Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

[Antvasima]

What is being discussed here is just a largely symbolic ban, remember? Nobody is getting crucified.

 

[Chariot190]

What is being discussed here is just a largely symbolic ban, remember? Nobody is getting crucified.

Could we just not post the list of words on the forum/wiki itself so people simply know better? Maybe in a rule page?

 

[Planck69]

Honestly, a list should be made. I have no idea where in the world this word is a slur as opposed to a word on par with asshole at worst but if it somehow qualifies nowadays then a list should be made so people don't make this mistake again.

Seriously though, where is this is a slur?

 

[Armorchompy]

From what I understand, America and literally just America, and probably not all of it either.

 

[KingTempest]

and probably not all of it either.

Definitely not all of it. I understood it as a vulgar insult, but not a slur

 

[DaReaperMan]

Yep, there are plenty of special snowflakes here

 

[Planck69]

In any case, I'd prefer both to be warned as opposed to bans for either of them but I'm likely outvoted on this front. I'll just reiterate that a list of banned words should be posted somewhere to prevent this whole debacle from happening a second time.

 

[Armorchompy]

Yeah I really don't think any bans are necessary either.

 

[Newendigo]

There is a difference between pointing out someone's flaw in a common argument, and just straight up mocking/humilating/insulting them through jokes with the malicious intent of provoking an aggresive reaction from the guy.

If she didn't want to start a conflict, she would have been wise enough to keep things profesional, and not try to stir people thinking everyone would be able to tolerate it.

 

[AKM sama]

Can I just say, again, I wasn't even aware that this word in particular was actually considered that bad. Kinda hard to avoid saying a word that's allegedly super bad when there's no indication anywhere on site that it is super bad. Bad sure, maybe on par with something like "****" or "asshole" in my opinion, but that bad? There is simply no way I would have known without it being said anywhere on site, which it evidently isn't.

I can understand that. My stance of a ban was mainly to maintain standards. But I'm willing to make an exception in this particular case and settle for a strict warning. But this should definitely be clarified more in order to avoid confusion in the future.

From what I understand, America and literally just America, and probably not all of it either.

FANDOM is based in America, and they treat it as a slur, so unfortunately, we do as well. I personally have no problems with the word and some of my friends use it on a regular basis offsite.

 

[KingTempest]

I'm in America and I've never heard of it as a slur, it was just one of those profane insults.

If FANDOM sees it as a slur, damn

 

[Rikimarox2]

We should just give them a stern warning, since Chariot didn't know it was a slur, and I'm pretty sure most people didn't treat that word as a slur.

I assume you guys would post a list of the banned words in the future?

 

[Abstractions]

Being condescending and using a slur word are two different things. People get heated and say stuff like "don't use mental gymnastics" in almost every thread. This is not a banworthy offense. Warning-worthy, sure.

But the problem is that it wasn't simply telling him to stop using mental gymnastics, it was actively mocking him through a meme designed to mock an argument that should be relatively straightforward, as previewed by the top vs. bottom.

When this is said I feel it's not fully understanding its usage, and comparing it to simply saying the words is rather downplaying the intent behind it.

You could respectfully tell someone to "not use mental gymnastics" and articulate that in a not as offensive way through text, whereas the image isn't afforded that luxury because its just designed to be insulting.

An offense worth 5 points doesn't justify an offense worth 50 points in return.

It doesn't, but it makes the root of the offense feel more justifiable in that it wouldn't have been said had the instigator not deliberately egged it on. It isn't the same level of offense, but seeing as how plenty of people don't see the word as a slur as opposed to a generic insult, I believe the level is a bit exaggerated.

 

[BlackeJan]

I'm in America and I've never heard of it as a slur, it was just one of those profane insults.

If FANDOM sees it as a slur, damn

Its not lol. Its just people in this generation wanting to cry over small things and getting pissed over something thats not worth even getting mad about. Id argue that they are just following what everyone else is doing because its the norm

 

[Armorchompy]

let's not start with "wow these zoomer snowflakes are so easily offended i was born in le wrong generation", odds are if you walked into a street and yelled it the only people getting upset would be middle-aged

 

[BlackeJan]

let's not start with "wow these zoomer snowflakes are so easily offended i was born in le wrong generation", odds are if you walked into a street and yelled it the only people getting upset would be middle-aged

Meant people my age but ok I understand

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Yep, there are plenty of special snowflakes here

Kind of an unnecessary remark

 

[DaReaperMan]

Kind of an unnecessary remark

Agreed. Even if I do genuinely feel that way.

