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Makes no sense to me. Galaxian explosion is supposed to be his full power. + you can calc GE higher than galaxy level. But everyone thinks gold saints are bronze level
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Saint Seiya Discussion Thread (IV)
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Hmm, well here’s my thinking. When the word destroy is in saint seiya, it means matter hax it. Could you even call the energy needed to reduce a galaxy to less than quarks, since that’s what gold Saints can matter hax up to. I wonder what value it would give.
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Subatomic values which is multi-galaxy. But it could far higher since you need more energy to destroy quarks
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calc'ing is hard work. Supposedly a tempature of over 2 trillion degrees is needed to separate Protons and Nuetrons into quarks
which comes out to
3.798201069432e15
Compared to sub-atomic destruction value of
5.403E13
thats still not destroying quarks thats separating them apart
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tbh all Gold Saints are Low 2-C with a few that have 2-A and 2-C powers.
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What do you think about letting the five bronzes get libra weapons as optional equipment.
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Well, Degel (full power) is one of the strongest Gold Saints of his generation and Camus is one of the weakest.
I started reading The Lost Canvas again, but found no mention or feat of faster-than-light speeds in this universe. We'll probably have to rework it to apply a downgrade to the speed of the verse, because they don't have the Superdimension feat (in this universe it's just a portal that the gods use to travel to other places and dimensions) and neither do they have descriptions or faster-than-light speed feats, and also downgrade the power of some characters in this universe, because Hades didn't create the Superdimension and there is no mention of him creating the Underworld either.
It was the black core that connected the worlds, and a portal also appeared in the Underworld of the future world.
I only remember Shaka and Shijima's feat in ND as 2-C probably even 2-B.
Even among the gods only Chronos (adding the cosmology of Saint Seiya Omega), and probably Saturn and Abzu are 2-A. Also, other characters that are 2-A like Chronos, Zeus and Typhon have to be downgraded to 2-C because they have no feats.
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The events of classic ss, did happen on the lc time line tho, just further down it. So, the classic stuff should be canon to lc, at least that’s the way I interpret it. Therefore, whatever is accepted for the classic, should be applicable to lc. Could be wrong
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For general Cosmo page. What would you guys name the page? Just "Cosmo? Because it would Need to cover the other senses.
Basic Cosmo usages, 7th sense, 8th sense, etc.
It would make editing every profile more simple.
Basic Cosmo usages, 7th sense, 8th sense, etc.
It would make editing every profile more simple.
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No, the universe of The Lost Canvas is its own universe unrelated to the original manga, and it has many different concepts with the original manga, for example the Surperdimension in TLC is just a portal and Hades did not create this place (it is even unknown if he created the world of the dead), therefore, this universe has no feat of FTL speed and Hades did not create three universes.
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Speculation. I disagree and the new official website suoervised by kuru has LC connected to the original. Theur just different timelines. FTL speed feats will get revised in their entirety very later into the future.
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The official site needs to be updated, especially now that Kurumada is publishing the Final Edition. Also, on that page it is described that Omega is connected to the original manga, when Omega is a sequel to the anime of Saint Seiya, that's why the Steel Saints appear and explains their disappearance in the original anime.
And officially the universe of TLC is its own universe unrelated to the original manga, it even has several errors and concepts altered or invented by the author.
- The Superdimension is just a portal and Hades did not create that place.
- In TLC, Hades is even vulnerable to sunlight. Shiori believes that Hades is a vampire.
- The concept of the Senses has several differences.
- Athena grants her powers to the Saints and the Ara Saint can remove their powers (a really silly addition to the concept of Saints).
- The concept of the Specters is very different. In TLC, Asmita created the rosary to seal the souls of the Specters, and Shaka says in the original manga that the rosary was created by Buddha, and the Saints do not seal the soul of the Specter and they seal the Masei (evil star) of the Specter (at the beginning of the Hades Arc it is described that the 108 evil stars are sealed in the tower). The Specters are affected by the Seki Shiki when in the original manga they are immune to this ability.
- And many other differences with the original manga.
Reviewing this page that compiles some speed feats.
Saint Seiya: Speed Feats Summarized
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Ikki Vs Shaka: A monkey in Buddha's Hand
In the correct translation of this scene, Ikki only says random numbers (1e+60 or Nayuta) and never says kilometers.
So it could be even more impressive, because Ikki could be describing the number of galaxies he crossed on his way (in the image Ikki is traveling through galaxies), or anything else. Although without knowing what Ikki is describing in that scene, the calculation should probably only include the three galaxies that Ikki crosses in the image.
I hope Kurumada explains it better in the Final Edition.
Shun's Nebula Chain Crossing Saga's Another Dimension
It is described that the Andromeda chain can fly between time and space, so it is possible that the speed is even infinite.
Saints Exchange Attacks from Universes Away
This is a misinterpretation of this scene, because Aiolos never attacked from another universe. Aiolos was on his planet (which floats around the planet of the future world) and only attacks a place located before the Underworld. This indicates that he has some dimensional power to attack from another dimension.
We should also calculate and add the speed feat of Ryuthos, who traveled to the ends of the universe to save Erda.
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The latest chapter (Stage 86: Power to Believe) of Saintia Sho is available.
It's a great chapter, probably one of the best final chapters in the franchise of Saint Seiya.
The only problem with this chapter is that it did not show the fate of several characters, but Kuori announced at the end of the chapter that the final chapter would be expanded in the Volume.
Saori is rarely seen really angry in this franchise.
Some interesting details of this chapter.
Eris says that Saori achieved greater power than the mythological Athena in this fight. But Eris was still more powerful than Saori. This confirms that Eris is a goddess who is on another level from the other gods.
