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RWBY General Revision Thread

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Also penny was just used her maiden powers to amp herself to lift it faster and keep it stable and only stopped when she was being hacked. Neo didn't get one shot by penny, she fought the old lady and actually took hits from her and used her ship as a ram with her inside it
 
Where’s the recalc? Cause I recall the storm feat being high 7-C last time I checked.

The ship didn’t do anything to Neo and she only had a couple hits taken which didn’t affect her aura, and she was going to kill Maria only for Penny to oneshot her and lose her aura in the process.
 
Mercury and Emerald's auras withstood a few direct hits from Amber, so did Winter and Penny agaist Cinder
to lesser xtents theres:
Weiss vs The Arma Gigas (An over 3x gap)
Weiss and Yang vs Flynt and Neon (4x gap due to Flynt's semblance)
Team RNJR vs Tyrian
Ren, Nora, and Oscar vs Hazel
Yang vs Adam
Ruby and co. vs The Atlesian Colossus
also RWBY ad RNJR vs the hydra taijitu
 
basically look at RNJR vs Tyrian
thats a prime example of aura durability
litrally showing closeups of their aura blocking the hits but the charactrs in question still getting hurt badly by them

it can oneshot the person themselves yes but their aura itself can still take the hit
and since its entirely possible to knock people out through their aura its also entirely possible for someone to get killed by a hard enough hit while their aura is still up as evidenced by Vine

none of their auras go down, with Emerald having enough aura to put an illusion on Cider's face and thn make all three of them invisible
 
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Winter and Penny was a bit differnt as Winter usd her semblance quite a bit and took a significant amount of hits from base Cinder before she even used her maiden powers, whereas Merc and Emerald dodged a lot of Amber's hits and were only really hit by her AoE maiden attacks
which in turn brought thm down without breaking their auras
as Aura doesnt mitigate pain, only damage
so they still feel the pain of being blasted by attacks absurdly stronger than themselves they just dont take actual physical damage
but attacks above a certain threshold can severly injure and even kill the user through their aura
 
as for his second point, any hit taken brings down aura, again even fodder 8-C grimm can bring down aura with enough hits so yes, both the ship crash and the fight with maria would have brought Neo's aura down, plus the laser that Penny used on Neo was the significantly more powerful focused beam that we currently acknowledge as being well above her base tier
Because Penny's beam is listed as "higher" then her ap
 
That recalc has a lot of things being questioned by DMUA so I'm pretty skeptical on that being accepted.

Where did it show them being hurt badly when they don't have any visible injury? Especially when Qrow vs Tyrian showed their aura draining and both of them actually take some major damage in the end?

Vine's aura being active despite being knocked out is a MASSIVE contradiction to how Aura's supposed to be used, where are you getting this headcanon that this is how Aura works when Ren even explains you need to concentrate when generating an aura? Something you need to do while conscious?

Emerald is NOT your best example to use when in Volume 8 she flat out admits that she cannot beat Penny on her own, and the only major advantage they had against the Fall Maiden is a girl who can drain maiden powers at will.

Do you understand what you're arguing here? if 8-C Grimm can damage your aura and break it that contradicts them being 7-B in the first place. That's textbook definition of an outlier.
 
I mean fair enough on the recalc, maybe call DMUA to clarify



The aura flickers you see on Ruby's body canonically indicate extremely heavy hits, on top of the final kick basically incapping her as she's left on the ground unable to get up or fight, fairly indicative of her taking damage.



He wasnt knocked out though? He was conscious until he died, his aura faded immediately when he was killed



Correction, he says you need to focus when making an aura when you are first learning how to use it. After you learn how to use it properly it becomes second nature, not requiring focus to use.

Cool? No one is arguing that she could beat Amber on her own either, hell Amber nearly killed both of them.

It really doesnt as their aura functions on a health bar that blocks damage to a set cap, not a single unit of durability that is undamaged by weaker attacks.
 
Right, I'm back.

Since we're tackling Aura, I want to start with Flynt's feat. It is the only instance that any character in the series does a legitimate multiplier and another character tanks it. That character being Yang, physically the strongest member of the team. This is completely ignoring the fact that Flynt's weapon doesn't even seem to do physical damage to anyone. It looks like the weapon just pushes people back, and he even used it on Yang when Neon was fighting her. Why would he use a damaging weapon on his own teammate? It just doesn't make sense.

On the topic of the 7-B bomb, it is complete outlier or does not scale to anyone else. Need I remind everyone that Aura is a very inconsistent thing and characters can get one-shot like Yang was by Neo at the end of the 8th Volume. Aura being slightly above AP I general is fine with me. But we can't just give everyone the same durability for one character's feats.
 
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That recalc has a lot of things being questioned by DMUA so I'm pretty skeptical on that being accepted.

Where did it show them being hurt badly when they don't have any visible injury? Especially when Qrow vs Tyrian showed their aura draining and both of them actually take some major damage in the end?

Vine's aura being active despite being knocked out is a MASSIVE contradiction to how Aura's supposed to be used, where are you getting this headcanon that this is how Aura works when Ren even explains you need to concentrate when generating an aura? Something you need to do while conscious?

Emerald is NOT your best example to use when in Volume 8 she flat out admits that she cannot beat Penny on her own, and the only major advantage they had against the Fall Maiden is a girl who can drain maiden powers at will.

Do you understand what you're arguing here? if 8-C Grimm can damage your aura and break it that contradicts them being 7-B in the first place. That's textbook definition of an outlier.
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I’m about to head to work so I won’t be able to reply until tomorrow, but the issues DMUA found were in the original, specifically the CAPE end. After being redone, it was looked at by Jasonsith who said it was fine to use.

