada para o Submundo.
Os dois deuses que servem Hades
O exército do submundo consiste basicamente de apenas 3 pessoas: os dois deuses gêmeos e Hades. A força deles é equiparável a de um exército inteiro.
O Templo onde dorme o corpo do Imperador das Trevas
Hades, com receio de que seu belo corpo fosse ferido, depois de separá-lo de sua alma, escondeu no Templo que fica no interior Elísios.
Na Guerra Santa Anterior, malignos guerreiros atormentaram os Saints de Athena - eles são os Specters!
O Imperador das Trevas Hades e seu exército foram selados há 243 anos. No fim da violenta Guerra Santa Anterior contra os Specters, muitos Saints perderam suas vidas em batalha e pelo que se sabe somente 2 Saints de Ouro sobreviveram...
Os Guerreiros de Hades vestem protetores de azeviche chamados de Surplices.
Como mencionado anteriormente, a vida não é eterna, mesmo para um Saint, mas em relação ao exército de Hades essa regra não se aplica. Hades governa o Submundo, a terra dos mortos, e por isso pode conceder um corpo para os habitantes da sua região. Para o exército de Hades o conceito de morte não existe e por isso são tão destemidos nas batalhas.
O Submundo governado por Hades é um mundo inatingível pelo poder dos outros deuses, inclusive Athena. Somente aqueles que foram autorizados pelo Imperador das Trevas podem agir livremente, ou seja, apenas como Specters. Portanto, sem ser atacado por outras forças, orgulhavam-se da proteção intransponível que impedia a invasão de outras forças desde a Era Mitológica (no entanto, nesta Guerra Santa, o Cavaleiro de Ouro Shaka de Virgo encontrou uma maneira de invadir o Submundo manifestando o alaya-vijnana).
Na Guerra Santa Anterior, os Saints de Athena usaram todas as suas forças para selar o exército de Hades na Torre dos Selos. Contudo, esse selo não era completamente perfeito e era evidente que chegaria o dia em que perderia seu efeito.
Então, Dohko de Libra, um dos 2 Saints de Ouro que sobreviveram, recebeu da Athena antecessora um processo secreto dos deuses: a Lei da Morte Aparente, ficando em Wulaofeng monitorando a Torre dos Selos.
O caos contínuo com a rebelião de Saga de Gemini, seguida pelo despertar do Imperador do Mar Poseidon, enfraqueceram a eficácia dos selos de Atena, culminando no dia que os selos foram desfeitos.
As 108 Estrelas Malignas que estavam seladas na Torre dos Selos se espalharam pelo mundo, despertando as almas dos escolhidos como Specters.
Para aquele que recupera sua alma como um Specter, é dado um protetor chamado Surplice. O Surplice, como o nome sugere, é a proteção que o Specter veste e possui o característico brilho do azeviche. Equipado com essa Surplice, ele pode livremente ir e vir entre o Submundo e a superfície terrestre sem precisar despertar um Cosmo particularmente alto.
Além disso, por ser uma escolha da Estrela Maligna, o usuário do Surplice não necessita de um treinamento transcendental como os Saints ou possuir talento natural como um Marina. Isso é, para quem é selecionado por uma Estrela Maligna, a vestimenta atua diretamente no corpo do portador, pois tem a peculiaridade de transformar sua forma física em algo que combine com o Surplice*. Em outras palavras, o Specter, para ser capaz de vestir o Surplice, deve possuir o efeito catalisador das atribuições do Surplice. Essa característica especial de transformação do corpo do usuário, em alguns casos, pode transformá-lo em algo não humano, como aconteceu com o Myu de Papillon.
*No original japonês está escrito Cloth.
O terrível plano do Imperador das Trevas não para na criação instantânea de 108 guerreiros comparáveis aos Saints de Ouro. Ao espalhar uma barreira nos arredores do Castelo de Hades na Terra, que restringe o poder dos Saints, ele preparou um campo de guerra para a vitória certa. Dentro dessa barreira nem mesmo os Saints de Ouro são oponentes para os Specters. Por isso é compreensível que Radamanthys tenha jogado 3 Saints de Ouro vivos no inferno sem que eles pudessem revidar um único golpe.
Hypnos e Thanatos, dois deuses superiores aos Specters, desprezam os Specters como se fossem buchas de canhão, pois sabem que os Specters nascem das Surplices. Para eles, mesmo que todos os Specters sejam eliminados, suas tropas podem ser repostas infinitamente, pois os Surplices podem ser dados a outros que são eleitos pelas Estrelas Malignas. Além disso, ambos tinham confiança absoluta de que poderiam resolver todos os problemas, caso fosse necessário.