Great Gods? >>>> Chronos >>>> Eris (amplified by conflict) >>>> Saori/Athena (full power) >>>> Athena =/= Poseidon =/= Hades =/= Zeus >>>> The other gods.
Saori could not destroy Eris, she can only reseal her. Eris again says that as long as the conflict exists she cannot be destroyed and will always return.
It is curious that Eris and Chronos, who are the only gods that embody an abstract concept, time and conflict, are the most powerful gods in the main universe (except perhaps for the Great Gods who resurrected Saori).
It's a great chapter, probably one of the best final chapters in the franchise of Saint Seiya.
The only problem with this chapter is that it did not show the fate of several characters, but Kuori announced at the end of the chapter that the final chapter would be expanded in the Volume.
Saori is rarely seen really angry in this franchise.
Some interesting details of this chapter.
Eris says that Saori achieved greater power than the mythological Athena in this fight. But Eris was still more powerful than Saori. This confirms that Eris is a goddess who is on another level from the other gods.
Great Gods? >>>> Chronos >>>> Eris (amplified by conflict) >>>> Saori/Athena (full power) >>>> Athena =/= Poseidon =/= Hades =/= Zeus >>>> The other gods.
Saori could not destroy Eris, she can only reseal her. Eris again says that as long as the conflict exists she cannot be destroyed and will always return.
It is curious that Eris and Chronos, who are the only gods that embody an abstract concept, time and conflict, are the most powerful gods in the main universe (except perhaps for the Great Gods who resurrected Saori).
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The funny thing is, seiya also did this episode g assasin
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it's more than likely a mistranslation of "countless" as iirc, the japanese kanji for countless and infinite are very similar
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In the description of the official site it is said that Chronos is just a concept.
実態は存在せず、概念だけ感じることができる
Ikki says that he was going to hit Chronos.
Is this a possible non-physical interaction?
Ikki says that he was going to hit Chronos.
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Sounds outliersh to meIn the description of the official site it is said that Chronos is just a concept.
実態は存在せず、概念だけ感じることができる
Ikki says that he was going to hit Chronos.
Is this a possible non-physical interaction?
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the most notable is Hades Underworld but the issue here is that it is so broken that it could get restricted or yeeted entirely lmao
- Must have the 8th sense to enter
- You can't use the conventional 6 senses there
- You die if you go there alive
- Get possessed (In soul, and mind) by hades
- get law haxed by Hades
- Conceptually manipulated by Hades
- Super Dimensional Space Hax (Time-space distortion + BFR)
- Cocytus hax (Close to AZ temps iirc)
There could be more that I missed lol
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- Eris creates a new world/universe (probably a real universe and not a pocket universe inside a Temple) for her sister.
- The return of Eris created an explosion of light that was visible from Earth, even though the goddess was at the edge of the universe.
- The concept of gods with an abstract existence was first mentioned in Saintia Sho, although it is likely to be a description unique to Eris.
- Ryuthos (with Hermes' boots) travels and returns from the end of the Universe to save Erda.
- Dysnomia transcends the laws of the universe and can enter a dimension where the space-time of all universes converges.
- Eris throws a comet (Neo Repulse) to planet Earth.
- Mu uses his telekinesis to stop the comet that has the power of two gods. He creates several barriers or Crystal Walls to protect the planet and also uses Starlight Extinction to try to stop the comet.
- The Gold Saints, Eris, Shoko (with Dress) and Saori can fight in space.
- The Saintias sacrifice their lives to summon the help of Great Gods more powerful than a god like Athena, who resurrect Athena and Nike.
- Other feats I'm probably forgetting, overall Saintia Sho was one of the series with better feats.
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The world/universe created by Eris is mentioned in this link (with Japanese scans and English translation by LGG in CVZ).
I never got the raw of the first chapters, but this translation is based on the Spanish translation of SKD Scalations, so it is a good translation.
Why are the gods (Hades, Poseidon, Cronus, Athena, etc.) conceptual beings?
In the link of the description of this ability appears this image.
But this is only for Eris, who is a conceptual being by that description, but is the only god in the franchise to be described that way.
"You may have destroyed me... But, for as long as conflicts exist... Without a shadow of a doubt... The battlefields, the smell of blood... Will allow me to return once more."
So Eris, the Goddess of Discord, explicitly says that she cannot be killed as long as there is conflict remaining. Saint Seiya Gods are manifestations of the concept / thing they rule over, and cannot die for as long as that remains.
In the story of Saint Sho, Eris' power is amplified by the conflicts in the world, to the point that she is now more powerful than Athena, because she is a goddess connected with the concept that she represents, but other gods do not have that ability, for example Athena's power does not increase with war, Hades' power does not increase with death and Poseidon's power does not increase with the oceans.
In the last chapters of Saintia Sho it is even explained that a god like Eris cannot exist in a world without conflict.
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Shoko: I know it, okay...!
Shoko: Saori certainly wishes something like that
Shoko: But... Shoko: Not this world where my sister doesn't exist!
Shoko: Saori... surely Shoko: Wishes to release my sister from battles
Shoko: In a peaceful world, that's her desire!!
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Shoko: ..... Can't you grant it....?
Eris/Kyoko: ...Impossible (...無理よ)
Kyoko/Eris: I am Eris, I can't exist in a world with no strife (わたしはエリス争いのない世界では生きられない)
Kyoko/Eris: !?
Shoko: So... I will grant it...!!
Shoko: If you can't...
Shoko: I won't give up on fulfilling Saori's wish!!
Is there any other description in the franchise that indicates that the gods are conceptual beings?.
Now that Saintia Sho finishes the next chapter, Dark Wing could replace Saintia Sho as the manga with the best feats of the franchise.