Hope that helps.
 
@Spinoirr She does get up to fight though, she literally tries to aim and fire at Tyrian during his fight with Qrow and is the person who amputated his tail.

Ok? That doesn’t really change the fact that it’s a massive outlier given the characters couldn’t withstand much weaker blows.

Using something by second nature does not debunk the fact that you need some form of focus to activate it, it just means it’s a lot easier for you to perform that task.

So why are you arguing she scales to the maidens when Volume 8 has confirmation by herself that she cannot beat them?

That doesn’t debunk my point, if an 8-C character can deal enough damage to the aura that it depletes then it contradicts the aura being 7-B in the first place.

@SilentLyfe can you call DMUA as well to see if that end works too when you get the chance? Cause I don’t see him responding again in the recalc by Jason.
 
Okay so the first part you have a point, Flynt's weapon is weird i that its only ever shown to push people but at the same time thats not the only stated multiplier, theres still the Arma Gigas

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RWBY: Ozpin's Long Memory explosion and Ironwood's bomb

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See, here's the thing, its not a 7-B bomb, 7-B is the high end of the calc, the result for the calcs are High 7-C, Low 7-B, Low 7-B+, and 7-B the only reason 7-B is even on there is because we dont know which end of the calc to use, hence the listing of 'possibly'. And its really not inconsistent at all, the characters are consistently able to block hits from equal opponents and block a few hits from opponents of significantly higher standing. Also Yang wasnt oneshot by Neo, Yang's aura was already low from spending the whole previous day fighting on and off on top of activating her semblance which is stated to drain her aura significantly. And its not just on character's feats, Mercury, Emerald, Penny, and Winter, all have feats of taking hits a few direct hits from Maidens without their aura going down, all of which would put their aura durability cap at the same level as the bomb that Vine's aura contained, and all of which are consistent with Maiden level characters being strong enough to kill people through their aura with their sheer power.
 
Ironwoods aura straight broke, yet he had it back by the time he fought Winter. Yet Yang, who didn’t even have her aura broken, didn’t recharge her aura over a longer period of time? She had a very long time to rest before she was attacked by Neo.
 
How was she off guard. She’s the one that pushed Ruby out of the way. She should have been the most on guard out of everyone there.
 
Fair enough unless that was PiS or the fact neo is stronger then yang and ruby can fight neo without her aura brakeing by neo
 
It would be plot convenience rather pis (PIS only refers to character actions). Though I’m not sure if it would be an anti feat against aura or not. Because Neo one shot it, but Ruby doesn’t just get wrecked by Neo, even when her aura is shattered (volume 9 preview Neo fails to punch her to death). It also shows Neo can’t be stronger because even with a broken aura Ruby is defeating Neo in a fist fight (though I can’t remember if Neo’s aura broke or not, I don’t think it did). I would recheck but it’s midnight for me right now. I really need to fix my sleep schedule because it’s very messed up right now.
 
Theglassman12 said:
@Spinoirr She does get up to fight though, she literally tries to aim and fire at Tyrian during his fight with Qrow and is the person who amputated his tail.

Ok? That doesn’t really change the fact that it’s a massive outlier given the characters couldn’t withstand much weaker blows.

Using something by second nature does not debunk the fact that you need some form of focus to activate it, it just means it’s a lot easier for you to perform that task.

So why are you arguing she scales to the maidens when Volume 8 has confirmation by herself that she cannot beat them?

That doesn’t debunk my point, if an 8-C character can deal enough damage to the aura that it depletes then it contradicts the aura being 7-B in the first place.

@SilentLyfe can you call DMUA as well to see if that end works too when you get the chance? Cause I don’t see him responding again in the recalc by Jason.
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Messaged him on his wall. Just waiting for when he responds.
 
SilentLyfe said:
I’m about to head to work so I won’t be able to reply until tomorrow, but the issues DMUA found were in the original, specifically the CAPE end. After being redone, it was looked at by Jasonsith who said it was fine to use.

Hope that helps.
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Yeah I think it's fine
 
Yeah upgrade everyone who scales to penny, the ace ops, winter, ironwood LS to class G, upgrade the maidens, give Oscar, team JNR vol 7-8 keys with town level as well as put large town level+ with KE stored in the cane on Oscars profile and add into the weakness category that it must be built up to get to that point
 
Spinoirr said:
They should all probably scale though as they were all relative in power to one another
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That’s not exactly a reason for them all to be physically able to lift as much as each other or be able to restrain Penny.

Yang and the rest of team RWBY are comparable to each other but Blake couldn’t break out of Elm’s grasp either despite Yang being able to push her away.
 
I mean this seems like more of a case of AP being comparable but LS being different. I agree that those who have shown to restrain or hold back the characters that are specifically Class G should be Class G and the rest should just remain Class K
 
Spinoirr said:
I would recommend a "at least" or "probably" for them as they probably do scale but have no showings of it
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I'm fine with that for the rest of the cast. I do feel like certain characters should just remain Class K but if for the guys like the Ace Ops or team RWBY we put like "At least Class K, possibly Class G" cuz they may scale since they're all generally comparable to each other, just not as strong as Elm or Yang
 
Alright so I upgraded the Maidens, Oz and Salem. I left the Class as it is cause I wasn't sure if I'd mess up. If someone else could change that, I'd appreciate it.
 
Now we need to upgrade JNP, pennys base, Oscar, Hazel, cinders base with town level for vol 7-8 and talk about wither or not Hazel's "all dust" form should scale to Salem's AP
 
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