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Just like the simulations. It's all according to plan.We're trying to get this revision done before the new season starts, and this is only one of like four or five planned for the next three days
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Just like the simulations. It's all according to plan.We're trying to get this revision done before the new season starts, and this is only one of like four or five planned for the next three days
What do you think of the new arguments?Four pages of discussion while I was asleep... I didn't expect this to be such a busy topic.
Can you give a brief run down?What in the absolute ****.
How did you guys get 2 pages of talking with no one even arguing against you. It’s literally 2 pages of you guys just talking to each other. ******* hell man.
I’ll have an argument up eventually today, I have numerous issues with all points presented.
That is going to be in the revision yesAlso, we should really bump the Gods up to uni for the heavily implied Uni creation.
Nice.That is going to be in the revision yes
Thing is magic can 100% still be light as is the case with verses like Fairy Tail and Black CloverBut I think King's main argument would probably be that the Silver Eyes can't be natural light due to its magical properties. Which is fair, however, as stated by multiple characters in the series, it is straight-up light. Maria even says so. And, again, it's source is the literal God of Light, the man who created the concept of Light to begun with. Even with it's magical properties, there is nothing suggesting that it does not work like real light as well. Heck, it's basically a giant flashbang.
No.Can you give a brief run down?
Are you mad that we talked more about the calcs after you and Rusty were gone? Because anyone else in the thread also had the opportunity to raise objections to what we were saying.No.
You guys want to shove as much stuff at your opposition before they can respond as you can? Then I’ll respond to it all. I’m not about to have someone speaking false about what I’m arguing when I’m not here.
Expect me back in a few hours after work.
I put most of my arguments in that mini RWBY Silver eyes post thing. I can combine that with the calcs and the examples.Should we summarize what was discussed so they dont have to go through 3-4 pages of arguments and discussions?
Here is Cinder reacting to and moving before Ruby's light reaches her.
Its not the shapes that is being used, its the omnidirectional light that emanates from her when she uses the silver eyes that is being usedThis isn't valid. Ruby's "light" is shaped into two large wing-like shapes pouring from her eyes instead of shooting in a straight light like a beam. Even if we accepted that they were composed of light, there is no reason to think that the shapes of light she is emitting is travelling at lightspeed.
Every other instance of her eyes doing the silver eyes should be good though, right?This isn't valid. Ruby's "light" is shaped into two large wing-like shapes pouring from her eyes instead of shooting in a straight light like a beam. Even if we accepted that they were composed of light, there is no reason to think that the shapes of light she is emitting is travelling at lightspeed.
That was kinda recondedThis isn't valid. Ruby's "light" is shaped into two large wing-like shapes pouring from her eyes instead of shooting in a straight light like a beam. Even if we accepted that they were composed of light, there is no reason to think that the shapes of light she is emitting is travelling at lightspeed.
This is the one and only piece of evidence brought forth for Hard Light Dust being light speed. Through Velvet’s camera.
This is likely the most ridiculous statement yet, so allow me to break down exactly what Maria is implying.But I think King's main argument would probably be that the Silver Eyes can't be natural light due to its magical properties. Which is fair, however, as stated by multiple characters in the series, it is straight-up light. Maria even says so. And, again, its source is the literal God of Light, the man who created the concept of Light to begun with. Even with its magical properties, there is nothing suggesting that it does not work like real light as well. Heck, it's basically a giant flashbang.
6-C actually comes from this featBesides that I’ve also heard that the 6-C calc is faulty due to the vaporization of the cloud mass and not the water content since that was brought up earlier.
Burden of proof is on you to prove its not light, literally 70% of this thread was arguing that all you need is a statement of light being directly stated to be light for it to be considered lightspeedWould also like to add to the Ruby silver eyes argument. I think it is entirely wrong to assume Ruby’s eyes are literal lightspeed. Sure it’s like a flash of light and originate from the god of light but as King () mentioned there’s nothing to suggest that title means actual light and not just “fancy name for good guy”. Not to mention they’ve barely shown up and have little to no statements on them nor do they show properties of light.
Not sure why youre bringing up an AP feat in a speed revision threadBesides that I’ve also heard that the 6-C calc is faulty due to the vaporization of the cloud mass and not the water content since that was brought up earlier.
In the creation myth, they state the dragon who floating through the universe seprated himself into the God of Light and Shadow, thus their creation literally made those concepts.Would also like to add to the Ruby silver eyes argument. I think it is entirely wrong to assume Ruby’s eyes are literal lightspeed. Sure it’s like a flash of light and originate from the god of light but as King () mentioned there’s nothing to suggest that title means actual light and not just “fancy name for good guy”. Not to mention they’ve barely shown up and have little to no statements on them nor do they show properties of light.
Besides that I’ve also heard that the 6-C calc is faulty due to the vaporization of the cloud mass and not the water content since that was brought up earlier.
Light Magic needs evidence of being Light speed. You're ignoring context and just stating that because it's called Light it must be true Light speed because the source of the powers also created light. That's not how that works, evidence needs go be produced for her specific brand of completely different light to be the same speed as natural light.I'm just gonna state that, if something is called light in the lore and is made by the God of made all the natural light in the universe and then gifted it to humanity, then reasonable to assume it moves at natural light. Again, this just goes back to whole laser argument just the name and the implications are enough. Except, at this point, we are questioning whether light is really moving at lightspeed.
No, it's on you to prove that it's light speed. That's why criteria exist. Silver eyes having a trace back to the guy who made light doesn't make them light speed, as natural light and light magic are totally different things. The light of the silver eyed warriors is specifically used to counter Grimm, a counterbalance to "darkness." Prove Magic Light from the silver eyes is the same as natural light, that is your stance.Burden of proof is on you to prove its not light, literally 70% of this thread was arguing that all you need is a statement of light being directly stated to be light for it to be considered lightspeed
Not sure why youre bringing up an AP feat in a speed revision thread
It doesn't matter if he made natural light. It matters if Magic Light, gifted to silver eyed people, moves at the same speed as natural light. Which is contentious, since it not only is never implied, but the light of silver eyes is only ever referred to in opposition of the Grimm. They are not literally light, they are Magic, and thus need to meet criteria.In the creation myth, they state the dragon who floating through the universe seprated himself into the God of Light and Shadow, thus their creation literally made those concepts.
Him representing good puts more doubt on people inheriting his powers literally having light speed attacks. As I specified, criteria needs to be met. Just having the name is not enough. The "light" from silver eyes is Magic, fueled by emotion, not at all natural or comparable to real light. The "light" they emit is a attack of life preservation, intended to destroy darkness/Grimm. It is not the same as the natural light from the sun.The God of Light, while also representing good, also literally represents light. Shadows and darkness, while of course meaning bad stuff, are also the literal dictonomy of light.
It does. It does. It doesName does not equal evidence. Name does not equal evidence. Name does not equal evidence.
I will repeat this as many times as necessary
Correct.It does. It does. It does
Say it as many times as you like, that doesnt make you right.