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I dislike how we treat "edge of the universe" speed feats in calcs.
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In Origin it is implied that the god in his true body (divine body) can only be harmed by a Sacred Treasure or something with divine power.
Ker mentions that Kanon cannot harm her, something Kanon does not deny. Even when Kanon is much more powerful than Seiya, who was able to damage Thanatos' fingers, and Ikki.
Kanon needs Poseidon's Sacred Treasure (the god's trident) to hurt Ker's body, something that even surprises the goddess.
Rereading the original manga, Ikki (the most powerful of the Bronze Saints, described by Thanatos himself) could not hurt Thanatos' divine body, the attack only damages the god's armor. Only Seiya, who has Athena's blood in his armor, can hurt the god's divine body, even though he is weaker than Ikki.
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Among all the nonsense that Kurumada (still better than other authors like Okada, who never bothers to explain most of it well) is adding to the franchise, at least it can be said that the gods are getting more and more impressive.
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Ker mentions that Kanon cannot harm her, something Kanon does not deny. Even when Kanon is much more powerful than Seiya, who was able to damage Thanatos' fingers, and Ikki.
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Among all the nonsense that Kurumada (still better than other authors like Okada, who never bothers to explain most of it well) is adding to the franchise, at least it can be said that the gods are getting more and more impressive.
- He introduces Chronos, the first god who has no physical form in the franchise, and who exists as an abstract concept.
- He confirms that the Gold Saints are weaker than Hypnos, Thanatos and Ker. Although the power of the 12 Gold Saints together is even greater than the power of Athena or any other god, and the Golden Ophiuchus is probably as powerful as these gods or even a little stronger.
- It is mentioned that Gold Saints cannot kill Athena, and then in the following chapters and specials it is hinted that only a Sacred Treasure can kill a god.
- He hints that only a Sacred Treasure can hurt a god in his true body.
- He confirms that the golden dagger, now named the Sword of Chrysus, is a weapon for killing gods.
- Saori was able to resurrect even after being killed by a Sacred Treasure, confirming why Athena is one of the most powerful gods in this franchise.
Longevity
Longevity is the ability to age far more slowly than any normal being, allowing the user to have a lifespan that far exceeds any human, sometimes reaching hundreds or thousands of years if not longer. Unlike characters with Immortality Type 1, beings with Longevity do still age, and thus will...
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Ikki being strong enough for Thanatos' divine reflection (as he is a god) to not immediately reflect his attacks is a pretty huge feat
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He’s not talking to Poseidon is he?
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Hes fighting Seiya here. This is just more evidence that implies 1 god for the whole multiverse as Zeus is recaling events of fighting many other Seiya's from other worlds.
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At the very least it implies the number of Zeus' that exist is less than the number of universes/timelines that exist
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Kurumada continues his work to adjust the dialogues of the original manga with the new ideas and concepts introduced in Zero, Origin, Destiny and Next Dimension.
Now Kurumada introduces the name of the Sword of Chrysus (クリューソスの剣) in the original manga.
This confirms that Kurumada will probably change Hades' dialogue in the last volume. In ND, Kurumada changed Hades' dialogue and now does not mention that the Pegasus Saint could hurt him in the past, he only says that Pegasus was his friend in a previous incarnation.
Now the Pegasus Saint is not special and is just an ordinary Saint, the only reason why Tenma and Seiya stand out is because of their strong will, not because they have a special destiny.
This explains why Asclepius (Golden Ophiuchus), who knows the future and the past, names the Pegasus Saint as a Bronze Saint with nothing special and even considers that Athena makes a mistake by changing the past to save a Bronze Saint.
Each universe has its own version of the gods, and there are several Zeus in the multiverse, probably one for each universe in the multiverse.
This scene only indicates that this version of Zeus traveled through the multiverse to destroy the humanity of the different Earths (because he is a one-dimensional racist god), where he fights against Seiya and the Saints, or that Zeus thanks to the distortion generated by the Black Core (the portal that connects the worlds) gets the memory of other versions of the character in the different worlds, as Shiryu also gets the memory of the version of Shiryu from the universe of Aiolos (Lost World).
Now Kurumada introduces the name of the Sword of Chrysus (クリューソスの剣) in the original manga.
This confirms that Kurumada will probably change Hades' dialogue in the last volume. In ND, Kurumada changed Hades' dialogue and now does not mention that the Pegasus Saint could hurt him in the past, he only says that Pegasus was his friend in a previous incarnation.
Now the Pegasus Saint is not special and is just an ordinary Saint, the only reason why Tenma and Seiya stand out is because of their strong will, not because they have a special destiny.
This explains why Asclepius (Golden Ophiuchus), who knows the future and the past, names the Pegasus Saint as a Bronze Saint with nothing special and even considers that Athena makes a mistake by changing the past to save a Bronze Saint.
No.
Each universe has its own version of the gods, and there are several Zeus in the multiverse, probably one for each universe in the multiverse.
This scene only indicates that this version of Zeus traveled through the multiverse to destroy the humanity of the different Earths (because he is a one-dimensional racist god), where he fights against Seiya and the Saints, or that Zeus thanks to the distortion generated by the Black Core (the portal that connects the worlds) gets the memory of other versions of the character in the different worlds, as Shiryu also gets the memory of the version of Shiryu from the universe of Aiolos (Lost World).
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Episode.G Requiem #15
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Script in French by Cedde in Saint Seiya Pedia.
English translation by GodClothShango.
What kind of fanfic did I just read?