A enorme torre que confinava a alma dos Specters fica cerca de 1 mil quilômetros de distância a oeste de Wulaofeng, numa região inexplorada.
No submundo governado pelo Imperador das Trevas, ou seja, no inferno, vivem muitos monstros como o Cérbero da Segunda Prisão, um demônio da Era Mitológica.
O Castelo de Hades, onde todas as coisas vivas são isoladas pela barreira. Único local na Terra onde há uma entrada para o Submundo.
Os dois deuses que servem Hades
O exército do submundo consiste basicamente de apenas 3 pessoas: os dois deuses gêmeos e Hades. A força deles é equiparável a de um exército inteiro.
O Templo onde dorme o corpo do Imperador das Trevas
Hades, com receio de que seu belo corpo fosse ferido, depois de separá-lo de sua alma, escondeu no Templo que fica no interior Elísios.
It's interesting how well explained the concept of the Specters is, which makes you wonder how Shiori could get it so wrong in TLC.
Specters are not sealed souls or reincarnations, they are only humans who were chosen by the Evil Stars, who awakened in their soul the knowledge and power of the Specters. In short, it is the Evil Stars and the Surplice that give the Specters their power.
In the Tower they never sealed souls and only sealed the Evil Stars.
Also, this confirms why Athena and the Saints don't just destroy the souls (or the silly concept of TLC where they seal their souls) of the Specters, as this doesn't matter, since Hades can choose new candidates for the Specters. As it happens in Dark Wing, where they destroyed the Underworld and eliminated many souls and Specters in that place, and Hades only chose new users for the Evil Stars and Surplices.
Taizen:
冥闘士の上位に位置するふたりの神、ヒュプノスとタナトスが冥闘士を捨て駒程度に見下しているのは、冥衣によって作られる冥闘士の素性を知っているからであった。彼らにしてみれば、冥闘士が全滅しても、再度、魔星に選ばれた者に冥衣を与えれば、戦力を無限に補充できるのである。
Hypnos e Thanatos, dois deuses superiores aos Specters, desprezam os Specters como se fossem buchas de canhão, pois sabem que os Specters nascem das Surplices. Para eles, mesmo que todos os Specters sejam eliminados, suas tropas podem ser repostas infinitamente, pois os Surplices podem ser dados a outros que são eleitos pelas Estrelas Malignas.
This also explains what was presented in Next Dimension with Suikyo, where Pandora chose him as Garuda's Specter and gave him the Surplice of Garuda and the Evil Star of Valiance. Because Hades, Hypnos, Thanatos, Ker and Pandora can choose any human to carry the Surplice and the Evil Star, the human does not matter.
This part is interesting.
ハーデスの支配する冥界は、アテナをはじめ、他の神々の力が及ばない世界であり、唯一、冥王からその存在が許された者、つまり冥闘士しか活動することが許されない。そのために他の勢力から攻め込まれることがなく、神話の時代から他の勢力の侵入を阻んできた鉄壁の守りを誇っていたのだ(だが、今度の聖戦では黄金聖闘士・乙女座のシャカは、阿頼耶識を発現させることで冥界に侵攻する手段を見出す)。このため、幾度となく戦いを繰り広げながらもアテナは、その冥界の戦力を根絶やしにすることができなかったのだ。
O Submundo governado por Hades é um mundo inatingível pelo poder dos outros deuses, inclusive Athena. Somente aqueles que foram autorizados pelo Imperador das Trevas podem agir livremente, ou seja, apenas como Specters. Portanto, sem ser atacado por outras forças, orgulhavam-se da proteção intransponível que impedia a invasão de outras forças desde a Era Mitológica (no entanto, nesta Guerra Santa, o Cavaleiro de Ouro Shaka de Virgo encontrou uma maneira de invadir o Submundo manifestando o alaya-vijnana).
The Underworld is described as an unreachable place even for the power of the gods. In the manga, Athena needs to awaken the Eighth Sense (thanks to Shaka's message) to enter the Underworld.
This makes me wonder if the gods have the Eighth Sense, or is this a sense that only humans can awaken. And Athena can only awaken the Eighth Sense, because she is a goddess who reincarnated as a human.
