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RWBY Volume 8 CRT - First Half

Community_Gamer said:
I don't. Only when there's reason to believe she's performing greater than she normally would. In that scene Penny tries pushing it and then she activates the the power...then her flames turn blue and they get larger as well. So we presume she's using her powers amplify herself.
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That...just supports what hes asking

Her eyes start glowing and then her flames get stronger as she is using her maiden powers to amp herself

But the 7-C calc came from when she wasnt using them
 
Community_Gamer said:
Yeah but activation =/= physical amp. Also they can use the powers without eye flame active. So that's another reason shouldn't use activation alone.
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It does though, in all of the fights weve seen involving Maidens there has always been a distinct difference in power between when they are actively using maiden powers vs when their powers are not being used

And no, they cant bcause as per both the show and the guidebook the eyes glowing are the indication that they are using their maiden powers
Community_Gamer said:
I don't see how it could but I don't really care about the calc. Anyway I explained in my other comment.
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Because she was moving the stadium without the use of her maiden powers?
 
WeeklyBattles said:
It does though, in all of the fights weve seen involving Maidens there has always been a distinct difference in power between when they are actively using maiden powers vs when their powers are not being used
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Please prove this. FYI this will take you a while seeing as it's a massive burden of proof. Go through every single fight with a Maiden and prove that every time they active eye's they're qualitatively superior to without. You can start with episode 1.
WeeklyBattles said:
And no, they cant bcause as per both the show and the guidebook the eyes glowing are the indication that they are using their maiden powers
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So....these people have multiple semblances or what? This happens all the time with Cinder does it all the time.
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This one Cinder combined her semblance and magic (as she does all the time).
The semblance makes the blade and explosion, the magic creates the flame.
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Community_Gamer said:
Please prove this. FYI this will take you a while seeing as it's a massive burden of proof. Go through every single fight with a Maiden and prove that every time they active eye's they're qualitatively superior to without. You can start with episode 1.
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Can do, gimme a little bit.
Community_Gamer said:
So....these people have multiple semblances or what? This happens all the time with Cinder does it all the time.
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Not sure what youre referring to in the Neo vs Cinder fight, Cinder's semblance is literally the ability to superheat stuff she touches including her hands. As for the Penny clip it was already decided that it was residual wind from when she summoned and manipulated it seconds before.
Community_Gamer said:
This one Cinder combined her semblance and magic (as she does all the time).

The semblance makes the blade and explosion, the magic creates the flame.
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Scans that it is her magic? Because like i said before it is literally her semblance to superheat material and her weapon consists of Dust that she superheats into weaponry, much like what you see in the clip.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Can do, gimme a little bit.

Not sure what youre referring to in the Neo vs Cinder fight, Cinder's semblance is literally the ability to superheat stuff she touches including her hands. As for the Penny clip it was already decided that it was residual wind from when she summoned and manipulated it seconds before.

Scans that it is her magic? Because like i said before it is literally her semblance to superheat material and her weapon consists of Dust that she superheats into weaponry, much like what you see in the clip.
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We see Cinder use her semblance it's not creating flames from my hands. These aren't the only instances either.

This is her semblance, she doesn't create flames. And she superheats objects, not herself. Even if she did it wouldn't create a flame.
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Residual wind? Wtf? She didn't make a tornado and it was still spinning she just blasted wind. And it was there until she got grabbed by Elm. The wind wouldn't still be circulating the room, and even if it was it wouldn't be at the same rate. She's just maintaining it from before or continuously creating more. Doesn't really matter which.
 
Community_Gamer said:
Pay attention. The light fills then and she ******* covering her eyes. And THEN she's holding her damn arm in pain and roaring in anger? Where's the dodge? She just left before it was finished.
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I find that really, really hard to believe seeing as just being exposed to a weaker version of the Silver eyes brought her to her knees in pain
 
Community_Gamer said:
It doesn't matter if you find that hard to believe. Oh, can you prove it's weaker? (Especially since she's been training to improve it)
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Yes? The instance used during th battle of haven was done with no training whatsoever, Ruby still didnt even know what the Silver Eyes were and had no control over them, whereas the other instance was after Ruby had been training for months to be able to use them under maria's tutelage, so yes it makes sense that the version used during the battle of haven is weaker than the version used in atlas
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Yes? The instance used during th battle of haven was done with no training whatsoever, Ruby still didnt even know what the Silver Eyes were and had no control over them, whereas the other instance was after Ruby had been training for months to be able to use them under maria's tutelage, so yes it makes sense that the version used during the battle of haven is weaker than the version used in atlas
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That doesn't actually prove your claim. Can you demonstrate in a qualitative manner that it was weaker? ALSO, you have still yet to respond to the fact that you see her getting hit by it. I don't see a dodge.
 
Community_Gamer said:
That doesn't actually prove your claim. Can you demonstrate in a qualitative manner that it was weaker?
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I mean if you need more proof, Ruby's inital use of it in the series fully petrified the Wyvern and destroyed Cinder's arm and half her face. The use from the battle of Haven only caused her severe pain but no significant damage. After training with Maria for a while her silver eyes under partial control almost completely petrified the Leviathan. The instance being used here is after training with Maria again for at least weeks if not months.
Community_Gamer said:
ALSO, you have still yet to respond to the fact that you see her getting hit by it. I don't see a dodge.
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Then how exactly did she get away without being killed or at the very least incapacitated?
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Then how exactly did she get away without being killed?