聖闘士星矢EPISODE.Gレクイエム
聖闘士星矢EPISODE.Gレクイエム by チャンピオンクロス。地上が絶望に覆われてゆく…。陥落する聖域を前に、射手座の黄金聖闘士を継承した星矢は、アテナ神殿に囚われたアテナ沙織を救出するために、最大最後の闘いに挑む!「EPISODE.G」シリーズ、衝撃の最終章が開幕!!
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Script in French by Cedde in Saint Seiya Pedia.
Chapitre 15 : Point de départ
Page 01
Argès : Seule la statue d’Athéna continue de s’opposer…
Argès : à la transformation forcée du Sanctuaire en Pandémonium.
Argès : Comme si elle reflétait ton propre cœur.
Pages 02-03
Argès : Mais… combien de temps encore tiendra ce Dunamis ?
Argès : En recevant le karma des humains dans ton propre corps…
Argès : Tu condamnes ta chair de déesse à la destruction.
Argès : Tu croyais en eux. Résultat : ils t’ont trahie.
Argès : Te menant ainsi au désespoir.
Argès : Le désespoir est le seul pouvoir capable de tuer Athéna.
Argès: Lève les yeux au ciel.
Page 04
Argès : Le désespoir est revenu…
Argès : pour détruire ton âme.
Saori : Ce n’est pas… possible ?
Saori : Oh non…
Saori : Cet être est à l’origine de tout.
Page 05
Saori : Une rencontre inattendue qui ne doit absolument pas être permise.
Saori : Seiya… Tu ne dois pas rencontrer le « point de départ » !
Seiya : Pourquoi ? Je ne le connais pas, ce type. Sa voix… Son air…
Seiya : Et son Cosmos… ne me disent rien.
Seiya : Alors… Pourquoi ? Pourquoi mon cœur est-il si bouleversé ?
Page 06
Seiya : Devant moi se dressent fermement…
Seiya : cette cape noire et cet éclat rouge…
Seiya : qui font trembler mon âme et mon Cosmos.
Seiya : Ce type et moi sommes reliés par le destin !!!
Page 07
Seiya : Le cadavre disparaît ?!
Seiya : Ce type est donc bel et bien libre de faire des sauts dimensionnels, même au cœur du Sanctuaire !!!
Seiya : Il disparaît ?!
Seiya : Attends !! D’où tu connais mon nom ?!
Page 08
Seiya : Il m’attaque ?!
Seiya : D’aussi loin ?!
Page 09
Seiya : Son poing…
Seiya : a ignoré la distance…
Seiya : en effectuant un saut dimensionnel ?!
Pages 10-11
Brontès : MUGEN KOUDOU (voie cramoisie (de lumière) infinie)
Seiya : Il a multiplié à l’infini…
Seiya : une seule attaque ?!
Page 12
Seiya : Qu'y a-t-il... ?
Page 13
Seiya : Qu’est-ce qui te surprend ? Tu ne peux pas te débarrasser de moi aussi facilement.
Seiya : Ça ne fait que commencer.
Seiya : Alors, qu’est-ce que tu vas me montrer ensuite ? J’ai hâte !
Brontès : Dans ce cas…
Brontès : Parlons un peu…
Seiya : Je suis pressé, je n’ai pas de temps à perdre.
Brontès : Tu veux sauver Athéna.
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Brontès : Tu dois connaître la raison qui te pousse à poursuivre le combat.
Brontès : Pourquoi les guerres saintes se sont-elles répétées, encore et encore…
Brontès : durant la longue histoire du Sanctuaire ?
Seiya : Pour empêcher toute invasion…
Seiya : Nous avons toujours versé notre sang pour protéger le monde…
Seiya : la Terre… et ses habitants !!
Brontès : Dans ce cas, pourquoi les dieux combattent-ils et versent-ils leur sang…
Brontès : pour mettre la main sur cette planète ?
Page 15
Seiya : Ils veulent tellement l’avoir qu’ils vont jusqu’à combattre pour s’en emparer !
Seiya : Parce que ce monde est magnifique et merveilleux !
Brontès : Quel orgueil.
Brontès : C’est le comble de l’arrogance de penser que cette Terre paraît magnifique aux yeux des dieux.
Brontès : Au nom de son développement, l’humanité a pollué la Terre.
Brontès : C'est une nuisance pour les dieux.
Brontès : La Terre n’est plus qu’un lieu en quarantaine à l’usage exclusif de l’humanité. Une abomination.
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Brontès : Les dieux ne sont pas intéressés par un tel endroit.
Brontès : Notre comportement et notre objectif sont opposés.
Brontès : Notre objectif est de continuer à provoquer des guerres saintes.
Seiya : Le résultat d’une guerre sainte n’a aucune importance…
Seiya : Vous désirez poursuivre une guerre éternelle… ?!
Brontès : Les dieux sont des êtres insatiables.
Brontès : Ce que les dieux veulent, ils l’obtiennent…
Brontès : peu importent les moyens.
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Seiya : Et toi, tu connais l’objectif…
Seiya : Ou plutôt… le plan des dieux ?
Brontès : Pour s’opposer aux invasions divines des guerres saintes…
Brontès : les humains ont imploré l’assistance de la déesse Athéna.
Brontès : Elle a rassemblé des gens puissants au Sanctuaire afin de combattre les dieux.
Brontès : Elle leur a donné des techniques et a entraîné leur corps et leur cœur.
Brontès : Parmi eux, ceux qui avaient une forte volonté éveillèrent en eux le pouvoir à l’origine de la création de l’univers, le Cosmos.
Brontès : Ils devinrent des êtres capables d’entrouvrir la terre de leurs pieds et de pourfendre les cieux de leurs poings.
Brontès : Ainsi les dieux obtinrent ce qu’ils désiraient.
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Brontès : La production de Saints.