Athena in the past could never invade the Underworld (world of the dead), that's why she could never destroy the body of Hades and end the holy war forever, because the god hid his body in the Elyseum. This means that Athena with only the power she possesses as a goddess could never enter the Underworld (a place unreachable even for the power of the gods), and she needed to awaken the Eighth Sense to enter that place.
In Kurumada's manga it is never mentioned that the gods awaken any sense, they are beings of great power because they are gods, they do not need to awaken any sense to obtain their powers, because they are born as beings superior to humans. The concept of senses was always something exclusive to humans.
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Speaking of the Eighth Sense, it is interesting to see that Asclepius, the only character of that era who probably awakened that sense (a knowledge he did not give to others like Shaka), can interfere in the Underworld and even resurrect Odysseus after his death. A power that not even the gods possess (only Hades, who is the creator and dominates the world of the dead).
Asclepius also has the power to see the future (he knows all the movements of the universe), a knowledge that the gods do not possess. And the Gold Saints who mastered the Eighth Sense are currently an existence that transcends space and time.
Some of Asclepius' abilities are probably due to the fact that he had mastered or was close to mastering the Eighth Sense.
Also like the Gold Saints, Asclepius transcends life and death (he can move freely in the world of the dead and in the world of the living), this could explain why the gods and Athena could not destroy him and only trapped him in Tartarus, because they cannot destroy him. The Gold Saints, who master the Eighth Sense, have a more impressive immortality than the gods, that's why they were able to return even when their soul and body were completely eliminated.
Asclepius as a human is weaker than the gods in terms of power (as the Pope mentions), but in terms of abilities he is far more impressive than several gods in this franchise (even gods of the Olympian level).
The concept of the Specters described in the Taizen, is the same that Kurumada uses for his manga, he even confirms it in ND where he shows that the Specters are not reincarnations (many have a different appearance and different names), and we could also see that the Specters can be chosen by Pandora, who decides which human will receive the Surplice and the Evil Star, even if that human is a Saint, as described in the Taizen. And this concept is also introduced in this way in Dark Wing, a more recent manga in the franchise that uses the new information from Kurumada's works.
The Underworld or world of the dead as a place unreachable even for the gods is presented in the manga, where Athena was never able to enter the Underworld and therefore the holy war continued until the present, where the Saints and Athena (thanks to the Eighth Sense) were able to enter the Underworld and destroy Hades forever, ending the cycle of the holy war forever.
Athena only awakened the Eighth Sense in the Hades Arc (after being killed by the Sword of Chrysus), after Shaka revealed the secret of this sense with the message he sent through the petals.
Asclepius also has the power to see the future (he knows all the movements of the universe), a knowledge that the gods do not possess. And the Gold Saints who mastered the Eighth Sense are currently an existence that transcends space and time.
Some of Asclepius' abilities are probably due to the fact that he had mastered or was close to mastering the Eighth Sense.
Also like the Gold Saints, Asclepius transcends life and death (he can move freely in the world of the dead and in the world of the living), this could explain why the gods and Athena could not destroy him and only trapped him in Tartarus, because they cannot destroy him. The Gold Saints, who master the Eighth Sense, have a more impressive immortality than the gods, that's why they were able to return even when their soul and body were completely eliminated.
Asclepius as a human is weaker than the gods in terms of power (as the Pope mentions), but in terms of abilities he is far more impressive than several gods in this franchise (even gods of the Olympian level).
Taizen was a work supervised by Kurumada, it is even mentioned in the pages of this work. The Hypermith was never a work supervised by Kurumada, and the information from that work has no relevance to the author's manga.
The concept of the Specters described in the Taizen, is the same that Kurumada uses for his manga, he even confirms it in ND where he shows that the Specters are not reincarnations (many have a different appearance and different names), and we could also see that the Specters can be chosen by Pandora, who decides which human will receive the Surplice and the Evil Star, even if that human is a Saint, as described in the Taizen. And this concept is also introduced in this way in Dark Wing, a more recent manga in the franchise that uses the new information from Kurumada's works.
The Underworld or world of the dead as a place unreachable even for the gods is presented in the manga, where Athena was never able to enter the Underworld and therefore the holy war continued until the present, where the Saints and Athena (thanks to the Eighth Sense) were able to enter the Underworld and destroy Hades forever, ending the cycle of the holy war forever.
Athena only awakened the Eighth Sense in the Hades Arc (after being killed by the Sword of Chrysus), after Shaka revealed the secret of this sense with the message he sent through the petals.
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Is this a 3-A or 2-C feat?.