Direct exposure to the Silver Eyes cost her an arm and half her face before, and partial exposure immobilized her to the point that Jaune of all people was able to get an attack in edgewise
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I don't actually have to explain that to fulfill my burden but I'll humor it. Look she could've gotten stronger so that it less affect. Or it simply wasn't as strong as the one in at Haven. After all, not every SE usage isn't equal because Ruby can't control the abilities within it. Or maybe she wasn't exposed long enough. I don't care really.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
I mean if you need more proof, Ruby's inital use of it in the series fully petrified the Wyvern and destroyed Cinder's arm and half her face. The use from the battle of Haven only caused her severe pain but no significant damage.
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That doesn't necessarily mean one was less potent than the other.
WeeklyBattles said:
After training with Maria for a while her silver eyes under partial control almost completely petrified the Leviathan. The instance being used here is after training with Maria again for at least weeks if not months.

Then how exactly did she get away without being killed or at the very least incapacitated?
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You do know she wasn't really training right. It literally just a trial by fire. She simply understood the mechanics in V6 rather than being unaware. And even in V7 she failed the first time she tried to use it. Later on against Cinder, she did use it successfully but their no way to determine that power itself has improved since used it last.
 
Anyways, going through these fights im noticing an interesting pattern, technically speaking both of us are right in our assumptions. There are actually a few instances of the Maidens using magic without activating their maiden powers, which leads me to believe that they are able to use weaker versions of their magic without fully activating their maiden powers, similar to Qrow having minor magic. Theres no real point in posting Raven vs Cinder as they were visibly using their active maiden powers the entire time and as you pointed out already, Cinder was able to use that small ice magic attack without using her full powers, and Raven was able to call down a lightning strike without activating her full maiden powers either.



The first fight i'll go through is Amber vs Cinder and co. Before we go through this completely just make a note that Amber's weapon uses wind dust and fire dust just to clarify as there are instances of her using those instead of her magic.

Right at the start of the fight Amber is able to use small forcefields and has to move her hands to control where they are, but when her maiden powers are active at 2:28 the barrier is all around her. The notable thing though is the difference in power between her normal and maiden self. Without the maiden powers active Merc and Emerald were able to fight her pretty easily in cqc, her only getting an upper hand due to being able to zone them out with her dust attacks, but with her Maiden powers active she takes them out almost instantly (2:38 and 3:42).

But Amber isnt super skilled with hr maiden powers so maybe this is an outlier? Lets look at Cinder vs Neo next:



As you pointed out, Cinder does seemingly use her magic to set her fist on fire (1:07) as well as to shoot a small fireball (1:36) and then upon activating her maiden powers at 2:08 Neo immediately gets blown back and notices the gap in their power as just seconds before they were fighting on even grounds when cinder's powers were not active. Note that the same thing happens when Cinder confronts Adam about joining her after she gets the Maiden powers.

Next up is Cinder vs Winter and Penny:



Right off the bat Cinder fights on equal footing with Penny and Winter and then the second the activates her maiden powers she casually overpowers both of them simultaneously, especially at 5:20 when she immediately starts dominating Winter in cqc with hr maiden powers. Cinder also uses partial maiden powers to fly but then activates them fully to do anything else at the same time as flying with her being again fought on par with by winter and penny while she is just flying but then going so far as to basically oneshot winter with her full maiden powers.

Now Penny vs the Ace Ops:



Penny opens the fight with full maiden powers, her wind summoned with this casually blowing the ace ops away to the point that harriet's semblance can barely overcome it and elm needs her semblance to not be blown off the platform. Her eyes then stop glowing causing the wind to die down a bit but still exist and Harriet can move freely with her semblance. Then at 1:48 Elm grabs her and the wind dies down completely only for Penny to activate her powers fully and blow the entire team away again.

And now for Penny vs Cinder:



Starting from 1:20, Cinder is using hr maiden powers while Penny is not and each hit Cinder lands on her causes her to audibly cry out, whereas later on Penny using her maiden powers is able to fight on par enough with Cinder to throw her away and then laser blast her to incapacitation.

The conclusion? Maidens are able to use minor magic without fully activating their Maiden powers but they dont get a strength amp unless their full powers are active.
 
Hey I’m back. And after taking yesterday to sit down and think, I still don’t agree with MHS Rwby, but I know I’m not convincing other people either and bring it up again would just be a stressful mess. I know I can sometimes be very stubborn and so I just want to say better if I just drop the subject and have it slightly annoy me later, rather than inconveniencing everyone else and having a conversation that goes nowhere.
 
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Malachite Twins

Malachite Twins is a 7-aura unit in RWBY: Amity Arena. Unlocked at Beacon Academy Tower, Malachite Twins is a melee unit that swaps around to fight longer. [2] A melee unit that swaps around to fight longer. The Malachite Twins are the true bouncers of Junior's club. How do we know? Because Yang...
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I love how Amaty Arena lowkey implies that if Melanie and Miltia were fighting more seriously they could have potentially beaten Yang
 
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