Brontès : Voilà quel était le plan des dieux.
Seiya : Ils ont créé eux-mêmes des êtres capables de les combattre ?!
Seiya : S’ils veulent s’emparer de la Terre, ça n’a aucun sens !!
Brontès : En envahissant la Terre, ils donnent aux humains la volonté de combattre.
Brontès : La Terre n’est que la motivation qui pousse les mortels à se battre.
Brontès : Depuis le début, le monde où vivent les dieux est sans commune mesure avec la Terre. C’est une terre qui déborde de pouvoir.
Brontès : Elle est faite de matériaux solides et inébranlables.
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Brontès : Des matériaux robustes comme l'indestructible orichalque.
Brontès : Peu importe l’ennemi extérieur qui se présentera, elle ne craint absolument rien et ne tremblera jamais.
Seiya : Attends…
Seiya : Qu’est-ce que tu viens de dire… ?
Brontès : Reconnais...
Brontès : le monde qui t'entoure.
Seiya : C’est pas vrai !!!
Seiya : Ce n’est pas possible !!!
Pages 20-21
Brontès : Le monde des dieux est entièrement fait…
Brontès : de restes de Saints.
Page 22
Seiya : C’est n’importe quoi, cette histoire… !!
Seiya : Cette… érosion… Le monde des dieux…
Seiya : Tu veux me faire croire que tout ça est fait des dépouilles des Saints ?!!
Seiya : C’est absurde !!!
Brontès : Sans cela…
Brontès : les dieux ne vous auraient pas octroyé cette faveur de combattre contre eux.
Brontès : Pour les dieux, vous, les Saints…
Brontès : n’êtes que des matériaux choisis pour bâtir une terre robuste.
Page 23
Brontès : Depuis les temps mythologiques, les guerres saintes se sont répétées sans cesse…
Brontès : pour étendre fermement le monde absolu des dieux.
Brontès : Les humains ne sont que des offrandes.
Seiya : Pourquoi ?!
Seiya : Pourquoi m’as-tu raconté ça ?
Page 24
Seiya : Tu m’as révélé la machination des dieux alors que je suis un Saint, un ennemi ?!
Seiya : Qui es-tu, à la fin ?!
Brontès : Je suis…
Brontès : l’origine.
Brontès : Le point de départ…
Brontès : qui a débuté la guerre sainte de ta génération.
Page 01
Argès : Seule la statue d’Athéna continue de s’opposer…
Argès : à la transformation forcée du Sanctuaire en Pandémonium.
Argès : Comme si elle reflétait ton propre cœur.
Pages 02-03
Argès : Mais… combien de temps encore tiendra ce Dunamis ?
Argès : En recevant le karma des humains dans ton propre corps…
Argès : Tu condamnes ta chair de déesse à la destruction.
Argès : Tu croyais en eux. Résultat : ils t’ont trahie.
Argès : Te menant ainsi au désespoir.
Argès : Le désespoir est le seul pouvoir capable de tuer Athéna.
Argès: Lève les yeux au ciel.
Page 04
Argès : Le désespoir est revenu…
Argès : pour détruire ton âme.
Saori : Ce n’est pas… possible ?
Saori : Oh non…
Saori : Cet être est à l’origine de tout.
Page 05
Saori : Une rencontre inattendue qui ne doit absolument pas être permise.
Saori : Seiya… Tu ne dois pas rencontrer le « point de départ » !
Seiya : Pourquoi ? Je ne le connais pas, ce type. Sa voix… Son air…
Seiya : Et son Cosmos… ne me disent rien.
Seiya : Alors… Pourquoi ? Pourquoi mon cœur est-il si bouleversé ?
Page 06
Seiya : Devant moi se dressent fermement…
Seiya : cette cape noire et cet éclat rouge…
Seiya : qui font trembler mon âme et mon Cosmos.
Seiya : Ce type et moi sommes reliés par le destin !!!
Page 07
Seiya : Le cadavre disparaît ?!
Seiya : Ce type est donc bel et bien libre de faire des sauts dimensionnels, même au cœur du Sanctuaire !!!
Seiya : Il disparaît ?!
Seiya : Attends !! D’où tu connais mon nom ?!
Page 08
Seiya : Il m’attaque ?!
Seiya : D’aussi loin ?!
Page 09
Seiya : Son poing…
Seiya : a ignoré la distance…
Seiya : en effectuant un saut dimensionnel ?!
Pages 10-11
Brontès : MUGEN KOUDOU (voie cramoisie (de lumière) infinie)
Seiya : Il a multiplié à l’infini…
Seiya : une seule attaque ?!
Page 12
Seiya : Qu'y a-t-il... ?
Page 13
Seiya : Qu’est-ce qui te surprend ? Tu ne peux pas te débarrasser de moi aussi facilement.
Seiya : Ça ne fait que commencer.
Seiya : Alors, qu’est-ce que tu vas me montrer ensuite ? J’ai hâte !
Brontès : Dans ce cas…
Brontès : Parlons un peu…
Seiya : Je suis pressé, je n’ai pas de temps à perdre.
Brontès : Tu veux sauver Athéna.
Page 14
Brontès : Tu dois connaître la raison qui te pousse à poursuivre le combat.
Brontès : Pourquoi les guerres saintes se sont-elles répétées, encore et encore…
Brontès : durant la longue histoire du Sanctuaire ?
Seiya : Pour empêcher toute invasion…
Seiya : Nous avons toujours versé notre sang pour protéger le monde…
Seiya : la Terre… et ses habitants !!
Brontès : Dans ce cas, pourquoi les dieux combattent-ils et versent-ils leur sang…
Brontès : pour mettre la main sur cette planète ?
