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As the title suggests, this thread is for the purpose of proposing and discussing a potential applicable multiplier for Sage Mode users. I'm doing this now because last time we discussed it amidst the AP revisions it took up a lot of precious time, and in the end we didn't really reach any conclusions. So I thought it would be more efficient to just squash this debate separately here, as a sort of precursor for the upcoming AP revisions round 9000 in 5 more years at this rate...
Anyway, this won't be long since the topic is relatively short and sweet, so let's dive right into it!
First thing we need to know, is that we have an accepted 10x multiplier for the 2nd state of the Cursed Mark via this statement made by Jirobo-Sama.
How does this relate to Sage Mode? I'll get to that shortly, but first I'll establish a small scaling chain.
Juugo, the source of the Curse Mark's power, stated that Sasuke's mastery over it is very good, and that he hasn't seen a "copycat this good since Kimimaro". This clearly indicates that Kimimaro and Sasuke's usage of the Curse Mark is better than that of the Sound Four (which obviously includes Jirobo), but still somewhat below that of the original's being Juugo. This is supported by Orochimaru stating that Sasuke has especially good compatibility with Juugo's CM, which was reiterated on a number of other occasions as well.
Long story short, the 10x multiplier is clearly somewhat of a low-end as Sasuke and Juugo are far superior to the likes of Jirobo when it comes to using the CM, meaning they comfortably scale to it.
The most important thing to note is that the CM functions in the same way as Sage Mode, it utilizes Senjustu and amplifies the user's physical capabilites by absorbing Nature Energy, but most importantly both Kabuto and Orochimaru recognized the CM as an inferior version of Sage Mode seeing as how they referred to it as the "Origin" and "Source" of that power, meaning it is more than likely superior to the CM if not comparable to it at the very least. This is again further supported by Kabuto mentioning that Orochimaru sought this power for himself, even though he had the CM's power at his disposal, but failed to obtain it due to not being strong enough. Kabuto also claimed to have finally surpassed Orochimaru thanks to becoming a Perfect Sage, which Orochimaru failed to accomplish. So clearly, Sage Mode is portrayed to be the source behind the CM's powers and is more than likely far superior to it, or AT THE VERY LEAST comparable to it.
In conclusion, Sage Mode should scale to or above the Second Stage of the Curse Mark's 10x Power increase due to functioning the same way, having the same energy source, and being heavily implied to be far superior to it.
Anyway, this won't be long since the topic is relatively short and sweet, so let's dive right into it!
First thing we need to know, is that we have an accepted 10x multiplier for the 2nd state of the Cursed Mark via this statement made by Jirobo-Sama.
How does this relate to Sage Mode? I'll get to that shortly, but first I'll establish a small scaling chain.
Juugo, the source of the Curse Mark's power, stated that Sasuke's mastery over it is very good, and that he hasn't seen a "copycat this good since Kimimaro". This clearly indicates that Kimimaro and Sasuke's usage of the Curse Mark is better than that of the Sound Four (which obviously includes Jirobo), but still somewhat below that of the original's being Juugo. This is supported by Orochimaru stating that Sasuke has especially good compatibility with Juugo's CM, which was reiterated on a number of other occasions as well.
Long story short, the 10x multiplier is clearly somewhat of a low-end as Sasuke and Juugo are far superior to the likes of Jirobo when it comes to using the CM, meaning they comfortably scale to it.
The most important thing to note is that the CM functions in the same way as Sage Mode, it utilizes Senjustu and amplifies the user's physical capabilites by absorbing Nature Energy, but most importantly both Kabuto and Orochimaru recognized the CM as an inferior version of Sage Mode seeing as how they referred to it as the "Origin" and "Source" of that power, meaning it is more than likely superior to the CM if not comparable to it at the very least. This is again further supported by Kabuto mentioning that Orochimaru sought this power for himself, even though he had the CM's power at his disposal, but failed to obtain it due to not being strong enough. Kabuto also claimed to have finally surpassed Orochimaru thanks to becoming a Perfect Sage, which Orochimaru failed to accomplish. So clearly, Sage Mode is portrayed to be the source behind the CM's powers and is more than likely far superior to it, or AT THE VERY LEAST comparable to it.
In conclusion, Sage Mode should scale to or above the Second Stage of the Curse Mark's 10x Power increase due to functioning the same way, having the same energy source, and being heavily implied to be far superior to it.
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