- 15,799
- 8,780
This is a revision thread that more or less covers all my problems and gripes with the current RWBY scaling. I will preface this by saying that the previous thread was not concluded in its entirety. However, it had gone on for 6 pages and was being derailed towards the end so I will include the last revision from that thread in this one.
The Queen Lancer
A point to be carried over from the previous thread. As of right now, the Haven Arc key for all pages scales to 8-A. The feat that got this tier as written on the pages was staggering the Atlesian Colossus. However, in the previous thread, this feat was deemed unusable for calcing and was set to be replaced with another calc. For clarity, I will explain how this new calculation got to 8-A. The calculation was for the feat of Weiss blowing up the side of a cliff with 3 fireballs of Dust. The result of that calculation was High 8-C+. Now the assumption was that a single canister of Dust would at the bare minimum need to hold enough Dust to store High 8-C+ worth of explosive power. This snowballs into a later feat of the Queen Lancer being able to take around 13 boxes of Dust exploding in her face, each box at the very least holding 5 canisters of red Dust. Using that as a direct multiplication in power, we arrive at 8-A.
Now, since then another calculation has surfaced that puts the explosion at 8-C. Not only does that put the above multiplier into question, but I would also like to bring up the fact that we don't do direct multiplication of power through the manual assessment of feats. That is to say, if a single object exploding gives us a set value, we don't multiply that value by however many objects we can count on screen. Not only does doing that set a bad precedent, but it can also sometimes be highly inaccurate. The best we can do is add an "At least <Insert Tier>, likely higher".
As such, I think that Haven Arc characters should get their 8-A tier removed, and a replacement tier should be discussed. I'm thinking At least High 8-C+, likely higher.
Class K
This is a concern brought up by @Abstractions and I am simply an intermediary regarding this point. As such it would be best if Abstractions herself could expand upon her gripes with this rating. Based on what she explained to me, early series characters should not have a Class K rating. She brings up the following quote:
"Weiss' default Glyph allows her to create a seemingly solid force, allowing Weiss to push whatever is within their influence. This Glyph usually appears white or pale blue. Weiss can stand on this Glyph, using it as a platform for various acrobatic movements, including breaking a free-fall and quickly reversing her motion by kicking off of it mid-air, as well as accelerating objects both through the air and over surfaces."
Given this, Abstractions goes on to say that "At the beginning of the scene where Ruby kills the Nevermore Weiss starts with a gravity glyph that Ruby is then propelled, she lines the wall with these and they are listed to accelerate objects which Ruby capitalizes on. Ruby is also firing Crescent Rose outwards, a gun with a recoil powerful enough to launch her, and uses it further propel herself up the cliff. And then at the end we see a burst of petals, indicating she also tapped into her semblance during this. It's not indicative of her true strength, but [REDACTED] would deny what's on Weiss's page and that Ruby can't use Crescent Rose at all with her Semblance, yet there being clips of her doing so on her page."
I agree with the sentiment above and think it should be discussed in further detail.
Aura Durability
This is a very arbitrary thing, but apparently every character's Aura is 4x their base durability. This is from a direct statement by @WeeklyBattles himself so I'm opening this section up for him to defend this point.
Personally I feel like Aura being able to tank anything agregiously above the characters' AP is outrageous to say the least. Things like scaling Yang's Aura to Vine's nuke containing feat when she got her Aura one-shotted by Neo raises eyebrows for me.
That should be all for now. Although there is also an ongoing thread about downgrading the cast's Lifting Strength to Class M. I think that conversation can be ported over to this thread if the OP so wishes.
The Queen Lancer
A point to be carried over from the previous thread. As of right now, the Haven Arc key for all pages scales to 8-A. The feat that got this tier as written on the pages was staggering the Atlesian Colossus. However, in the previous thread, this feat was deemed unusable for calcing and was set to be replaced with another calc. For clarity, I will explain how this new calculation got to 8-A. The calculation was for the feat of Weiss blowing up the side of a cliff with 3 fireballs of Dust. The result of that calculation was High 8-C+. Now the assumption was that a single canister of Dust would at the bare minimum need to hold enough Dust to store High 8-C+ worth of explosive power. This snowballs into a later feat of the Queen Lancer being able to take around 13 boxes of Dust exploding in her face, each box at the very least holding 5 canisters of red Dust. Using that as a direct multiplication in power, we arrive at 8-A.
Now, since then another calculation has surfaced that puts the explosion at 8-C. Not only does that put the above multiplier into question, but I would also like to bring up the fact that we don't do direct multiplication of power through the manual assessment of feats. That is to say, if a single object exploding gives us a set value, we don't multiply that value by however many objects we can count on screen. Not only does doing that set a bad precedent, but it can also sometimes be highly inaccurate. The best we can do is add an "At least <Insert Tier>, likely higher".
As such, I think that Haven Arc characters should get their 8-A tier removed, and a replacement tier should be discussed. I'm thinking At least High 8-C+, likely higher.
Class K
This is a concern brought up by @Abstractions and I am simply an intermediary regarding this point. As such it would be best if Abstractions herself could expand upon her gripes with this rating. Based on what she explained to me, early series characters should not have a Class K rating. She brings up the following quote:
"Weiss' default Glyph allows her to create a seemingly solid force, allowing Weiss to push whatever is within their influence. This Glyph usually appears white or pale blue. Weiss can stand on this Glyph, using it as a platform for various acrobatic movements, including breaking a free-fall and quickly reversing her motion by kicking off of it mid-air, as well as accelerating objects both through the air and over surfaces."
Given this, Abstractions goes on to say that "At the beginning of the scene where Ruby kills the Nevermore Weiss starts with a gravity glyph that Ruby is then propelled, she lines the wall with these and they are listed to accelerate objects which Ruby capitalizes on. Ruby is also firing Crescent Rose outwards, a gun with a recoil powerful enough to launch her, and uses it further propel herself up the cliff. And then at the end we see a burst of petals, indicating she also tapped into her semblance during this. It's not indicative of her true strength, but [REDACTED] would deny what's on Weiss's page and that Ruby can't use Crescent Rose at all with her Semblance, yet there being clips of her doing so on her page."
I agree with the sentiment above and think it should be discussed in further detail.
Aura Durability
This is a very arbitrary thing, but apparently every character's Aura is 4x their base durability. This is from a direct statement by @WeeklyBattles himself so I'm opening this section up for him to defend this point.
Personally I feel like Aura being able to tank anything agregiously above the characters' AP is outrageous to say the least. Things like scaling Yang's Aura to Vine's nuke containing feat when she got her Aura one-shotted by Neo raises eyebrows for me.
That should be all for now. Although there is also an ongoing thread about downgrading the cast's Lifting Strength to Class M. I think that conversation can be ported over to this thread if the OP so wishes.