Page 15
Seiya : Ils veulent tellement l’avoir qu’ils vont jusqu’à combattre pour s’en emparer !
Seiya : Parce que ce monde est magnifique et merveilleux !
Brontès : Quel orgueil.
Brontès : C’est le comble de l’arrogance de penser que cette Terre paraît magnifique aux yeux des dieux.
Brontès : Au nom de son développement, l’humanité a pollué la Terre.
Brontès : C'est une nuisance pour les dieux.
Brontès : La Terre n’est plus qu’un lieu en quarantaine à l’usage exclusif de l’humanité. Une abomination.
Page 16
Brontès : Les dieux ne sont pas intéressés par un tel endroit.
Brontès : Notre comportement et notre objectif sont opposés.
Brontès : Notre objectif est de continuer à provoquer des guerres saintes.
Seiya : Le résultat d’une guerre sainte n’a aucune importance…
Seiya : Vous désirez poursuivre une guerre éternelle… ?!
Brontès : Les dieux sont des êtres insatiables.
Brontès : Ce que les dieux veulent, ils l’obtiennent…
Brontès : peu importent les moyens.
Page 17
Seiya : Et toi, tu connais l’objectif…
Seiya : Ou plutôt… le plan des dieux ?
Brontès : Pour s’opposer aux invasions divines des guerres saintes…
Brontès : les humains ont imploré l’assistance de la déesse Athéna.
Brontès : Elle a rassemblé des gens puissants au Sanctuaire afin de combattre les dieux.
Brontès : Elle leur a donné des techniques et a entraîné leur corps et leur cœur.
Brontès : Parmi eux, ceux qui avaient une forte volonté éveillèrent en eux le pouvoir à l’origine de la création de l’univers, le Cosmos.
Brontès : Ils devinrent des êtres capables d’entrouvrir la terre de leurs pieds et de pourfendre les cieux de leurs poings.
Brontès : Ainsi les dieux obtinrent ce qu’ils désiraient.
Page 18
Brontès : La production de Saints.
Brontès : Voilà quel était le plan des dieux.
Seiya : Ils ont créé eux-mêmes des êtres capables de les combattre ?!
Seiya : S’ils veulent s’emparer de la Terre, ça n’a aucun sens !!
Brontès : En envahissant la Terre, ils donnent aux humains la volonté de combattre.
Brontès : La Terre n’est que la motivation qui pousse les mortels à se battre.
Brontès : Depuis le début, le monde où vivent les dieux est sans commune mesure avec la Terre. C’est une terre qui déborde de pouvoir.
Brontès : Elle est faite de matériaux solides et inébranlables.
Page 19
Brontès : Des matériaux robustes comme l'indestructible orichalque.
Brontès : Peu importe l’ennemi extérieur qui se présentera, elle ne craint absolument rien et ne tremblera jamais.
Seiya : Attends…
Seiya : Qu’est-ce que tu viens de dire… ?
Brontès : Reconnais...
Brontès : le monde qui t'entoure.
Seiya : C’est pas vrai !!!
Seiya : Ce n’est pas possible !!!
Pages 20-21
Brontès : Le monde des dieux est entièrement fait…
Brontès : de restes de Saints.
Page 22
Seiya : C’est n’importe quoi, cette histoire… !!
Seiya : Cette… érosion… Le monde des dieux…
Seiya : Tu veux me faire croire que tout ça est fait des dépouilles des Saints ?!!
Seiya : C’est absurde !!!
Brontès : Sans cela…
Brontès : les dieux ne vous auraient pas octroyé cette faveur de combattre contre eux.
Brontès : Pour les dieux, vous, les Saints…
Brontès : n’êtes que des matériaux choisis pour bâtir une terre robuste.
Page 23
Brontès : Depuis les temps mythologiques, les guerres saintes se sont répétées sans cesse…
Brontès : pour étendre fermement le monde absolu des dieux.
Brontès : Les humains ne sont que des offrandes.
Seiya : Pourquoi ?!
Seiya : Pourquoi m’as-tu raconté ça ?
Page 24
Seiya : Tu m’as révélé la machination des dieux alors que je suis un Saint, un ennemi ?!
Seiya : Qui es-tu, à la fin ?!
Brontès : Je suis…
Brontès : l’origine.
Brontès : Le point de départ…
Brontès : qui a débuté la guerre sainte de ta génération.
English translation by GodClothShango.
Chapter 15: Starting point
Page 01
Ages: Only the statue of Athena continues to oppose ...
Ages: to the forced transformation of the Sanctuary into Pandemonium.
Argès: As if it reflected your own heart.
Pages 02-03
Argès: But… how long will this Dunamis last?
Argès: By receiving the karma of humans in your own body…
Argès: You condemn your goddess flesh to destruction.
Argès: You believed in them. Result: they betrayed you.
Argès: Thus leading you to despair.
Argès: Despair is the only power capable of killing Athena.
Argès: Roll your eyes.
Page 04
Argès: Despair has returned…
Argès: to destroy your soul.
Saori: It's not… possible?
Saori: Oh no…
Saori: This being is at the origin of everything.
Page 05
Saori: An unexpected encounter that should absolutely not be allowed.
Saori: Seiya… You must not meet the "starting point"!
Seiya: Why? I don't know this guy. Her voice… Her air…
Seiya: And her Cosmos… don't mean anything to me.
Seiya: So… why? Why is my heart so upset?
Page 06
Seiya: In front of me stand firmly…
Seiya: this black cloak and this red glow…
Seiya: which make my soul and my Cosmos tremble.
Seiya: This guy and I are linked by fate !!!
Page 07
Seiya: The corpse disappears ?!
