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Speaking of Grimm Eclipse, is that Canon? If so, I kinda want to add a Mutated Deathstalker Key to it's Page.
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Really? I must've missed it. Going back to the actual topic of Discussion, would this give V2 Blake 8-B Attacks via Dust since she practically stomped Roman by spamming the **** out of Dust Amped Semblance attacks and stuff?It is canon, and that's already a key on its page.
I know that, it's just that she still managed to knock him out by the end of it and the gap between their High 8-C Calc and the 8-B Roman Scales to means those Dust Attacks would have to be pretty close to his level to even faze him seeing as he did casually walk off an Atlesian Paladin getting shattered with him inside of it.Best not to rate their Volume 2 self whatsoever, since its in a weird inbetween.
They're stronger than High 8-C, but not as strong as their 8-B self. And Blake also caught Roman completely off guard with her new attacks.
I get that, all I said was make Blake's Dust Attacks 8-B. That was it.I need to learn and take my own advice it seems.
There is no point in making Volume 2 keys, as they're in between High 8-C and 8-B. They could be High 8-C+ or baseline 8-B, who really knows. The only reason we're making Volume 1 keys is because some characters scale to Pre Fall of Beacon RWBY and the High 8-C Nevermore.
Such as Cardin and his team, who aren't going to be 8-B for being easily stomped by Pyrrha and Penny.
I know. I'm just saying for it to be High 8-C, 8-B with her Dust Amped Semblance.Volume 1 Blake wouldn't scale to anything her Volume 2 self did.
Volume 3 Blake is already 8-B.
I'm still wondering about this.Would this thread also make the Mutated Deathstalker 8-B since it's currently rated as being able to Two-Shot Team RWBY's Auras?
This is better as there is gaps in the volumes where their keys separateSo we will have
"Beacon | Vytal Festival | post beacon/haven | post Haven Training | atlas"?
While those definitely can work, I feel like it might be best not to generalize a characters growth based on such an overarching thing like seasons, or in this case volumes, if they grow in the middle of that season. The two times this happen are in the middle of Volume 5 when they train in preparation which later on allowed Team RWBY and JNOR to finally be within Qrow's league when even back in early Volume 5 that wasn't the case, and early Volume 7 when they arrive on Atlas and receive training from the spec ops.I think the keys should be.
Volume 1 | Volume 2-3 | Volume 4 | Volume 5-6 | Volume 7-8
Agreed I like this formatBeacon | Vytal Festival | Post Beacon/Haven | Post Haven Training | Atlas
Yeah, that sounds good to me.
My initial issue with this scaling is Hazel.Here is a big list of characters who'd be affected by the changes.
I'd like some feedback, any suggestions on the wording of their scaling. Am I missing someone, or did I mess something up?
Also I did not label some keys that were just, stronger than before. That's why there are no Atlas keys for most characters, as it'd be pointless to write it all down.
Partial Arma Gigas is inferior to a Full Arma Gigas.My initial issue with this scaling is Hazel.
Dust Infused Hazel one shot the Queen lancer. He is vastly above it AP wise. However, he also was easily pierced by it through the stomach. So his durability is far lower than his AP, and is actually inferior to the Queen Lancer. So what does that mean for those scaling to hurting him?
Secondly, Vernal one shot the Gigas. The Gigas that should be stronger than the Queen Lancer was one shot by Raven’s lackey. Meaning Raven should be able to one shot, meaning Qrow should be able to one shot it. But by that train of logic, Qrow > one shots > Gigas > Lancer > Dust Infused Hazel Durability. But he got absolutely stomped on by Dust Infused Hazel.
Two words: piercing damage. Piercing damage let's you damage stuff more durable than your normal blunt force attacks.My initial issue with this scaling is Hazel.
Dust Infused Hazel one shot the Queen lancer. He is vastly above it AP wise. However, he also was easily pierced by it through the stomach. So his durability is far lower than his AP, and is actually inferior to the Queen Lancer. So what does that mean for those scaling to hurting him?
Secondly, Vernal one shot the Gigas. The Gigas that should be stronger than the Queen Lancer was one shot by Raven’s lackey. Meaning Raven should be able to one shot, meaning Qrow should be able to one shot it. But by that train of logic, Qrow > one shots > Gigas > Lancer > Dust Infused Hazel Durability. But he got absolutely stomped on by Dust Infused Hazel.
So Dust Infused Hazel is > himself somehow in this one shot chain.
These are my 2 issues with Queen Lancer scaling, as I brought up the last time this exact same calc and method were used.
I’m not saying I disagree with the calc or anything, but at least from my understanding, it creates hella problems in the scaling when it’s all coming from the Queen Lancer specifically.