 

[Antvasima]

Look, as far as I am concerned, it has traditionally simply been a curse word, but apparently it is now considered to be a misogynistic slur by Fandom and likely by Silicon Valley and California as a whole. I agree with AKM that context matters though, so if it was not used in a bigoted manner, we should ignore the usage, and give a warning, in this case.

We unfortunately cannot write down a list of all the slur words that we automatically censor, as it isn't socially acceptable to mention some of them in any manner, Fandom would get mad at us, Google AdSense would not accept us as a subscriber, and our censor filter would automatically replace them with asterixes anyway.

 

[Planck69]

Then what do we do? We can't just have a bunch of banned words that nobody knows.

 

[Agnaa]

We can if the "banning" just means "when you type it it gets censored", as long as there's no punishment for typing one and it getting autocensored.

We'd still punish for bad behaviour involving those words, but we should punish for similar bad behaviour involving any words anyway.

There is the alternative that was used back when the list was only four words long. Giving each descriptions like "Slur starting with N targeted towards black people" "Slur starting with F targeted towards gay people" and the like, although this can highlight the absurdity of some of FANDOM's selections. like "Fetish starting with C used to insult male feminists", which somehow made the initial top 4 list of bannable words.

 

[Confluctor]

Take a picture of it or upload the list to a different site, which can then be linked in the rules section.

 

[Agnaa]

Take a picture of it or upload the list to a different site, which can then be linked in the rules section.

I'm not sure if that would be allowed. Didn't Iapitus get in trouble for linking to an image that contained a banned word? Although I don't quite remember if he uploaded that picture onto the wiki or not.

 

[Confluctor]

I mean I don't see why someone would get in trouble if it gets uploaded to a site like imgur... but i see, fair enough then.

 

[joshpiece]

Yes can a list please be made so people can know exactly what not to say?

Ik it’s not true but it gives off the impression that y’all are hiding something by not giving transparency on the list.

And for some of them I think you can just say something like”any variation of the N-Word” to get around actually saying it.

 

[Agnaa]

I think the autocensor on the wiki itself is publicly viewable, but I don't remember its URL. That should be near-identical to the one on the forum.

 

[joshpiece]

Dang then if somebody finds it could they please link it here I would like to view it

 

[Agnaa]

I looked into it, the general slur filter is private; only the Russian one is publically viewable.

 

[Metalballrun]

There should be a guideline for people to see which words are banned. I'm not a native English speaker so I'm not even sure what this C-word is, the C-word I know is the word Aussies use a lot.
And like, can you get in trouble if you share a media that contains those words? Because there might even be verses that have high levels of profanity that may contain banned words (like Amazon's The Boys for example).

 

[joshpiece]

I looked into it, the general slur filter is private; only the Russian one is publically viewable.

Ah thanks for looking into tho

 

[Antvasima]

The first c-word is used for a weak or servile man or one whose wife is sexually unfaithful, and the second is used as a crude slang for female genitalia.

 

[Antvasima]

I could probably make the wiki slur filter publicly viewable, but Fandom would not like that.

 

[Agnaa]

I could probably make the wiki slur filter publicly viewable, but Fandom would not like that.

Would it at least be worth asking them? They haven't raised a fuss about the Russian one being viewable.

 

[Antvasima]

They would likely not want such words to be publicly viewable at all.

 

[Confluctor]

That's a bit weird tho. Some words are pretty meaningless in some cultures, while in other cultures, it can be very offensive.

It would be good to know the standards of a big website/platform like FANDOM. After all, not everyone is from America.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I can ask, but they likely will not accept it.

 

[Metalballrun]

I feel like the C-words being considered as slurs is ridiculous but they are often used in really bad ways so I understand why some may feel the need to ban it, and FANDOM already imposed a rule on it so it doesn't really matter now unless you complain to the bigwigs directly.

A "[Banned Word]: [Description of said banned word in the safest yet most understandable way]" type of list might work though. It's all to avoid saying these words as not all people are aware and don't view this as that offensive.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Excuse me but have staff given speedster352 a warning regarding their behavior in this thread?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Excuse me but have staff given speedster352 a warning regarding their behavior in this thread?

I gave him a lil warning but I'm not a staff

 

[Bernkastelll]

Excuse me but have staff given speedster352 a warning regarding their behavior in this thread?

Speedster already was banned before due similar things, spite matches etc