Seiya: So this guy is indeed free to do dimensional jumps, even in the heart of the Sanctuary !!!
Seiya: Is he disappearing ?!
Seiya: Wait !! Where do you know my name from ?!
Page 08
Seiya: He's attacking me ?!
Seiya: From this far ?!
Page 09
Seiya: His fist…
Seiya: ignored the distance…
Seiya: by performing a dimensional jump ?!
Pages 10-11
Brontès: MUGEN KOUDOU (infinite crimson way (of light)
Seiya: He multiplied to infinity…
Seiya: only one attack ?!
Page 12
Seiya: What is ...?
Page 13
Seiya: What surprises you? You can't get rid of me that easily.
Seiya: It's only just getting started.
Seiya: So, what are you going to show me next? I look forward !
Brontès: In that case ...
Brontès: Let's talk a little ...
Seiya: I'm in a hurry, I have no time to waste.
Brontès: You want to save Athena.
Page 14
Brontès: You must know the reason which pushes you to continue the fight.
Brontès: Why were the holy wars repeated over and over again…
Brontès: during the long history of the Sanctuary?
Seiya: To prevent any invasion…
Seiya: We have always shed our blood to protect the world…
Seiya: Earth… and its inhabitants !!
Brontès: In that case, why do the gods fight and shed their blood ...
Brontès: to get your hands on this planet?
Page 15
Seiya: They want so they will have to fight to seize!
Seiya: Because this world is beautiful and wonderful!
Brontès: What pride.
Brontès: It is the height of arrogance to think that this Earth looks magnificent in the eyes of the gods.
Brontès: In the name of its development, humanity has polluted the Earth.
Brontès: It's a nuisance for the gods.
Brontès: Earth is no longer a place in quarantine for the exclusive use of humanity. An abomination.
Page 16
Brontès: The gods are not interested in such a place.
Brontès: Our behavior and our objective are opposed.
Brontès: Our goal is to continue to provoke holy wars.
Seiya: The outcome of a holy war does not matter…
Seiya: You wish to continue an eternal war… ?!
Brontès: The gods are insatiable beings.
Brontès: What the gods want, they get…
Brontès: the means do not matter.
Page 17
Seiya: And you, you know the objective…
Seiya: Or rather… the plan of the gods?
Brontès: To oppose the divine invasions of the holy wars…
Brontès: humans implored the assistance of the goddess Athena.
Brontès: She gathered powerful people at the Sanctuary in order to fight the gods.
Brontès: She gave them techniques and trained their body and their heart.
Brontès: Among them, those who had a strong will awakened in them the power at the origin of the creation of the universe, the Cosmos.
Brontès: They became beings capable of opening the earth with their feet and slitting the skies with their fists.
Brontès: So the gods got what they wanted.
Page 18
Brontès: The production of Saints.
Brontès: This was the plan of the gods.
Seiya: They themselves created beings capable of fighting them ?!
Seiya: If they want to take over Earth, it doesn't make sense !!
Brontès: By invading Earth, they give humans the will to fight.
Brontès: Earth is only the motivation that drives mortals to fight.
Brontès: From the start, the world where the gods live has been out of step with the Earth. It is a land full of power.
Brontès: It is made of solid and unwavering materials.
Page 19
Brontès: Robust materials like the indestructible Orichalcum.
Brontès: No matter what external enemy presents itself, it fears absolutely nothing and will never tremble.
Seiya: Wait…
Seiya: What did you just say…?
Brontès: Recognize ...
Brontès: the world around you.
Seiya: It's not true !!!
Seiya: It's not possible !!!
Pages 20-21
Brontès: The world of the gods is entirely made…
Brontès: of the remains of Saints.
Page 22
Seiya: That's rubbish, this story… !!
Seiya: This… erosion… The world of the gods…
Seiya: You want me to believe that this is all made of the remains of the Saints? !!
Seiya: This is absurd !!!
Brontès: Without that…
Brontès: the gods would not have granted you this favor of fighting against them.
Brontès: For the gods, you, the Saints…
Brontès: are only materials chosen to build a robust earth.
Page 23
Brontès: Since mythological times, holy wars have been repeated over and over again…
Brontès: to firmly extend the absolute world of the gods.
Brontès: Humans are just offerings.
Seiya: Why ?!
Seiya: Why did you tell me this?
Page 24
Seiya: You revealed to me the machinations of the gods when I am a Saint, an enemy ?!
Seiya: Who are you, in the end ?!
Brontès: I am…
Brontès: the origin.
Brontès: The starting point…
Brontès: who started the holy war of your generation.
Page 01
Ages: Only the statue of Athena continues to oppose ...
Ages: to the forced transformation of the Sanctuary into Pandemonium.
Argès: As if it reflected your own heart.
Pages 02-03
Argès: But… how long will this Dunamis last?
Argès: By receiving the karma of humans in your own body…
Argès: You condemn your goddess flesh to destruction.
Argès: You believed in them. Result: they betrayed you.
Argès: Thus leading you to despair.
Argès: Despair is the only power capable of killing Athena.
Argès: Roll your eyes.
Page 04
Argès: Despair has returned…
Argès: to destroy your soul.
Saori: It's not… possible?
Saori: Oh no…
Saori: This being is at the origin of everything.
Page 05
Saori: An unexpected encounter that should absolutely not be allowed.
Saori: Seiya… You must not meet the "starting point"!
Seiya: Why? I don't know this guy. Her voice… Her air…
Seiya: And her Cosmos… don't mean anything to me.
Seiya: So… why? Why is my heart so upset?
Page 06
Seiya: In front of me stand firmly…
Seiya: this black cloak and this red glow…
Seiya: which make my soul and my Cosmos tremble.