When is it stated the partial is inferior in durability to the full? Genuine question since Vernal just easily sliced it in half.Partial Arma Gigas is inferior to a Full Arma Gigas.
Vernal stated that she wouldn't let Weiss take the easy way out, implying the Arma Gigas would've given her lots of trouble. And Weiss continued to try and summon the Arma Gigas despite Vernal so called one shotting it. It's very clear that had she summoned the knight it would've turn things around.
Yes, Vernal had seen her summon it before.
Hazel did not one shot the Queen Lancer, him and Leonardo had been fighting it for awhile offscreen. We have no idea how many attacks it took.
Hazel was impaled because it was confirmed his Aura was down during that time (Piercing Damage is a thing). They scale to Leonardo, who can harm the Queen Lancer with his attacks. Hazel is superior via the scaling he has against Qrow and the others. But he isn't on another existence from them, as Blake can knock him down.
And they are able to hold him off while offscreen.
I know about piercing damage, don’t reiterate it to me like I haven’t been in several RWBY discussions before. Only reason I bring it up is because Aura exists, but I forget his Aura is stupid/different or something and was down.Two words: piercing damage. Piercing damage let's you damage stuff more durable than your normal blunt force attacks.
Second, the queen lancer was massively amped due to jaune's semblance amping weiss, the arma gigas doesnt scale to the version of the queen lancer used in that fight
Also he was off guard as he had his back turned when he got stabbed (I guess Goku has wall level durability for getting a hole in his chest by a finger laser despite being off guard and getting hit by a laser that does piercing damage)
In that fight, the scaling chain would be dust amped hazel > amped queen lancer > vernal > arms gigas > normal queen lancer
We don't see the full fight, so you can't say anything about it. There are gaps in this fight we just do not see. Don't try to make this into a problem, there is no issue they fought it offscreen for awhile and when we saw it again they were able to defeat it.When is it stated the partial is inferior in durability to the full? Genuine question since Vernal just easily sliced it in half.
If that is the case, then that’s a large portion of my issues gone since we won’t have a one shot scaling chain as was proposed last time.
Leonardo was fully concentrated on fighting Oscar the entire time until he hid behind a pillar. Then he hit the Queen Lancer once, which led to Hazel hitting it, which killed it. From what we can see of the Queen Lancer, it dodged every single attack coming it’s way until Leonardo’s. So I can’t really put faith in the belief that they offscreen hurt it when on screen it dodges basically all other attacks.
If his Aura was down then ok. And I know about piercing damage, I’m not dumb.
I do find it to be a problem when the claim that they have hurt it before is completely unfounded. You’re assuming something offscreen happened for no reason at all. The Queen Lancer was easily dodging attacks until it got to Leonardo and screamed in his face, then proceeded to get two shot. That’s what happens on screen. Talking about what happens off screen is kinda important.We don't see the full fight, so you can't say anything about it. There are gaps in this fight we just do not see. Don't try to make this into a problem, there is no issue they fought it offscreen for awhile and when we saw it again they were able to defeat it.
Hazel needs to turn off his Aura to stab himself with the Dust crystals, he can't stab himself with his Aura up. He just didn't turn it back on when Weiss stabbed him because he was distracted by Blake's arrival and was watching the scene unfold.
How about we don't insult a show, especially in a thread that isn't about such a thing. I never said you were dumb, I was just informing about piercing damage as well as Aura being down.
Vernal stated it herself, stating that Weiss can't take the easy way out. And Weiss kept trying to summon it.
Weiss isn't stupid, she isn't going to summon something that'll just be one shotted. And Vernal herself would just one shot her.
Discuss that with Rusty"When is it stated the partial is inferior in durability to the full? Genuine question since Vernal just easily sliced it in half."
Never. It's never been stated ot demonstrated to be inferior in any way, even before the timeskip when weiss wasnt even able to fully summon it the arma gigas while just manifested ad an arm and a sword casually oneshot a paladin that could oneshot her.
"If his Aura was down then ok."
His aura was not down, on the contrary, his aura levels and ability to regenerate his own aura were so high that they couldnt reliably deal any permanent damage to him the entire fight. They could damage him but he just regenned.
"Jaune does not massively amp people, it’s just an amp."
Literally Jaune's entire semblance is amping people's aura and semblances significantly on top of their physical power.
"Except as Rusty just said, the Gigas wasn’t fully formed, so it should be comparable if not stronger than Vernal. And Hazel apparently didn’t one shot the Queen Lancer after Leonardo hit it, so he shouldn’t be above it either. So what is it?"
And again, nothing implies that its weaker just because it wasnt fully summoned as shown all the way back since volume 3. And he didnt oneshot it but he did kill it with a single attack after leo shot it once.