Tokisada with his Chrono Execution creates a black hole that threatens to drawn all the space and time from the dimension of the end of time.
Tokisada's goal was also to create a new big bang (to destroy the time and space of that dimension), therefore, he would probably first create a big crunch with his Chrono Execution (black hole) and then generate a big bang.
The End of Time is a dimension with stars and galaxies, and it is also a different time-space.
The quality of the feats of Omega is only proportional to the quality of its soundtrack in the first season.
The description on the DVD confirms that the gods of Mars (Vulcanus) created a different space or dimension within the Pisces Temple.
蒼摩、龍峰、栄斗を迎え撃つため、マルス四天王が双魚宮内に作り出した異空間。
Tokisada with his Chrono Execution creates a black hole that threatens to drawn all the space and time from the dimension of the end of time.
Tokisada's goal was also to create a new big bang (to destroy the time and space of that dimension), therefore, he would probably first create a big crunch with his Chrono Execution (black hole) and then generate a big bang.
The End of Time is a dimension with stars and galaxies, and it is also a different time-space.
Description of the End of Time by Tokisada.
Galaxies:
Description of the End of Time on the DVD.
現在、過去、未来の全てが重なり合う世界「時間の果て」。 恐竜の骨や様々な時代の建造物が埋まつている。
Galaxies:
Description of the End of Time on the DVD.
現在、過去、未来の全てが重なり合う世界「時間の果て」。 恐竜の骨や様々な時代の建造物が埋まつている。
The quality of the feats of Omega is only proportional to the quality of its soundtrack in the first season.
The description on the DVD confirms that the gods of Mars (Vulcanus) created a different space or dimension within the Pisces Temple.
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Is this a 3-A or 2-C feat?.
Tokisada with his Chrono Execution creates a black hole that threatens to drawn all the space and time from the dimension of the end of time.
Tokisada's goal was also to create a new big bang (to destroy the time and space of that dimension), therefore, he would probably first create a big crunch with his Chrono Execution (black hole) and then generate a big bang.
The End of Time is a dimension with stars and galaxies, and it is also a different time-space.
Description of the End of Time by Tokisada.
Galaxies:
Description of the End of Time on the DVD.
現在、過去、未来の全てが重なり合う世界「時間の果て」。 恐竜の骨や様々な時代の建造物が埋まつている。
The quality of the feats of Omega is only proportional to the quality of its soundtrack in the first season.
The description on the DVD confirms that the gods of Mars (Vulcanus) created a different space or dimension within the Pisces Temple.
蒼摩、龍峰、栄斗を迎え撃つため、マルス四天王が双魚宮内に作り出した異空間。
The end of time is a bit more complex
i have a question do you have the scans of Eris creating a universe for Shoko? Edit: nvm i found it.
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Is this a 3-A or 2-C feat?.
Tokisada with his Chrono Execution creates a black hole that threatens to drawn all the space and time from the dimension of the end of time.
Tokisada's goal was also to create a new big bang (to destroy the time and space of that dimension), therefore, he would probably first create a big crunch with his Chrono Execution (black hole) and then generate a big bang.
The End of Time is a dimension with stars and galaxies, and it is also a different time-space.
Description of the End of Time by Tokisada.
Galaxies:
Description of the End of Time on the DVD.
現在、過去、未来の全てが重なり合う世界「時間の果て」。 恐竜の骨や様々な時代の建造物が埋まつている。
The quality of the feats of Omega is only proportional to the quality of its soundtrack in the first season.
The description on the DVD confirms that the gods of Mars (Vulcanus) created a different space or dimension within the Pisces Temple.
蒼摩、龍峰、栄斗を迎え撃つため、マルス四天王が双魚宮内に作り出した異空間。
Idk, but wow ryuho has a big sheild
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@Lancelot_de_Cancer I was thinking of updating Shoko's profile as it appears to be very dated
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Equuleus_Shoko
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Equuleus_Shoko
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see question above this comment
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It is. No 7th sense key, powers section is partially empty, and uses a bad photo(imo)
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Not to mention she has a "god cloth" thingy that could be used in a new key iirc
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Yeah. And the lunar thingy gives her a psuedo 8th sense, in the sense it allows for travel to elysium
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she should also probably get a low 2-C possibly 2-C key in the "god cloth", but I'm super behind in Sho hence why I am asking for Lancelot's help
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Tbh, tons of profiles need fixing up.
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how do u decide between redoing one or deleting it