Seiya: This guy and I are linked by fate !!!
Page 07
Seiya: The corpse disappears ?!
Seiya: So this guy is indeed free to do dimensional jumps, even in the heart of the Sanctuary !!!
Seiya: Is he disappearing ?!
Seiya: Wait !! Where do you know my name from ?!
Page 08
Seiya: He's attacking me ?!
Seiya: From this far ?!
Page 09
Seiya: His fist…
Seiya: ignored the distance…
Seiya: by performing a dimensional jump ?!
Pages 10-11
Brontès: MUGEN KOUDOU (infinite crimson way (of light)
Seiya: He multiplied to infinity…
Seiya: only one attack ?!
Page 12
Seiya: What is ...?
Page 13
Seiya: What surprises you? You can't get rid of me that easily.
Seiya: It's only just getting started.
Seiya: So, what are you going to show me next? I look forward !
Brontès: In that case ...
Brontès: Let's talk a little ...
Seiya: I'm in a hurry, I have no time to waste.
Brontès: You want to save Athena.
Page 14
Brontès: You must know the reason which pushes you to continue the fight.
Brontès: Why were the holy wars repeated over and over again…
Brontès: during the long history of the Sanctuary?
Seiya: To prevent any invasion…
Seiya: We have always shed our blood to protect the world…
Seiya: Earth… and its inhabitants !!
Brontès: In that case, why do the gods fight and shed their blood ...
Brontès: to get your hands on this planet?
Page 15
Seiya: They want so they will have to fight to seize!
Seiya: Because this world is beautiful and wonderful!
Brontès: What pride.
Brontès: It is the height of arrogance to think that this Earth looks magnificent in the eyes of the gods.
Brontès: In the name of its development, humanity has polluted the Earth.
Brontès: It's a nuisance for the gods.
Brontès: Earth is no longer a place in quarantine for the exclusive use of humanity. An abomination.
Page 16
Brontès: The gods are not interested in such a place.
Brontès: Our behavior and our objective are opposed.
Brontès: Our goal is to continue to provoke holy wars.
Seiya: The outcome of a holy war does not matter…
Seiya: You wish to continue an eternal war… ?!
Brontès: The gods are insatiable beings.
Brontès: What the gods want, they get…
Brontès: the means do not matter.
Page 17
Seiya: And you, you know the objective…
Seiya: Or rather… the plan of the gods?
Brontès: To oppose the divine invasions of the holy wars…
Brontès: humans implored the assistance of the goddess Athena.
Brontès: She gathered powerful people at the Sanctuary in order to fight the gods.
Brontès: She gave them techniques and trained their body and their heart.
Brontès: Among them, those who had a strong will awakened in them the power at the origin of the creation of the universe, the Cosmos.
Brontès: They became beings capable of opening the earth with their feet and slitting the skies with their fists.
Brontès: So the gods got what they wanted.
Page 18
Brontès: The production of Saints.
Brontès: This was the plan of the gods.
Seiya: They themselves created beings capable of fighting them ?!
Seiya: If they want to take over Earth, it doesn't make sense !!
Brontès: By invading Earth, they give humans the will to fight.
Brontès: Earth is only the motivation that drives mortals to fight.
Brontès: From the start, the world where the gods live has been out of step with the Earth. It is a land full of power.
Brontès: It is made of solid and unwavering materials.
Page 19
Brontès: Robust materials like the indestructible Orichalcum.
Brontès: No matter what external enemy presents itself, it fears absolutely nothing and will never tremble.
Seiya: Wait…
Seiya: What did you just say…?
Brontès: Recognize ...
Brontès: the world around you.
Seiya: It's not true !!!
Seiya: It's not possible !!!
Pages 20-21
Brontès: The world of the gods is entirely made…
Brontès: of the remains of Saints.
Page 22
Seiya: That's rubbish, this story… !!
Seiya: This… erosion… The world of the gods…
Seiya: You want me to believe that this is all made of the remains of the Saints? !!
Seiya: This is absurd !!!
Brontès: Without that…
Brontès: the gods would not have granted you this favor of fighting against them.
Brontès: For the gods, you, the Saints…
Brontès: are only materials chosen to build a robust earth.
Page 23
Brontès: Since mythological times, holy wars have been repeated over and over again…
Brontès: to firmly extend the absolute world of the gods.
Brontès: Humans are just offerings.
Seiya: Why ?!
Seiya: Why did you tell me this?
Page 24
Seiya: You revealed to me the machinations of the gods when I am a Saint, an enemy ?!
Seiya: Who are you, in the end ?!
Brontès: I am…
Brontès: the origin.
Brontès: The starting point…
Brontès: who started the holy war of your generation.
What kind of fanfic did I just read?
- The gods do not want to conquer the Earth, and they really cause the holy war, because they use the remains / corpses of the Saints as material for their world. Someone should remind the gods that the bodies of the Saints are not stronger than their armor.
- Brontes is probably Aiolos, Saga or it can even be Kido.
- Poseidon does not want the planet, his goal is to purify the world, as he did in the past. It is only the whim of a god who considers that humanity has abandoned its path and wishes to correct it. In short, he is the representation of the god of the Old Testament in the universe of Saint Seiya.
- Hades does not want the planet, his goal was to punish humanity in life and death, because from his point of view it is corrupt and must be punished. In short, he is a racist.
- Eris does not want the planet, the goddess' plan is to create conflict in the world, because the goddess needs that conflict to exist, as explained, she cannot exist in a peaceful world.
- Chronos and Artemis have no interest in Earth or humans.
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he’s overcome a lot of miracle bullshit then
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Our of that generation of Gold Saints I can believe it
